Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

Padawanbater2

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Median income would soar by more than $22,000. Nearly 26 million jobs would be created. The unemployment rate would fall to 3.8%.

Those are just a few of the things that would happen if Bernie Sanders became president and his ambitious economic program were put into effect, according to an analysis given exclusively to CNNMoney. The first comprehensive look at the impact of all of Sanders' spending and tax proposals on the economy was done by Gerald Friedman, a University of Massachusetts Amherst economics professor.

This more sweeping analysis was not commissioned by the candidate, though Sanders' policy director called it "outstanding work." Friedman has worked with Sanders in the past, but has never received any compensation. The Vermont senator asked Friedman to estimate the cost of Sanders' Medicare-for-all plan -- which came out to $13.8 trillion over 10 years -- and included the analysis when he unveiled his proposal last month.

Friedman, who believes in democratic socialism like the candidate, found that if Sanders became president -- and was able to push his plan through Congress -- median household income would be $82,200 by 2026, far higher than the $59,300 projected by the Congressional Budget Office.

In addition, poverty would plummet to a record low 6%, as opposed to the CBO's forecast of 13.9%. The U.S. economy would grow by 5.3% per year, instead of 2.1%, and the nation's $1.3 trillion deficit would turn into a large surplus by Sanders' second term.

Other economists, however, feel that Friedman's analysis is overly optimistic, saying it would be difficult to achieve that level of economic prosperity. Last week, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget said Sanders' plan to pay for health care would fall short by at least $3 trillion.

Sanders' plan to pour $14.5 trillion into the economy -- including spending on infrastructure and youth employment, increasing Social Security benefits, making college free and expanding health care and family leave -- would juice GDP and productivity. (Friedman reduces the cost of Medicare-for-all to $10.7 trillion because he estimates the government would save $3.1 trillion by eliminating tax breaks for health insurance premiums.)

Also, Sanders would raise the minimum wage, as well as shift income from the rich to the middle and working class through tax hikes on the wealthy and corporations.

"Like the New Deal of the 1930s, Senator Sanders' program is designed to do more than merely increase economic activity," Friedman writes. It will "promote a more just prosperity, broadly-based with a narrowing of economy inequality."

Many presidential hopefuls say their economic programs would boost growth. Donald Trump and Jeb Bush justify their big tax cuts by saying GDP would grow at a 4% rate. But their plans have been panned by experts as overly optimistic.

Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.

The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.

"If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.

Sanders' policy director, Warren Gunnels, also defended the estimates, noting the candidate is thinking big.
"We haven't had such an ambitious agenda to rebuild the middle class since Presidents Roosevelt, Truman and Johnson," he said.

Still, some experts question whether the effects would be that large.

Stimulating demand can boost a weak economy during a recession, but "it's harder to accept as a long-run growth strategy," said William Gale, the former director of Brookings' Economic Studies Program.

Also, it would be very difficult to achieve and maintain an economic growth rate of 5.3% per year after inflation. That target hasn't been hit consistently since the 1960s, when technology was providing big advancements, the workforce was younger and there was increased demand for American products worldwide as other countries fully recovered from World War II.

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.html
 

cap master

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u know what I like saunders I would rather have him than some ass like jeb, trump or Clinton. cruise isn't too bad but I think if I was a registered voter I would vote for Bernie but I'm not and prolly never will be.
 

god1

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Median income would soar by more than $22,000. Nearly 26 million jobs would be created. The unemployment rate would fall to 3.8%.

Those are just a few of the things that would happen if Bernie Sanders became president and his ambitious economic program were put into effect, according to an analysis given exclusively to CNNMoney. The first comprehensive look at the impact of all of Sanders' spending and tax proposals on the economy was done by Gerald Friedman, a University of Massachusetts Amherst economics professor.

This more sweeping analysis was not commissioned by the candidate, though Sanders' policy director called it "outstanding work." Friedman has worked with Sanders in the past, but has never received any compensation. The Vermont senator asked Friedman to estimate the cost of Sanders' Medicare-for-all plan -- which came out to $13.8 trillion over 10 years -- and included the analysis when he unveiled his proposal last month.

Friedman, who believes in democratic socialism like the candidate, found that if Sanders became president -- and was able to push his plan through Congress -- median household income would be $82,200 by 2026, far higher than the $59,300 projected by the Congressional Budget Office.

In addition, poverty would plummet to a record low 6%, as opposed to the CBO's forecast of 13.9%. The U.S. economy would grow by 5.3% per year, instead of 2.1%, and the nation's $1.3 trillion deficit would turn into a large surplus by Sanders' second term.

Other economists, however, feel that Friedman's analysis is overly optimistic, saying it would be difficult to achieve that level of economic prosperity. Last week, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget said Sanders' plan to pay for health care would fall short by at least $3 trillion.

Sanders' plan to pour $14.5 trillion into the economy -- including spending on infrastructure and youth employment, increasing Social Security benefits, making college free and expanding health care and family leave -- would juice GDP and productivity. (Friedman reduces the cost of Medicare-for-all to $10.7 trillion because he estimates the government would save $3.1 trillion by eliminating tax breaks for health insurance premiums.)

Also, Sanders would raise the minimum wage, as well as shift income from the rich to the middle and working class through tax hikes on the wealthy and corporations.

"Like the New Deal of the 1930s, Senator Sanders' program is designed to do more than merely increase economic activity," Friedman writes. It will "promote a more just prosperity, broadly-based with a narrowing of economy inequality."

Many presidential hopefuls say their economic programs would boost growth. Donald Trump and Jeb Bush justify their big tax cuts by saying GDP would grow at a 4% rate. But their plans have been panned by experts as overly optimistic.

Friedman, however, argues that Sanders' plan would be more stimulative because it is pouring money into the economy, as opposed to cutting taxes. Several of Sanders' proposals -- such as spending $1 trillion on infrastructure -- will happen in the first few years of his administration.

The thinking goes: This enhanced government spending would increase demand on businesses, who would then hire more workers to meet their needs. The increase in employment will prompt people to buy more, leading other businesses to hire.

"If there is more spending, people will have more to do," Friedman said, noting that the share of the population with jobs could be restored to its 1999 level of more than 64%, up from its current 59.6% rate.

Sanders' policy director, Warren Gunnels, also defended the estimates, noting the candidate is thinking big.
"We haven't had such an ambitious agenda to rebuild the middle class since Presidents Roosevelt, Truman and Johnson," he said.

Still, some experts question whether the effects would be that large.

Stimulating demand can boost a weak economy during a recession, but "it's harder to accept as a long-run growth strategy," said William Gale, the former director of Brookings' Economic Studies Program.

Also, it would be very difficult to achieve and maintain an economic growth rate of 5.3% per year after inflation. That target hasn't been hit consistently since the 1960s, when technology was providing big advancements, the workforce was younger and there was increased demand for American products worldwide as other countries fully recovered from World War II.

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/index.html

Who the hell is going to pay a bunch of lazy ass unskilled shit scrubbers any more than they're paid now?

Bernie needs a thriving capitalistic society to support free stuff guys. So what comes first the free stuff or a soaring GPD?

Given your belief in Bernie's vision, how will you specifically benefit from a Sanders presidency and how long will those expectations take to materialize?
 

pnwmystery

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Who the hell is going to pay a bunch of lazy ass unskilled shit scrubbers any more than they're paid now?

Bernie needs a thriving capitalistic society to support free stuff guys. So what comes first the free stuff or a soaring GPD?

Given your belief in Bernie's vision, how will you specifically benefit from a Sanders presidency and how long will those expectations take to materialize?
Did you not read the entire thing? 3 paragraphs down.

"median household income would be $82,200 by 2026, far higher than the $59,300 projected by the Congressional Budget Office."
 

MuyLocoNC

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The only claim I actually read in the tldr wall 'o text, was surprisingly believable. The 3.8% unemployment rate. There is little reason to doubt enough people will lose their jobs and remain unemployed long enough to not be counted in the unemployment rate. Voilà, mission accomplished!
 

NLXSK1

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"Still, some experts question whether the effects would be that large.

Stimulating demand can boost a weak economy during a recession, but "it's harder to accept as a long-run growth strategy," said William Gale, the former director of Brookings' Economic Studies Program.

Also, it would be very difficult to achieve and maintain an economic growth rate of 5.3% per year after inflation. That target hasn't been hit consistently since the 1960s, when technology was providing big advancements, the workforce was younger and there was increased demand for American products worldwide as other countries fully recovered from World War II.

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank."

So, a friend of Col. Sanders cooked the financial books and made Sanders plan look like a magic miracle... Of course, it would take a miracle for the economy to grow at that rate.

Didnt we just dump 2 trillion dollars into the economy for 'Infrastructure' after Obama got elected? How is that workin' out for us? Oh yeah, we owe 2 trillion more and there was no sign of help to the economy...

At least Padwan delivers consistently!!
 

NLXSK1

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Did you not read the entire thing? 3 paragraphs down.

"median household income would be $82,200 by 2026, far higher than the $59,300 projected by the Congressional Budget Office."
Did you continue reading at that point or did you shoot your load and close the link?

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank."
 

MuyLocoNC

Well-Known Member
"Still, some experts question whether the effects would be that large.

Stimulating demand can boost a weak economy during a recession, but "it's harder to accept as a long-run growth strategy," said William Gale, the former director of Brookings' Economic Studies Program.

Also, it would be very difficult to achieve and maintain an economic growth rate of 5.3% per year after inflation. That target hasn't been hit consistently since the 1960s, when technology was providing big advancements, the workforce was younger and there was increased demand for American products worldwide as other countries fully recovered from World War II.

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank."

So, a friend of Col. Sanders cooked the financial books and made Sanders plan look like a magic miracle... Of course, it would take a miracle for the economy to grow at that rate.

Didnt we just dump 2 trillion dollars into the economy for 'Infrastructure' after Obama got elected? How is that workin' out for us? Oh yeah, we owe 2 trillion more and there was no sign of help to the economy...

At least Padwan delivers consistently!!
And they still howl about all the infrastructure spending we need to do to stimulate the economy. $30 trillion, here we come.
 

schuylaar

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The only claim I actually read in the tldr wall 'o text, was surprisingly believable. The 3.8% unemployment rate. There is little reason to doubt enough people will lose their jobs and remain unemployed long enough to not be counted in the unemployment rate. Voilà, mission accomplished!
you want solution but your claim is tldr?..you're part of the reason why..lazy..lazy..lazy..can't be bothered to educate himself other than relying on nonfactual WOM, platitudes and memes.
 

schuylaar

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Did you continue reading at that point or did you shoot your load and close the link?

"The 5.3% number is a fantasy," said Jim Kessler, senior vice president at Third Way, a centrist think tank."
what is fantasy is thinking that anything is going to be any different by electing anyone other than sanders..even mr I'm not establishment trump stinker plan is a filled to the brim with tax cuts unfunded.

stop being so fucking lazy at least for your children grandchildren and generations thereafter.
 

MuyLocoNC

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you want solution but your claim is tldr?..you're part of the reason why..lazy..lazy..lazy..can't be bothered to educate himself other than relying on nonfactual WOM, platitudes and memes.
The reason I don't need to read it is because I know, with absolute certainty, that we need to cut the Federal government in half. We need to phase out ALL the unconstitutional social safety net programs and cut all non-essential programs and pork, until we are well on our way to eliminating the debt and unfunded liabilities.

If it doesn't say "balanced budget" in the first sentence, then I already know it's starting off in the wrong direction.
 

NLXSK1

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what is fantasy is thinking that anything is going to be any different by electing anyone other than sanders..even mr I'm not establishment trump stinker plan is a filled to the brim with tax cuts unfunded.

stop being so fucking lazy at least for your children grandchildren and generations thereafter.
I am working my ass off. You are the one declaring that you are on government assistance.

Sanders numbers are pie in the fucking sky... You dont raise massive taxes on the wealthy and see GDP growth skyrocket. It is FANTASY just like explained in the article. We havent seen growth like that since the 60's.

Why dont you stop being so fucking lazy? Maybe if you did that you wouldnt have to worry about hand outs from the government....
 

ChesusRice

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Didnt we just dump 2 trillion dollars into the economy for 'Infrastructure' after Obama got elected? How is that workin' out for us? Oh yeah, we owe 2 trillion more and there was no sign of help to the economy...

At least Padwan delivers consistently!!
No
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
it was a lot less and most of it came back with interest
What was our debt then and what is our debt now?

Ok, so it came back and got thrown in that bottomless hole that is the government budget along with trillions of other dollars worth of IOU's that SOMEBODY is going to have to pay back. And that somebody is our kids and grandkids. But lots of people here dont give a fuck about that because they are too busy calling other people greedy... LO FUCKING L...
 
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