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Drugs Taught Me Metric!
So , as I was finishing up a bowl, I starting thinking about how people/studies say Soil pH should be around 6.8 while Hydro should be 5.8.
That got me wondering WHY soil changes the level at which a plant uptakes nutrients differently.
Since pH is the "potential for Hydrogen" (ratio of acid to base particles), based off what I see, it must mean- The more Hydrogen available, the lower number on the pH scale. Since water is H20, H for the hydrogen, it seems that when you fill your pot with soil, your not using AS MUCH water, so your pH rises due to not AS MUCH Hydrogen being available. Or your soil just has a lesser value of hydrogen available..... My interpretation anyway.
From what I can figure out and tell, the above statement may be correct. With that said, Since Hydrogen is the "Acid" to pretty much anything... When you test your pH, you are measuring the balance between Hydrogen particles to "bases". The lower your pH is than 7 (neutral), the more acidic your soil is. The pH scale is in multiples of 10 so a pH of 5 has 10x more Hydrogen (acidic particles) than a pH of 6. A pH of 4 has 100x (10 x 10) more "Acidic" (hydrogen) particles than a pH of 6. That should paint a pretty picture.
Now to my next thought which is where all this bullshit might start to make sense and get interesting. Hydroponics have been known to produce quicker and with larger yield than soil. IF Hydro growers are pH to 5.8 and Soil growers to 6.8, that means us Hydro growers have 10x more Hydrogen than soil growers. Plants use a number of things to grow however 3 of the MAIN "things" are Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. The plants use these to manufacture starches and sugars. This makes me ask, Co2 is supplemented and we all know that increases growth like no1's biz... We supplement Oxygen to support healthy roots (in turn increasing growth)... Now, what about Hydrogen? Hydrogen is present in almost all carbon compounds that make up most plant material including enzymes, DNA, RNA, chlorophyll, fats, secondary compounds, and carbohydrates, such as cellulose and sucrose.
So why aren't we supplementing Hydrogen as well? Good question because IF my theory is correct, we have been missing out!
Theory:
Plants seem to like a BALANCE. There can't be TOO much Co2, There can't be TOO much Nitrogen, Phosphorus, or Potassium, There has to be enough Oxygen (in correlation with the amount of Hydrogen "part of my theory"). I think the limiting factors may be associated with the availability of Hydrogen, as long as you BALANCE the Hydrogen (acid) with enough base, N-P-K, Co2, o2, blah blah.. the whole number.
A plants main goal is to grow and really has no Genetic pre-determined height.. I mean you can VEG weed for a long ass time right? With that said and a plants simplicity, it seems provided balanced Hydrogen, base, Nutes, Co2, Oxygen the plant would attempt to adapt to the abundance of everything and STRIVE rather than stress and die... Hydrogen is one of the last elements to complete a Beyond-PERFECT environment that I have yet to read anyone supplementing.
Earlier I mentioned Hydro users have about 10x more Hydrogen available than soil users, in result could be a possibility to why Hydro grows a little quicker and larger. In-case this was not clear, my theory pretty much explains this happens because 10x MORE Hydrogen cells are available to bind with other nutrients to make the plants compounds. Makes sense when Hydrogen is part of almost all plant material compounds...
Possible Solution for HYDRO
When Gas prices hit crazy prices, everyone started making these DIY hydrogen fuel cells and putting plans up online. There extremely easy to make and one could make a hell of one out of house hold current. Using a similar method with a regulator on it (to get a consistent feed to balance everything else), lead the extracted Hydrogen through a tube, in your Res. RIGHT next to your air stone. I am pretty sure the Hydrogen will combine with the Oxygen and form a higher Hydrogen content in your Res. Balance this out with a little more base but be sure to pH the water before adding any Up or Down or Nutes. If your pH is 4.8, your plant should be able to take up 100x, pH=3.8 - 1000x more nutes than soil. I'm not sure if this works, it is just what I hope to test out soon. I'm not sure if there is a limit or anything at all really. I do think that supplementing Co2 will help this effect even more.
I hope this attracts serious people as I some what think I may be on to something. Please don't thread shit with "it wont work" or any other jackass remarks unless you have info to back it up. I've posted a lot of information, most of which I have researched myself so it should be pretty accurate. I welcome any correction/suggestions/ideas/comments because I really do think SOME kind of Hydrogen supplementation would help and I am sure there are others who will after reading this. Lets gets some experiments rolling! Damn I hope I'm right on this.
That got me wondering WHY soil changes the level at which a plant uptakes nutrients differently.
Since pH is the "potential for Hydrogen" (ratio of acid to base particles), based off what I see, it must mean- The more Hydrogen available, the lower number on the pH scale. Since water is H20, H for the hydrogen, it seems that when you fill your pot with soil, your not using AS MUCH water, so your pH rises due to not AS MUCH Hydrogen being available. Or your soil just has a lesser value of hydrogen available..... My interpretation anyway.
From what I can figure out and tell, the above statement may be correct. With that said, Since Hydrogen is the "Acid" to pretty much anything... When you test your pH, you are measuring the balance between Hydrogen particles to "bases". The lower your pH is than 7 (neutral), the more acidic your soil is. The pH scale is in multiples of 10 so a pH of 5 has 10x more Hydrogen (acidic particles) than a pH of 6. A pH of 4 has 100x (10 x 10) more "Acidic" (hydrogen) particles than a pH of 6. That should paint a pretty picture.
Now to my next thought which is where all this bullshit might start to make sense and get interesting. Hydroponics have been known to produce quicker and with larger yield than soil. IF Hydro growers are pH to 5.8 and Soil growers to 6.8, that means us Hydro growers have 10x more Hydrogen than soil growers. Plants use a number of things to grow however 3 of the MAIN "things" are Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. The plants use these to manufacture starches and sugars. This makes me ask, Co2 is supplemented and we all know that increases growth like no1's biz... We supplement Oxygen to support healthy roots (in turn increasing growth)... Now, what about Hydrogen? Hydrogen is present in almost all carbon compounds that make up most plant material including enzymes, DNA, RNA, chlorophyll, fats, secondary compounds, and carbohydrates, such as cellulose and sucrose.
So why aren't we supplementing Hydrogen as well? Good question because IF my theory is correct, we have been missing out!
Theory:
Plants seem to like a BALANCE. There can't be TOO much Co2, There can't be TOO much Nitrogen, Phosphorus, or Potassium, There has to be enough Oxygen (in correlation with the amount of Hydrogen "part of my theory"). I think the limiting factors may be associated with the availability of Hydrogen, as long as you BALANCE the Hydrogen (acid) with enough base, N-P-K, Co2, o2, blah blah.. the whole number.
A plants main goal is to grow and really has no Genetic pre-determined height.. I mean you can VEG weed for a long ass time right? With that said and a plants simplicity, it seems provided balanced Hydrogen, base, Nutes, Co2, Oxygen the plant would attempt to adapt to the abundance of everything and STRIVE rather than stress and die... Hydrogen is one of the last elements to complete a Beyond-PERFECT environment that I have yet to read anyone supplementing.
Earlier I mentioned Hydro users have about 10x more Hydrogen available than soil users, in result could be a possibility to why Hydro grows a little quicker and larger. In-case this was not clear, my theory pretty much explains this happens because 10x MORE Hydrogen cells are available to bind with other nutrients to make the plants compounds. Makes sense when Hydrogen is part of almost all plant material compounds...
Possible Solution for HYDRO
When Gas prices hit crazy prices, everyone started making these DIY hydrogen fuel cells and putting plans up online. There extremely easy to make and one could make a hell of one out of house hold current. Using a similar method with a regulator on it (to get a consistent feed to balance everything else), lead the extracted Hydrogen through a tube, in your Res. RIGHT next to your air stone. I am pretty sure the Hydrogen will combine with the Oxygen and form a higher Hydrogen content in your Res. Balance this out with a little more base but be sure to pH the water before adding any Up or Down or Nutes. If your pH is 4.8, your plant should be able to take up 100x, pH=3.8 - 1000x more nutes than soil. I'm not sure if this works, it is just what I hope to test out soon. I'm not sure if there is a limit or anything at all really. I do think that supplementing Co2 will help this effect even more.
I hope this attracts serious people as I some what think I may be on to something. Please don't thread shit with "it wont work" or any other jackass remarks unless you have info to back it up. I've posted a lot of information, most of which I have researched myself so it should be pretty accurate. I welcome any correction/suggestions/ideas/comments because I really do think SOME kind of Hydrogen supplementation would help and I am sure there are others who will after reading this. Lets gets some experiments rolling! Damn I hope I'm right on this.
lol idk, more so in yours, Hydrogen could still be a limiting factor. 
