USA move closer to equality in wages

What will increasing the minimum accompish?

  • Make a lot of workers very happy, and boost the economy

  • Cost jobs and drive businesses into bankruptcy

  • Nothing

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Rrog

Rrog

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ThickStemz said:
Rich and poor is relative. Which of the following are richer? Two men both have a 600k salary. One lives in a small town where he has the highest salary. The other in the city down the road where lots of people make over one million.

Likewise, poor is only judged by the bottom. If you go from making twice the lowest legal wage to just over the lowest legal wage, you're effectively getting a pay decrease.
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What is the point being made here? The first part of your post is irrelevant when discussing purchasing power. The second point says " if your wages drop, you're effectively getting a pay decrease." My gosh that's profound.
 
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ThickStemz

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Rrog said:
What is the point being made here? The first part of your post is irrelevant when discussing purchasing power. The second point says " if your wages drop, you're effectively getting a pay decrease." My gosh that's profound.
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The first part is just an example of how wealth is relative, being rich or poor depends greatly on how you stack up to those around you.

It's not absolute it's relative.

But in a 15/hour minimum the 18/hour worker isn't having his wages dropped. He or she is being hurled back down to the bottom.
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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Jimdamick said:
All I have seen of that "truly free market" which doesn't exist by the way in real terms today in my opinion,, is greed and exploitation. But that's what capitalism is all about, right?
Let's move all the jobs out of low wage areas, into lower wage areas, like that COMMUNIST pos named China. There's your truly free market, lets fuck the workers there also. That is Capitalism today, it doesn't care who it fucks, as long as it is exploiting someone, and the one doing the exploiting becomes a billionaire, because that is what drives the engine, right? Success or failure, like Detroit, right? Pure Capitalism is a fucking myth, because it was designed to benefit the community it served, which has been laid to the wayside. all it does now is to make a few very rich, and the rest, tough shit, you lose. That's why this country is falling apart, because Capitalism, as practiced today in the US is designed for one winner, and a shit load of losers, as evidenced today in the dear old USA.
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The trickle down effect!

people are seen as stupid and dependent
clever rich people make jobs
poor people need rich people to make jobs for stupid poor people so they can become enslaved by loans/debt/interest
like dogs that feed off the scraps/crumbs dropped by their masters

with so many people in the world willing/having to work for next to nothing, human resource is very cheap and expendable
 
bearkat42

bearkat42

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ThickStemz said:
But in a 15/hour minimum the 18/hour worker isn't having his wages dropped. He or she is being hurled back down to the bottom.
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There it is. Which is what I've been saying in here the whole time The only logical reason for people to oppose the $15/hour living wage is simply the fact that those who make that now will no longer have anyone to feel superior to.

bearkat42 said:
"Flipping burgers" seems to be the default occupation to disparage of those who oppose a living wage. I often wonder if those who oppose are really just bothered by the fact that those "flipping burgers" will suddenly be making as much money as them. Why else would it bother you?
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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skunkd0c said:
The trickle down effect!

people are seen as stupid and dependent
clever rich people make jobs
poor people need rich people to make jobs for stupid poor people so they can become enslaved by loans/debt/interest
like dogs that feed off the scraps/crumbs dropped by their masters

with so many people in the world willing/having to work for next to nothing, human resource is very cheap and expendable
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speaking of making people work for nothing for their masters, didn't your family own a whole bunch of slaves?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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bearkat42 said:
There it is. Which is what I've been saying in here the whole time The only logical reason for people to oppose the $15/hour living wage is simply the fact that those who make that now will no longer have anyone to feel superior to.
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bignbushy worked his way up from heroin addict who steals from his parents, to subway sandwich engineer, and now all the way up to timeshare telemarketer.

a min wage increase would put him right back at the very bottom.

you nailed it.
 
bearkat42

bearkat42

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UncleBuck said:
bignbushy worked his way up from heroin addict who steals from his parents, to subway sandwich engineer, and now all the way up to timeshare telemarketer.

a min wage increase would put him right back at the very bottom.

you nailed it.
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I figured as much. Now he can go back to Subway with his head held high.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Jimdamick said:
.California and New York acted Monday to gradually push their statewide minimum wages to $15 an hour, the highest in the nation as Hillary Clinton and that soon to be vanquished Bernie Sanders again seized on wage disparity and the plight of the working poor in their fight for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Clinton joined New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at a rally in Manhattan as he signed the law that will gradually boost that state's pay rate. The former first lady, and soon to be President, predicted the movement will "sweep our country."

Sanders, the loser that he is, (but nice guy) said in a statement that his campaign is about building on the steps in California and New York "so that everyone in this country can enjoy the dignity and basic economic security that comes from a living wage."

The new laws in California and New York mark the most ambitious moves yet by legislatures to close the national divide between rich and poor. Experts say other states may follow, given Congress' reluctance to act despite entreaties from President Barack Obama.

So, we will soon see all the business owners puking apparently,, because they will actually have to fork over some cash to their barely above poverty level workers. Oh shit, they might actually have to put off buying their new Lexus, or second vacation home, and do something right, Too fucking bad I say, let's see some REAL trickle down economics, instead of them simple pissing on the heads of their workers.

Nice
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It has always been the same, only the numbers are different. When people have more money, the cost of living goes up.

Take cigarettes, back when minimum wages was 3.75, in the 70`s, cigarettes were .75 cents. People make more money now, the companies paying off lawsuits and a pack of cigarettes in Boston is almost 11 dollars.

The day companies eat their money so you can have more,.... will never come.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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OddBall1st said:
It has always been the same, only the numbers are different. When people have more money, the cost of living goes up.

Take cigarettes, back when minimum wages was 3.75, in the 70`s, cigarettes were .75 cents. People make more money now, the companies paying off lawsuits and a pack of cigarettes in Boston is almost 11 dollars.

The day companies eat their money so you can have more,.... will never come.
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a dozen eggs, august 1988: $0.909
a dozen eggs, august 2011: $1.711

+88%

gallon of milk, august 1995: $2.482
gallon of milk, august 2013: $3.448

+39%

bananas, june 1988: $0.501
bananas, june 2012: $0.605

+21%

coffee, march 1988: $2.634
coffee, march 2010: $3.565

+35%

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap



all of this while the min wage went from $3.35 to $7.25, meaning it more than doubled (+116%).
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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UncleBuck said:
a dozen eggs, august 1988: $0.909
a dozen eggs, august 2011: $1.711

+88%

gallon of milk, august 1995: $2.482
gallon of milk, august 2013: $3.448

+39%

bananas, june 1988: $0.501
bananas, june 2012: $0.605

+21%

coffee, march 1988: $2.634
coffee, march 2010: $3.565

+35%

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap



all of this while the min wage went from $3.35 to $7.25, meaning it more than doubled (+116%).
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You`re not knowing retail strategy, if you want more for coffee, you mark up something else and put coffee on sale.
Non of what you posted went down. It never will.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Jimdamick said:
All I have seen of that "truly free market" which doesn't exist by the way in real terms today in my opinion,, is greed and exploitation. But that's what capitalism is all about, right?
Let's move all the jobs out of low wage areas, into lower wage areas, like that COMMUNIST pos named China. There's your truly free market, lets fuck the workers there also. That is Capitalism today, it doesn't care who it fucks, as long as it is exploiting someone, and the one doing the exploiting becomes a billionaire, because that is what drives the engine, right? Success or failure, like Detroit, right? Pure Capitalism is a fucking myth, because it was designed to benefit the community it served, which has been laid to the wayside. all it does now is to make a few very rich, and the rest, tough shit, you lose. That's why this country is falling apart, because Capitalism, as practiced today in the US is designed for one winner, and a shit load of losers, as evidenced today in the dear old USA.
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You are combining two distinct and separate things as if they were the same thing.

A truly free market ISN'T a crony capitalist market. By all means blast away at THAT market, since it is a CONTROLLED market, designed to protect some and condemn others.

Repeat, A truly free market ISN'T a crony capitalist market.

A crony capitalist market (the one that exists today) uses government regulation, licensure etc, to favor one group over another.

A truly free market almost exists in the "illegal drug trade" but the presence of government prohibitions skews the pricing and limits the potential supply...

The reason a country fails is, the concept of an imposed hierarchy is flawed from the beginning, since it relies upon improper means, Using improper means and expecting success is like shitting on the floor, then flushing the toilet and wondering why the turd keeps staring up at you from the floor.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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757growin said:
That's coming either way... so give folks a raise
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It would be better to remove the inherent force baked into the present crony system.

That would mean tear down the legislative barriers for some people to be able to open their own business and become their own masters.



Your plan advocates for better treatment of the wage slaves. Mine advocates for the abolition of the slavery itself.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
It would be better to remove the inherent force baked into the present crony system.

That would mean tear down the legislative barriers for some people to be able to open their own business and become their own masters.



Your plan advocates for better treatment of the wage slaves. Mine advocates for the abolition of the slavery itself.
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please tell me who is not allowed to open up a business right now.
 
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