using air from a crawl space.

WeeGogs

Active Member
crawl spaces were designed to stop C02 and other potentially harmful gases leaking from the ground under your home and escaping in to your home.
S.B.S ( Sick Building Syndrome )
if C02 gas gets too high in a room it can cause suffocation, the C02 itself is harmless but it concentrates itself and replenishes the air so you would suffocate in your sleep as the air gets thin.

houses that are built on farmland are more at risk from the C02 gas, from vegetation that was planted in the ground for centuries before .
how your crawl space works is it has vents in the sides under floor level that allow air circulation and C02 to escape.

i do not know how it works anywhere else but in the uk now we do not use a crawlspace.

we build a foundation deep in the ground with vents just above finished ground level, and then fill it with a small sharp stone and dust mixture (cheap) and this gets whacked down with a heavy vibrating plate.
we then put 2-3 inches of sand on top to stop the sharp stones puncturing the plastic (gas/damp proof membrane).

we build a wooden shutter 8" high around the foundation.
we lay a thick plastic sheet of gas proof membrane and damp proofing course on top of the sand and cut the plastic around any drains or cables etc that were laid and are sticking up through it, and hang it over the 4 outside walls of the foundation which are protruding from the ground, we tape around any drains or cables etc that are sticking up through the plastic and seal it.
we then put a polystyrene insulation ( 2" to 6" thick depending on the plans) on top of the gas/damp proof (course) membrane plastic sheet and cover the entire house, we lay a sheet of cross section steel about 10mm thick with 10" squares across the whole floor and raise it with small concrete feet about 3 inches, we then pour a 50 slump concrete over it to 8 inches and dip a vibrating poker in to it to remove any excess air bubbles that could cause cracking later, we then polish the concrete with a concrete polisher the next day, we now have a sealed floor.
the bricklayer comes in next and lays a course of brick on top of the concrete edge and builds his walls, the C02 gas is now totally sealed under the concrete damp/gas proof membrane.

once the house has been built and completed, an inspector will come on to the property and check the inside of the house (occupied or not) after 6 months with a gas analyzer, and if the house is above the recommended levels it will be demolished and rebuilt.
(back handers of cash could be accepted by the inspector at this point).

so it has to be done professionally the first time, you do not want any cowboy builders trying to save money during this section of the work.
a proper thick dpc or gas proof membrane can be very expensive so a cheaper plastic damp proof could be used.

now your airspan is the same, except you may have a higher C02 content that you can use for your plants, and they will thrive, how it affects the rest of your home is up to you to check.

you can hire or buy a C02 analyzer and check the inside of your home yourself after you have did your work.

how do i know this?

i have been in the building trade for 30 years on and off.
i used C02 as the gas to stop you getting frightened.

I MUST STRESS THAT C02 BEING THE MOST COMMON THERE ARE MORE POISONOUS GASES LIKE METHANE ETC.

they get a lot of S.B.S. in the usa as building control was not as strict as in the uk years ago, and some buildings would then need to have huge air conditioning systems built in to deal with the SBS, but the air conditioning system can make it even worse.
the usa authorities try to blame the gasses on the building materials, that makes me laugh.


I suggest anybody that wants to use a crawl space read about S.B.S on wikipedia or somewhere.

it could lengthen your life.

have you never wondered why one man dies at fifty but his brother lives until he is 90.
 

dylan843

Well-Known Member
This is mad old but I found it on google...

All that you need to do it run ducting for the intake to the outside, make a hole in the underground foundation then seal it back up.

Its probably a good idea to attach the exhaust to the housing duct so any trace smells after carbon and the heat and ir get distributed thruout your house.

As long as you wear a mask going in and out and have the room ( and the door) airtight you or any of the grow won't be exposed to any of that. Besides you entering and leaving, hold your breath and crawl fast to the door!

This interested me because I am going to do this, digging the floor down to about 5-6 feet so I can make it a 8ft high grow room. Concrete floor, walls, and roof solid concrete so its airtight, besides section of the concrete bricks used for the walls left open with great support to put in a doorway. I'm still thinking on how I can do this making the door airtight.

The room will be divided into one room for flower and one for veg with a small light (but not air) proof doorway which adds support. Most the wirght will be resting on he tops of the cc blocks. But even so theRoom will have steel beams, and a strong wooden foundation in the open parts of roof to support the pour and provude additonal support afterwords.

Crawlspace is perfect location if you live with somekne u done want to know about you growing provuded they don't keep shit under there. Usually a lot of collums so do it in the opposite corner from the doorway. And make sure to coat everything with ir blocker! I'm gunna add insulation to help with temps too.
 

jijiandfarmgang

Well-Known Member
I pretty much call BS. Or extreme over-exaggeration. I know what SBS is.

I have a couple co2 meters I might even get around to putting one in my attic to prove this wrong.

Seriously, how can a well ventilated attic soffit and ridge, have more co2 than the active living space of a house?

Wear a mask in a grow, is this a meth lab or indoor garden LOL????
 

ProdigalSun

Well-Known Member
I'm puling air from the crawlspace, but it's a trailer too, so completely different. The only thing I worry about is pumping some mold into the room inadvertently. Every once in a while, I'll find a mosquito enjoying the last few seconds of its life in the growroom.
 

Sand4x105

Well-Known Member
drinking is dangerous, the bubbles contain CO2, and if you are in a pub and they serve too many drinks at once, you can suffocate and die.
I know-I know, you hear about people dying all the time in pubs from co2 poisoning.....
Right..................right...............

OP, so what you are saying, that if you want to grow in a environment friendly to your plants health and rich in co2 you should grow in a crawl space or basement?
Thanks for the info!
 

AimAim

Well-Known Member
drinking is dangerous, the bubbles contain CO2, and if you are in a pub and they serve too many drinks at once, you can suffocate and die.
I've heard that many times. So in a pub I try to sit with the scotch drinkers (rocks, no bubbly soda water) and only drink ales while I'm driving with the window down.
 
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