Veg and Bloom Grow
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Lucius Vorenus
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So Cuebossa = The guy who owns Veg & Bloom correct?
PetFlora
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I doubt he has the time to post. I had great success using it last grow.
New V+B has more Si + Fulvic Acid, but not shown on label
I emailed to ask about mixing my remaining V+B with the V+B+Fulvic. Was told Fulvic is for ~ 5 weeks into veg- harvest.
Begs the question Shouldn't there be 2 formulas?
New V+B has more Si + Fulvic Acid, but not shown on label
I emailed to ask about mixing my remaining V+B with the V+B+Fulvic. Was told Fulvic is for ~ 5 weeks into veg- harvest.
Begs the question Shouldn't there be 2 formulas?
Cuebossa
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Sorry to disappoint you Lucius but I am not the owner nor do I work for Hydroponic Research. I'm merely an end user providing data on a product that , in a sea of incomplete formulas, exceeded my expectations. Maybe give Veg+Bloom a try in one of the mentioned planting mediums in my thread? If you follow my EC recommendations through this thread you will obtain the results I have. I wish more end users would provide the kind of data I have it would make RIU a much more productive and positive community. Anyhow, I will continue to post my findings for anyone interested. Thanks for checking out my thread!
Dalek Supreme
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I E-mailed HR a sample request.They responded they are sending me a sample.I will see how it stacks against Maxibloom and friends.
Lucius Vorenus
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I just got a sample as well. It's a bit pricey and way more pricey than Maxibloom and Protekt but I hate how much Ph down you have to use with Protekt so we shall see.
Dalek Supreme
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Hey Lucius what dosage per gal and what is your lighting with Pro-Tekt and Maxibloom?What strain aswell?
I am just asking cause with for me at around 400 watts,3/4th tsp(5g)Maxibloom,.5ml Protekt per gal tap(7.8ph) my nute mix is 6ph.
I let the strength of Maxibloom dosage determine how much Pro-Tekt I use,and any additive.At .5ml of the Tekt I see the right amount of sillicon benefits I need for my setup.Trimming gives an ok pair of scissors trouble,and have to use diagonal pliers to cut the bottom main stem for harvest.This is passive hydro in 220z cups for a slightly Sat dom hybrid.
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=6427
I want to do a modified side by side were I take out 1/4 tsp of Maxibloom and substitute Veg+Bloom starting around 1/8th tsp.The V+G has too much N for my taste/setup but if it performs in conjunction with my nute regimen,then I do not mind an extra step in an allready simple process.
Lucius Vorenus
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Maxibloom drops PH a lot so it's probably perfect with the Protekt. I currently use Botanicare but I'll probably be ditching it soon. I think Ita overrated. I also just prefer dry powders. I used Maxibloom before using Botanicare and the Maxi it blew it away.
squarepush3r
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IMO, veg + bloom is a great formula, but yes they really need more than 1 product, its a nice marketing catch to have an "all in one product" but in reality its not the truth, you could arguable use 4 different formulas, or at least 2 different bases, then early flowering, mid flowering, and late flowering could use slightly different ratios. This is normally accomplished with blooming nutrient base + boosters applied at different times throughout bloom. At the minimum, 2 formulas (veg and bloom) should be available, not to mention hard water (for those who need it). Also, the all in one product concept has weaknesses to with the added carbohydrates/sugars I believe veg + bloom has, can hurt some grows especially DWC/RDWC and aeroponics (any grow where sterile environment is beneficial to prevent root issues/pathogens).
From the website
It seems to be missing a ton of micronutrients/trace elements for a complete formula, also it claims to have a ton of things like silicia (why no guaranteed analysis?), amino acids, carbohydrates, fulvics, etc... but can't be found on the label. Are they really included, why aren't they listed? Even Advanced Nutrients which is a shady company lists their amino acids and fulvics and silica.
Anyways, I think veg + bloom is a very good product and the pictures shown in this thread of V+B are quite impressive and delicious. Just giving a bit of analysis and critical opinion of the matter.
Cuebossa
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It works as advertised for me. I use it by itself all the way from rooted cutting to finished flower. It's simplicity is why I am promoting it. It has allowed me to succeed in not only producing higher quality flowers but an abundance of them. If I can help others succeed by recommending a product, I will.
Ocean Forest vs. Promix. The Ocean Forest on the right is much darker and appears to be heavier setting flowers. I'm really liking the performance of the Ocean Forest at this point.
Ocean Forest vs. Promix. The Ocean Forest on the right is much darker and appears to be heavier setting flowers. I'm really liking the performance of the Ocean Forest at this point.
i ordered a 1 pounder, was here real quick and i really liked what i saw so i ordered some more. their feeding ppms are in line with what i feed my plants and their ratios (low phosphorus) have me kind of exited! the larrys are getting this from start to finish, oh yeah.
Cuebossa
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It goes a long way. I am finding that needed EC will vary depending on what you are growing in. These two are both being fed 1.3-1.5 EC and the Ocean Forest(on right) is looking much greener and possibly in need of a flush. I will probably need to up the EC on the PROMIX plant(on left) to get it a little bit greener. I don't pH my water.
i didn't get charged for shipping either. there was also an information card with my order stating "contains silica, fulvic acids and aminos" i'm stoked. i've gotten great results with just maxi and tap period, but always felt there was way too much phosphorus in it, let alone half the trace elements this stuff (veg&bloom) is supposed to have.
Lucius Vorenus
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Far from it. Maybe if you have never been to Phoenix
Cuebossa
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Promix on the left, Ocean Forest on the right. I started a light flush on the Ocean Forest and increased the feed strength on the Promix. These are truly very different products. I'm amazed at how different the two look and they are clones. Promix might out yield the Ocean Forest but the ocean forest seems to have more intense trichome production.
homebrewer
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Are you mixing those plant food measurements in a gallon of RO? If that's the case and if your numbers are correct, there are several liquid plants foods that are cheaper than this dry food. Usually dry food is the better value.