Veg Only Grow Room [Help!]

Bottom line is its best to have at least 40w sq/ft, regardless of the source.

To determne w/sq/ft Divide the sq/ft by the watts of the lamp.

4 x 4 is 16 sq/ft.

400 divided by 16 sq/ft... 4 x 4 is 16w/sq/ft which is not nearly enough to cover the whole 4 x 4.

400 divided by 3 x 3, or 9 sq/ft is 44.4q sq/ft which is good. You want a minimum of 37w/sq/ft, but I like minimum of 40w.

I use a 1000w Hortilux HPS Superbulb for flowering, and veg in 4 x 4. That's around 62.5w Sq/ft

I myself would get a 600w Hortilux HPS Superbulb, and forget about any other lighting.
This will give strong, vigorous growth for any strain.

At 4 x 4 the 600w bulb will supply 37.5w Sq/Ft. Plenty enough, and will give you strong, vigorous growth.

I don't know about anyone else, but I like my plants using water like a MOFO, with fast vigorous growth.

But regardless of light source, I wouldn't use anything less than 50w/sq/ft.
 
Okay so what am I paying attention to when it comes to the T5s? I've heard spectrum but nothing about watts. Please forgive my ignorance, I've already stated I'm a newbie, lol. I'd like to use the weekend to go out there and compare everything and hopefully have some lights in there up and running by next week. I'm gonna go look for the exact one you recommended and whatever else I can find; soon as I get back I'll let you all know and we can go from there. Thanks y'all!
 
You'd need to be running CO2 to stand much luck with using the high-efficiency LEDs and COBs at that kind of power.
If my own experience is anything to go by, you can limit growth by turning the lights up to high with those. 40-45W would likely still be overkill.
 
But Jimi remember I'm not trying to cover the entire 4x4 space with plants and have a 4x4 equivalent canopy. Just two real plants and a seed. So as far as the math goes, on paper that makes all the sense in the world, but when I translate it to my setup I'm like but wait my plants won't take up the entire grow space so am I going by the physical space I have or by the expected dimensions of my canopy?
 
Consider the SUN is 14,714 W/SQ/Ft:fire::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I use a 1000w hortilux at 24-28 inches for seedlings and a 4 x 4 area. And have for decades. Around 62w Sq/ft

The 600w/1000w/400w ect Hortilux HPS Superbulb are plant bulbs. Its basically a High Pressure Sodium, which are rich in reds ect, and they add Blue so the spectrum becomes plant friendly. Ive been using these bulbs for over 20 years. Don't over think it. The main thing to take into consideration is the HPS will generate more heat, because its putting out a lot of energy.

1 of the biggest reason HID burn plants is because of Infra Red, not because its to bright.

Ive not been able to get a 1000w Gavita any closer then 36 inches without burning them, 38 minimum, just as they recommend, as where I can get a 1000w Hortilux 15 inches away if ambient temps allow, and no bleaching. The infrared on the Gavita is easily noticeable vs the same watts. Gavita also puts out almost 25% more photons at 38 inches, and 21,000 more lumens vs Hortilux at around 2 feet distance

T5s ect have a really good spectrum ect, but wont generate anywhere near the light energy for the $$, and the plants will thus grow slower, and use less water. IMHO its all about using water, food, and getting the plants photosynthesizing/metabolizing as hard as it can go. I also believe that less plants vegged with heavy duty light/photon output, a lot of soil to get big roots, will out perform more plants, vegged with less light intensity.

If you can find it, Id also look into Promix BX for your base. It has no nutrients other than a bit of Lime which will give a bit of Calcium/Magnesium, but not enough. But I would use a good peat based mix, with Vermiculite/Perlite/ Calcitic/Dolomitic Lime added. Or make up my own.

Promix is a good light mix that will give good aeration, so the roots can grow fast, thus using more food, and water, giving you bigger plants, faster growing plants for the time vegged.

IMHO you can veg the crap out on 5 plants in a 4 x 4 and 5 gallon containers and 600w Hortilux HPS.

My buddy vegges his inside here in USA/ MID OHIO under 2 x 1000w HPS 5 gallon containers, and then puts them out the last week of June, and uses the natural light like youre explaining, and has really good success with it.

He digs out his own holes outside for transplanting, and uses 1 Bale 3.8 cu/ft Promix per plant/hole.

But if you don't need 4 x 4, and 600w, I just go by w/sq/ft.... YMMV, .Mine wont as Ive been doing this for 40 years this way. I used to use Metal Halide, before they had the color corrected plant bulbs like now.

But I like all the light I can get, up to a point. Of course you can have to much, but 60w sq/ft aint it.

You also may look into the Ceramic Metal Halide 315w, but they may be hard to find.

Also don't forget about penetration. As a plant get bigger, the lights get further away from the lower secondaries, can case stretch, and weak branches. Light intensity quickly diminishes from just inches. Inverse Square Law.

Light and other electromagnetic radiation[edit]
The intensity (or illuminance or irradiance) of light or other linear waves radiating from a point source (energy per unit of area perpendicular to the source) is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source; so an object (of the same size) twice as far away, receives only one-quarter the energy (in the same time period).

More generally, the irradiance, i.e., the intensity (or power per unit area in the direction of propagation), of a spherical wavefront varies inversely with the square of the distance from the source (assuming there are no losses caused by absorption or scattering).

For example, the intensity of radiation from the Sun is 9126 watts per square meter at the distance of Mercury (0.387 AU); but only 1367 watts per square meter at the distance of Earth (1 AU)—an approximate threefold increase in distance results in an approximate ninefold decrease in intensity of radiation.
 
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You want to have enough watts to support your largest plant.
I would use 2' x 4' of that space with a 6 lamp T5 fixture. 6 x 54W = 324W 2' x 4'= 8sqft x 40w = 320W
Set the fixture height for your tallest plant and elevate the others up for proper distance to the light
 
Thank you all for the replies, I can't express it enough just how much I appreciate it. I'm having difficulty finding T5s and the fixtures; the light shops say they have orders in for hotels and such and nothing has come in yet. I can't wait for whenever that is as things move ridiculously slow down here. I'm going to grow with the 400w MH. I've attached a picture of the housing. They don't have any reflectors though. Any DIY ideas that can work? And in that space what would you all suggest in terms of ventilation and heating issues? Thanks again guys, :)
 
Thank you all for the replies, I can't express it enough just how much I appreciate it. I'm having difficulty finding T5s and the fixtures; the light shops say they have orders in for hotels and such and nothing has come in yet. I can't wait for whenever that is as things move ridiculously slow down here. I'm going to grow with the 400w MH. I've attached a picture of the housing. They don't have any reflectors though. Any DIY ideas that can work? And in that space what would you all suggest in terms of ventilation and heating issues? Thanks again guys, :)
 

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Thank you all for the replies, I can't express it enough just how much I appreciate it. I'm having difficulty finding T5s and the fixtures; the light shops say they have orders in for hotels and such and nothing has come in yet. I can't wait for whenever that is as things move ridiculously slow down here. I'm going to grow with the 400w MH. I've attached a picture of the housing. They don't have any reflectors though. Any DIY ideas that can work? And in that space what would you all suggest in terms of ventilation and heating issues? Thanks again guys, :)
What lamp / wattage is the top right fixture?
 
So I stick that over a 2.5x3 space or so and I won't have to worry about any light being wasted? Just put the plants underneath and maintain the appropriate distance? Just wondering if once I get that I'm good or I need anything else. And what about heat?
 
Yep, just hang and roll. Probably start off around 24"
Is the room going to be closed up? If so a 4" duct fan should be sufficient. Maybe even get away with a bathroom ventilation fan as tough as it sounds like it is for you to source things down there.
Will need a hole for fresh air intake and an outlet for the fan. Possibly a thermostat to turn the fan on and off should temps get too low
 
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