Vegan Organic Nutes?

and by the way, i use guanos and know they are a wonderful fertilizer, everyone on the planet that grows bud knows that. but that still is not what he was asking.

i respect you not wanting to cause pain or suffering for other living things that i understand and it an admirable stance to take. but 1 thing i will say is that as a human predatory omnivore not eating animal sourced protein at least 1 or 2 times a weak is not a good health choice at a minimum eggs and milk should be used. soy and other plant sourced proteins are inferior for various reasons to animal proteins when consumed by humans.

i would consider poop to be pretty organic and vegan safe clearly the bat wasent killed in the pooping process and i'd bet that just about every organic food you can buy at the store had poop in the soil in wich it was grown. their isnt too much else that you can use as a natural fertalizer. i'm not a vegan myself but i dated one for many years so i'm familar with the lifestyle definetly commendable

odbsmydog said:

I dont care if your vegan or not, there is such a thing as vegan nutrients, and they dont come from animals, they come from kelp, alfalfa and mollasses.

if you were a super hardcore vegan you wouldnt even eat figs because fig trees use fig wasps to pollinate and they die inside the fruit. honey isnt vegan either.

I dont give a shit about what you and your wif eat, the guy asked about vegan nutrients, you gave him bad info, and i corrected you.

go look at pura vida and maybe you will know what a "vegan nutrient" is.


whatever, im wasting no more time on you, believe what you want.

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You have made a few asumptions and one of them being that I am a Vegan.

I am not a Vegan as I follow one of the most strict Paleolithic Lifestyles of eating in the world.

My diet is beyond strict and was the cure to every health problem that I had and I use to have many and on the verge of death.

Computers are really bad for proper communication and I want to make clear, that I take nothing offensively.

Everyone is entitled to their own......if there own is not beneficial.....they pay from the inside

I also knew the difference between a Vegan and a Vegetarian as I also followed that lifestyle for a while and it did have it's values, but was still missing a few things and I became lack of many Vitamins that I refuse to get from Synthetics, so I had to add Raw Meat to the diet also.

Raw animal and Raw saturated fats, are the number one stable for the human body.

Anybody who says differently " including a Doctor " is a liar and or knows no better.

The Vegan and Vegetarian lifestyle, detoxed me and gave me incredible health " until it did not anymore. "

Raw meats and raw fats, can cure anything because of the way the body uses them to heal.

Grow how you know and offer what you will, but I offer no argument and never will........life is too short.

Be Blessed.

Rev. TheNatural

rite dudes personally i use Biocanna bio vega, its 100% organic, its all plant extracts and wot not, pretty good shit if ya ask me, the whole range is 100% organic and it cheap enough over here anyways bout £13 for a litre, cant go wholes wiv it either even if ya sum how manage to mess it up ( dont know how if ya read the bck) no nute burn or nothing, organic is the way forward

Sleepless said:

Does anyone know where I can find Vegan nutes that are still organic? I know that earth juice has blood and bone meal in it.

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i am using canna 100% Organic bloom cost £15 and u can get a grow 1 to wat is organic go on canna web site mate there stuff is very good

l3ordum said:

i would consider poop to be pretty organic and vegan safe clearly the bat wasent killed in the pooping process and i'd bet that just about

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Totally not true. Look up the habitat destruction that goes along with collecting bat guano. Take a look at where the "blood meal" & "bone meal" come from (Slaughterhouses, where disgusting things happen). Me and my wife were actually just discussing this topic.

We are both vegan, and have been for 15 years. I still use bat guano though, but I am also trying to switch. I just haven't found anything as good for it either.

Veganism is a lifestyle, and its an ethical choice and also a healthy choice. Vegan's rates for heart attack, stroke, cancer, high cholestrole, and many many other illnesses are for the most part nil. Now yes, humans have "evolved" (which is debatable as well, as I personally feel we have devolved) to being able to eat meat, but if you look at studies of vegan diets compared to omnivore diets, vegans are MUCH healthier in comparison and help "Save the Earth" more than omnivores could ever dream. Just take a look at the "carbon foot test" under the question for which kind of diet do you eat. If you choose "Vegan" your percentage rate for sustainablity drops more than half percent! Also studies have shown (and I'm sure someone can point me to a study that shows the opposite, because hey, whatever the thinker thinks, the prover proves) that human biology is mainly plant based, meaning that humans thrive better off of plants than they do off of meat. Just take a look at updated "food pyrimids" that tell you to eat little to no meat, and ESPICALLY no red meat in your diet, and to eat more plants. Humans biology digest plants better and faster than meat. A vegan will shit anywhere from 2-3 times daily, while most omnivores will only shit once daily, and sometimes not even once a day! The meat sits in your stomach and rots, and the acid can't break it down fast enough. So if you keep eating more and more meat on top of rotting meat that your body can't break down, you get what they call constipated. No vegans get constipated (diarrehia on the other hand is a different story.).

I was told something a long time ago that I pondered on ever since, which I always found interesting. If you put a baby in a crib with a banana and a rabbit, which do you think it will eat and which will it play with? Every test ever done will always show that the baby will play with the rabbit and eat the banana, without any coercion of any kind or any coaxing. Theres something to learned there, take of it what you will.

Now dont get me wrong, I am in no way dogmatic about being vegan. I see nothing what so ever being wrong with hunting for your food (as long as you are not trophy hunting, and everything will be used on the animal, like native americans), or if you raise the animals yourself and slaughter them. I am just completely against any form of factory farming and exploitation to animals. Go take your dog or cat and kill and eat them. Better yet, eat some of these pesky humans that are over-populating this planet.

Well thats my long rant! haha. In all replies just take into account that I have an extremely good sense of humor about being vegan, and can make fun of myself, and am in no way dogmatic. I prefer to be catmatic. haha.

i love guanos and bone meal, and i eat steak. im not trying to say how to be a vegan, i was just showing the brother a vegan nutrient.

Another product that is all vegan is FloraBlend Vegan Compost Tea. The stuff works great, but has a low NPK.

there are alot of good points made in this thread

Thats another reason why I grow my own weed so Im not smoking weed that was grown from a mans piss. Thiers no need for that.

Im using pura vida as well. Grow works great but the bloom is causing my plants to turn yellow from an N def. The soil ph is 6.5 and it appears that they arent getting any nitrogen, so it seems. The 2-6-6 isnt working. Funny though, Ive tried 2 other organic formulas and the plants all respond the same way to the nutrients in bloom: turn yellow around week 3, lose all leaves by wk.5 and leave you with a puny plant that has sparse little buds on it where there should be colas. So Im starting them on the 2 part grow and bloom formula to make sure theyre getting the N.

if your growing plants at all or eat food of any kind your eating and using organisms that used waste sourced ferts at one time or another there is no way around this. i mean piss and poop swim in ocean lakes or streams much? the point is these waste products once used by plants are no longer the molecule they started as. they have been converted to other compounds and the circle of life begins again. so if someone uses urine as a source of nitrogen there is no urine in the end product as it has long been transformed into other compounds. cows eat grass ferted with poop we eat the cows and poop and the process repeats itself its the natural way and cant be avoided.

yeah, i'm a vegetarian and work on an organic/biodynamic farm that feeds many vegans (amongst others), and shit's the shit, so to speak

Enjoy the smell of your urine plants/soil. Or piss res water. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

in biologically stable grows there will be no smells for any extended amount of time its simply a biological process i thought i explained it simply enough. as an example a crowded aquarium with many fish but one thats set up properly does not smell at all because as soon as food or waste hits the water it is rapidly converted to other compounds. if anything there is a fresh smell like that of the ocean or a lake or a handful of healthy soil.

bicycle racer said:

in biologically stable grows there will be no smells for any extended amount of time its simply a biological process i thought i explained it simply enough. as an example a crowded aquarium with many fish but one thats set up properly does not smell at all because as soon as food or waste hits the water it is rapidly converted to other compounds. if anything there is a fresh smell like that of the ocean or a lake or a handful of healthy soil.

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if I have to live around it and smell it........no poop or fish ferts for me.......

I have never heard a definition of vegan that does not allow animal manures. Vegans would tend to avoid it, but that is nearly impossible with 53 BILLION food animals killed worldwide each year.

trymellow said:

I have never heard a definition of vegan that does not allow animal manures. Vegans would tend to avoid it, but that is nearly impossible with 53 BILLION food animals killed worldwide each year.

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I grow vegan but I make my own soil. I looked into hydroponic vegan nutes but decided against it due to cost and hassle ect. PM me if you want more info

anhedonia said:

Enjoy the smell of your urine plants/soil. Or piss res water. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

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When using urine for as a fert its diluted with water. So the plants wont smell pissy at all. If you drink tapwater approximately 7 people have drank it and pissed it out before it's recycled and you drink it.


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