Ok ok ,here we go,,credit card statement come in and listen to this,,the seeds are 105.00 for 10 pac. i ordered 2- 10 pacs. + shipping 20.00 .230.00 total. they charged my credit card 175.00 .thats 1.5 pacs for 155.00 + 20.00 shipping. 175.00 total. now we have evidense they did it,and wen they broke the breeders pac they even knew the seeds were old,thats wy they sold them to me to pass those old ones on to me on some f***** up broken pac they already had. dont trust these guys.real subtle if you ask me.,, and by the way only 10 seeds actually grew the other were mutated from being old ,didnt have enuff juice in the to do anything. so 175.00 for 10 beans,, Now i am only buying D J Shorts Bluemoon .. attitude sells D J Short now , i know DJ are always new, his turnover rate is pass anyone,always fresh, dutch passion passing some of thier long shelf life seeds from thier amsterdam shop to these seed banks,assholes.,RHino seeds you thot i was a real dummy and i maybe i was because i trusted you.this site is where we label scammers and better beef up your customer service are youll have others posting as well,jerks.