Was away.. Came home to off whitish yellow marks brown spots (pics)

BongboyMMA said:

Thanks so much man. Yeah I'm just trying to problem solve things I changed when this problem started. And the main thing was that I used the aquarium tap water treatment... Before that I left gallons of water out for - few days so the chlorine dissipated. But I've been reading that I may not even have chlorine in my water and it maybe chloramine. I ridged up volt meter to kinda read ppms but it wasn't sensitive enough to pick up anything in the tap water. Once I added nutes it jumped. Gonna order a 20$ jammy from eBay. My pH. Pen works great it's only 0.2 off every so often

I'm wondering if the tap water treTment shit removed iron and things like that. But when you guys use RO and distilled your not adding all those metals right? What would chlorine damage do.

I'm just wondering what exactly went wrong especially since one plant the skunk wasn't growing and now exploding and the SSH was perfect all along and now has all these leaf things going on.

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I don't know -- it could have been a few things. And I'm not familiar with chlorine damage or chlorine treatment. All I can say is once you have filtered water and you have your meters and they're calibrated and everything is set up correctly, it's really simple to diagnose problems in dwc. 99 percent of the time your problems are from 1 of 3 things. Ph out of range -- above 6.5, below 5.5 -- ppms too high or low for the stage it's in (most times it's too high), or something nasty is growing in your res and f'ing up your roots -- most likely from too high of water temps or you put some kind of organic matter in it, but sometimes it's just fortuitous. It's really that easy man. Iron and all the necessary micro nutrients come in the bottled nutrients that you use and most people who use RO always supplement with some kind of calmag.

THE KONASSURE said:

mix up some ph 7 water with some bennies (when you get them) and some sugar

Leave it to bubble for a few days or hours with a airstone in it

add that to a fresh low ppm ph`d res and the bennies will get to work faster then if you just add the stuff from the bottle

Also trichoderma could be used as its a very aggressive water mold that breeds fast

I try to buy other bennies with no trichoderma in them and use it pure separately because it will out breed most other bennies so its better to use just a small bit after other bennies are established

If you get a fast ph change and some white/clear slime that starts to turn brown then you`ll have some issues brown algae (actually bacteria not algae) that stuff is a bitch, the choice against that stuff if pretty much a zone copper treatment or just go crazy with bennies and hope

It just breeds so fast

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Thanks dude. Sorry in still a newb. How much sugar and how much Bennys I was gonna grab aquashield no tds meter yet. Do you guys really think this is coming from a root issue? The roots of the plant with problems are pretty white only a little brown but I believe from the nutes? Im trying to keep this as simple as possible. Ughh everything was fine until I went to this bigger res bc I wasn't around for a few days

unwine99 said:

I don't know -- it could have been a few things. And I'm not familiar with chlorine damage or chlorine treatment. All I can say is once you have filtered water and you have your meters and they're calibrated and everything is set up correctly, it's really simple to diagnose problems in dwc. 99 percent of the time in dwc your problems are from 1 of 3 things. Ph out of range -- above 6.5, below 5.5 -- ppms too high or low for the stage it's in (most times it's too high), or something nasty is growing in your res and f'ing up your roots -- most likely from too high of water temps or you put some kind of organic matter in it. It's really that easy man. Iron and all the necessary micro nutrients come in the bottled nutrients that you use and most people who use RO or always supplement with some kind of calmag although I've heard that a some nutrient lines, you don't need calmag, even with RO.

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Cool thanks for the help man. Once I can get a harvest now in 2 months... I can save on spending on bud (the plan was to stop until I make my own... But yea... Lol) I will also have a better job soon and can go RO and get legit meters. This was all a first trial with my freebies and I feel like they looked so good and grew so quick. I've got a buddy in soil and mine are twice the size tighter nodes and they just look better from my cheap hydro set up. I even germinated in a towel and went straight into the clay pebbles. Ran into all this rushing for a business/school trip and couldn't leave them in the smaller res. figured the larger res would hold it's pH more stable but I wasn't able to adjust it until stable. 2days after a fresh res change I'm stable at 5.6 I use calMag as well with botanicare pro grow and feel like and peeps on here said I'm having great results for my first time ever so I was going to stick with their bloom formula. But I did read that my roots will look brown bc there is some organic in it.

There was a white film on my thermo and the air lines when I got home but light was leaking in. Tomorrow I'm gonna just paint the whole thing black while it's sitting there. Flush her for 12 hrs. Pick up my bloom come Monday and put this hps to work. Of course I didn't get my inline fan yet so I'm going to just keep the closet open when the lights are on until I that comes mid week

no its worse

Its like its already dead, I`ve been tempted to grow it just to see if I can kill it

best method would probably be to use a copper bucket for your res or maybe air your water with some lumps of copper in it and take them out later ? Silver would probably work too

but you just can`t get the plant clean of it so even if the water is clean this time and you have bennies going and even if you dip the roots

That shit is still there

Fish people seem just as stuck as us even more so because fish are easy to kill

So then the solutions are friendly microbes (trichoderma is your best bet) or hydrogen peroxide or "zone" most have a lot of copper and some ammonia`s in them

Dutch masters zone has done me well in the past but I think its best to get your benificall`s established early so you don`t get it as it just breeds so fast

Seen it turn roots to much in a day, ph 5 to ph 8+ in a few hours

Crazy brown/red algae I hate the stuff

Its why I went from aeroponics and dwc to flood and drain and flow methods to get my roots away from my res

and going by how dirty my flood and drain was yesterday when I cleaned it

It seems much harder to get that crap in my new system I think its cos the roots are far from the res it blocks the lights and the temps better and I`ve got one of them recirculating filters too that seems to help plus it clears out any crud

but the main thing is the roots get time to air and also you have 2 places to feed microbes the res and the root zone

in dwc you just have one, that`s why I like them recirculating dwc`s better now if I had to pick a dwc system I would pick whatever one moved the water around the most

BongboyMMA said:

Thanks dude. Sorry in still a newb. How much sugar and how much Bennys I was gonna grab aquashield no tds meter yet. Do you guys really think this is coming from a root issue? The roots of the plant with problems are pretty white only a little brown but I believe from the nutes? Im trying to keep this as simple as possible. Ughh everything was fine until I went to this bigger res bc I wasn't around for a few days

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normally try to keep the sugars under 5g per L

but even a spoon of sugar in a 100L tank will do something as the microbes have something to eat then

THE KONASSURE said:

no its worse

Its like its already dead, I`ve been tempted to grow it just to see if I can kill it

best method would probably be to use a copper bucket for your res or maybe air your water with some lumps of copper in it and take them out later ? Silver would probably work too

but you just can`t get the plant clean of it so even if the water is clean this time and you have bennies going and even if you dip the roots

That shit is still there

Fish people seem just as stuck as us even more so because fish are easy to kill

So then the solutions are friendly microbes (trichoderma is your best bet) or hydrogen peroxide or "zone" most have a lot of copper and some ammonia`s in them

Dutch masters zone has done me well in the past but I think its best to get your benificall`s established early so you don`t get it as it just breeds so fast

Seen it turn roots to much in a day, ph 5 to ph 8+ in a few hours

Crazy brown/red algae I hate the stuff

Its why I went from aeroponics and dwc to flood and drain and flow methods to get my roots away from my res

and going by how dirty my flood and drain was yesterday when I cleaned it

It seems much harder to get that crap in my new system I think its cos the roots are far from the res it blocks the lights and the temps better and I`ve got one of them recirculating filters too that seems to help plus it clears out any crud

but the main thing is the roots get time to air and also you have 2 places to feed microbes the res and the root zone

in dwc you just have one, that`s why I like them recirculating dwc`s better now if I had to pick a dwc system I would pick whatever one moved the water around the most

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Sorry bro I'm kinda lost. My plants are as good as dead? There is only brown on one root and everything coming out of it is white and looks good? I think the brown came from light getting in before I sealed up were the air tubes go in

your root pic
"everything was fine until I went to this bigger res "
res. change that where it starts. just keep a eye on roots bigger plants will make it (more roots the better)
NOTHING ORGANIC sugar organic
watch the ph it go's up fast
Dutch masters zone, h2o2, Physan 20 aquashield , won't work just slows down plant been there done that

THE KONASSURE said:

nah mate your plants aren`t dead till they are dead

I`ve had some get rot and die in a day and I`ve had others get rot very young but still finish fine

There`s good and bad kinds of everything everywhere

Something has had a go at your roots, could be something friendly from the nutes you used that`s brown or they may have some slight rot

Just keep an eye on it and use the bennies as once a plants been weakened you have to keep its life low stress

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Oh you have to be there for res changes to ph as it can be really unstable when you do a res change you have to keep everything in check

Its why I empty my res and then add water and some nutes at a low level, ph it up then add my bennies and carbs mix there`s very little carbs as a whole but 1 to 5L of bennies in water for anything from an hour to a few days can give them a big head start

Add the bennies to your main res, then you`ll see ph rise a bit but much slower then when brown algae gets involved

if the ph go`s up too far then its just a crap shoot after that the roots will go to mush as the bacteria breeds out of control

I`ve found if your old res is stable you can use some of that, plus water and fresh beenies to get a started brew going too

It`s harder in dwc as your trying to get things clean but you have roots in your water, I`m glad I don`t have a whole dwc grow running I`ll still do a bucket or 2 from time to time but yeah after you clean and put in a fresh res

I remember them times its like a fight between the good stuff you put in and the bad stuff that`s all over this planet lol

Sometimes it goes well and other times your chucking your res away every day

That`s why its good to breed up the bennies and then flood your res with it give them a chance to march in there and eat anything that`s harming your plants

but Trichoderma is also worth trying if you keep getting issues

Sorry I wasn't clear I had both of these in a 4 gallon tote with about 2 gal of water and changed and cleaned the res every 5-7 days. I was going away for work can't exactly call a sitter so when I say I changed the res I moved up to an 18gal tote with 12gal of water. So I didn't have to worry about them sucking it dry and wanted to make the pH more stable bc wouldn't be able to check. The next morning when I was leaving I saw the problems start. I think I'm deff getting light in through the grey tote I'm going to paint it ASAP.

Is it odd the plant you posted in the pic is the one growing better than before? What's the most simply thing to start with just grab aquashield

if your ph is not raising with in hours you may be fine you have a large root mass there
the brown well never go away
i have pics https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/terry385.845712/
all plants lived i transplanted to soil
the blue cheese had brown roots in flower it made it dwc was hard for first grow learned alot from this site

Little update. She still doesn't look super happy so I'm flushing 12hrs before I flip to 12/12 0 grow nutes and almost the recommended dose of calMag that would go with the bloom nutes and tap water that I was using all along that was left out over night (I ditched the aquarium drops) that I will add tomorrow. I think the roots on the plant showing the leaf damage are the last thing I need to worry about (see pic) I think they have doubled in size since I've been home to watch The other plants (that were browner) haven't really grown but as you'll see they are perdy white below the brown. Which leads me to think it was over feeding, pH issues or from using aquarium de chlorinating drops. I figure it can't hurt to flush the nitrogen out before flipping to bloom and in less than 12 hrs 1/2 strength bloom nutes will be added and it can't hurt to have calMag in the res now. I left my pH at 5.8 to optimize cal and mag uptake and try to strengthen any weakness while flushing? Good idea? Here's their roots
On the left is the girl showing leaf issues and it has doubled in size compared to the last pics I posted. Roots on the right haven't grown but they're white below the damage and the plant itself has grown and looks great

Top of the roots on the left (the plant with fd up leaves) but grew a giant root ball
Plant on the left (roots haven't really grown but the plant has and looks super healthy)


Ps yes I'm a newb and put 2 differnent strains in the same tote and I think they have been fighting for nutes ever since. I think the SSH was bigger and thus drank and eat more so she got burnt while the bigger res allowed the skunk to still get what she needed. Never again will I put 2 different strains in the same bucket.

I'm going to trim some clones from the bottom from each before I flip to 12/12 and hit them with my hps and put them under a net.
I have a "real" (paid for c99 bean germing and I'll use that in one bucket and 2 clones from the SSH ( I have another freebie reg skunk bean) which was why I put them together. My first grow and I still don't know if the skunk is gonna have a giant set of balls so I figured it couldn't hurt... I think I was wrong lol don't mix strains they really will fight each other.

You guys think I got it covered enough? I think I'm gonna skip the aqua shield bc any rot was from light creeping in plus I added more air and the roots on the damaged plant seriously double if not tripled in 2 days

Ps keep in mind I'm running botanicare pro grow which I heard will brown the roots. Even where they are brown it is not slimy or weak feeling an there is no smell

theirs a lot of root you will be ok ph not jumping up with in hours your good it flip
my roots were not slimy or smell ph jump up fast 5.5 to 6.7 in hours i had something organic in my water
that caused it, Roots turn from light brown to real dark brown also over night i gave up cleaning roots
pull and transplanted to soil and started over