Washington cuts size, number of legal pot grows

colonuggs

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[h=1]Washington cuts size, number of legal pot grows[/h] By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Published: Feb 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM PST Last Updated: Feb 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM PST l



SEATTLE (AP) — Washington state is dealing with a glut of would-be legal marijuana growers by cutting back on the number of licenses it issues and the maximum size of pot farms — a decision that upset some applicants who have been working to secure leases or build out warehouses with dreams of larger operations.

The state Liquor Control Board received more than 2,800 applications from people hoping to grow the weed that will supply Washington's recreational marijuana stores when they open later this year. In all, the applications would have covered 36 million square feet of marijuana plants, vastly more than the 2 million the board wanted produced initially.

To solve the problem, the three-member board voted unanimously Wednesday to limit applicants to one license apiece, rather than three. And it decided to allow growers to produce 70 percent of the maximum growing space they applied for. For example, those who applied for three of the largest licenses — up to 90,000 square feet total — will be limited to just one license enabling them to grow 21,000 square feet, at least at first.

"Everybody recognized we had too many applicants and too much canopy," board director Rick Garza said afterward.

The state is in uncharted territory as it tries to allow enough marijuana to be grown so that the prices will compete with the black market, but not so much that excess pot finds its way out of state — a concern the U.S. Justice Department cited when it said it would allow the legalization experiments in Washington and Colorado to go forward. In Colorado, where taxed, legal pot sales began on Jan. 1, officials licensed existing medical marijuana shops to sell weed for recreational use. There is no cap on production.

Washington expects to issue its first pot-growing licenses on March 1, Garza said.

Most of the applicants were not planning to use the full amount of space they applied for, Garza said, and so limiting the size of their growing operations or the number of their licenses didn't much faze them. If the state turns out to need more weed, the board could boost the growers up to the full amount of a single license — 30,000 square feet instead of 21,000, for the largest grows — or eventually start issuing multiple licenses.

But the board's decision Wednesday upset some prospective growers who applied for multiple licenses with plans of growing up to 90,000 square feet of cannabis, said Hilary Bricken, a Seattle marijuana business attorney whose clients include about 10 such growers. They have been securing leases and preparing their business plans based on the idea that they would be able to produce that much, she said.

"They are not happy," Bricken said.

The board's decision created whiplash for applicants: They were supposed to identify a location for their marijuana business that complied with state law on buffer zones around schools and playgrounds, and many struggled to secure lease agreements or purchase such properties. Now, some have discovered their efforts were at least partially for naught.

Dan Anglin, a spokesman for a Seattle group that is under contract to buy the 180,000-square-foot former K2 Sports building on Vashon Island, said he was stunned. The group has applied for three 30,000-square-foot licenses, and it was prepared to spend $5 million purchasing the building and preparing it for their legal marijuana and packaging operations.

Their contract is conditioned on a zoning issued being resolved. If it is, they'll likely find themselves with a big, expensive building they can only partially use, Anglin said.

"We found what we thought was a perfect building based on the 90,000 square feet that we were planning on growing," Anglin said. "We have to take a hard look at this."

Jeremy Moberg, who was hoping to grow 90,000 square feet outdoors in Okanogan County, said he had spent $350,000 on security fencing and other preparations.

He suggested that Washington is in for some marijuana shortages, not to mention a big carbon footprint, because the board hasn't given priority to the most competent growers or outdoor operations capable of producing the most marijuana with the least electricity.

Garza noted that the board always reserved the right to limit grow sizes if total production exceeded 2 million square feet.

Alison Holcomb, the Seattle lawyer who drafted the legal pot law, said pot growers needed to be prepared for such changes.

"The reality of the situation is that this is and has been a high-risk industry," Holcomb said. "All along the way, the LCB has been very transparent about what its goals have been. If you did the math, you knew weeks ago we were talking about having at least 10 times as much square footage as the Liquor Control Board wanted to allow."
 

colonuggs

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and in other news


Washington state House votes to screw medical marijuana patients over

Wednesday, February 19, 2014





In a move chided by most medical marijuana patients and just about every medical marijuana collective owner in the state, the Washington state House last night approved a bill that would eliminate medical pot shops as they currently exist and force patients into a heavily-taxed recreational system.
House Bill 2149 passed by a vote of 67 to 29 last night, has been billed as a way to help keep federal agents out of Washington as well as a way to help funnel more tax revenue through the recreational system. The measure also decreases the total amount of plants patients can grow at home from 15 down to six and drops possession limits from 24 ounces to three.


Washington state Rep. Eileen Cody, a democrat from West Seattle who wrote and sponsored the bill, says that the patient collectives operate under legal gray areas of state law and lack the government oversight needed to keep federal prosecutors at bay.


Cody has promised that patients would be able to avoid the sales tax on cannabis purchased in a legal storefront, but that move isn't in this bill (it's in another one) and completely ignores the other taxes on cannabis in Washington state that will likely drive prices as much as three times what they are currently.


The bill also creates a patient tracking system that keeps tabs on how much herb each patient purchases at a time, allowing patients to walk away with three ounces from a shop instead of the allotted one ounce per recreational customers.


I think that we can satisfy some of the patients," Cody said according to Forbes.com. "I don't think that all of the medical marijuana community will be happy."

Cody, apparently, is completely out of touch with reality (and/or possibly in the pockets of some big pot investors who could care less about patient rights?). This move completely screws patients.
"Our cowardly legislators voted to effectively end medical cannabis here," Steve Sarich, executive director of the Cannabis Action Network, said. "Patients are in shock. If the Senate votes to pass this bill, Washington will be the first state to end medical cannabis."

He went on to blame the state Democrats for failing to protect their constituents.


"The Democrats, who supported I-502, were behind this, along with the governor," Sarich says. "Who would have thought it would be the Republicans trying to protect the rights of patients?"


And he's right. One of the few people to speak up with Republican state Rep. Cary Condotta.


"Right now, you're taking everything away from them -- you can't give it back," he said during the debate. "I'm a little concerned we're moving a little too quickly without a program to integrate."


The measure goes to the Senate, which has until mid-March to approve the bill.
 

alwaysgreen420

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This states Fucked and will always be until this state learns how to vote. People of this state voted for this and now look. There is worse to come. Washington state could Fuck up an orgasm

Sent from my SCH-I545
 

charface

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At least we have our foot in the door.
Worse case scenario we will be able to
buy weed at a store just for fun.
Some would call that a victory.
 

colonuggs

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At least we have our foot in the door.
Worse case scenario we will be able to
buy weed at a store just for fun.
Some would call that a victory.
Some would call that being bent over....the prices with tax..... who wants to buy $ 300-400 oz ...when I can get it for $150-200 NOW
 

charface

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I understand.
Just trying to stay positive.
Besides how hard do you think they will hunt down average citizens with a plant or two of their own.

I think once the smoke settles
med people will be looked after
and what the state cant do for rec users
dealers will.
 

colonuggs

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A lot of MMJ people/patients in Washington have vowed not to participate in the purchasing of marijuana through Rec stores.....

we have grown it for ourselves since 1998...The State will be under mined when they choose to shit on 600,000 mj patients
 

CaretakerDad

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Some would call that being bent over....the prices with tax..... who wants to buy $ 300-400 oz ...when I can get it for $150-200 NOW
The idiots will figure out sooner or later that the black market, which they do not have the resources to stop, is flourishing because they have priced themselves out of the market with their greed. Which by the by is THE ONLY reason recreational use was legalized. For any number of reasons, freedom, choice, price, they're my homies :), the black market will always exist and likely flourish. Hopefully patients can grow for themselves or find a reputable grower, which can be difficult. I know I am one. :weed:
 

SnapsProvolone

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Retarded move in the wake of Colorado having pot shortages.

They should be making it easier for growers to produce tax dollars for the state.
 

charface

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A lot of med people have vowed not to participate in the purchasing of marijuana through Rec stores.....

we have grown it for ourselves since 1998
For sure.
I feel thats the most effective way to vote.
Withdrawing your much needed funds
from their seed money.
Unfortunatly plenty if pot monsters don't
have that gene.
 
Some would call that being bent over....the prices with tax..... who wants to buy $ 300-400 oz ...when I can get it for $150-200 NOW


I'm looking to try cannabis for some lower back pain and leg tight muscle pain (pain during the night).
60+ years old and get 4+ hours of heavy exercise daily--wears on the body.
My MN chiropractor said it would likely help: reduce pain and help relax muscles at night.

MN has no MedMJ.
I'm probably going to try some rec cannabis, drive to CO, as you must be CO resident to get certif for MedMJ.

CO pricing---holy sh#t. One shop I called had rec pricing at $140 or $150 for 1/4 oz with taxes. Well, ok but then they say their
top shelf is $180 or $190 with taxes. That's $720 or $760 / OZ . That's $11,500 / pound !!!!!!! Crazy. :shock:

When will the supply increase/ rec pricing drop in CO? Any estimates?

Any recommendation on a rec shop as we drive thru CO (west to east) via Grand Jct, I-70, Denver?
I'm wanting high quality buds, probably sativa or sativa dominant hybrid but at some kind of reasonable price.
I'm thinking lambsbread or green crack or girl scout cookies or LSD.

Favorite shops?
Favorite strains for energetic high, not couchlock?

Thanks
 

medicinehuman

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A lot of MMJ people/patients in Washington have vowed not to participate in the purchasing of marijuana through Rec stores.....

we have grown it for ourselves since 1998...The State will be under mined when they choose to shit on 600,000 mj patients
I need about an ounce a week to make edibles for my pain seizures. I am not going to start buying at inflated government prices. There is always some BS going on.
 
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