Water Only Soil?

941mick · Mar 19, 2015

Added two cups of everything, except 4 cups crab shell to 30 galons of a base ( 1 part peat, 1 part castings, 1 part perlite).

I then moistened it with a beneficial bacteria/fungi and enzyme product. I'm gonna let it sit for 3 weeks before planting.

My goal is to only use teas throughout the whole process, and no liquid fertilizers. Will this mix work?

st0wandgrow · Mar 19, 2015

941mick said:
Added two cups of everything, except 4 cups crab shell to 30 galons of a base ( 1 part peat, 1 part castings, 1 part perlite).

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I then moistened it with a beneficial bacteria/fungi and enzyme product. I'm gonna let it sit for 3 weeks before planting.

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My goal is to only use teas throughout the whole process, and no liquid fertilizers. Will this mix work?

Yes, that should work great for you.

I also use some of those Organically Done products. Local Michigan company.... gotta support 'em. :-)

DonTesla · Mar 19, 2015

Absolutely love that meal lineup and with feather meal no less.. Are you doing Sativa darlings? Not sure if I've seen someone rocking almost my style.. we do no peat no lime and 15% DIY Ewc But still, you're like a brother, ima have to call you brother Pete.. We kin folk

Could probably skip the steamed bone meal and azomite, or i probably would (next time) and get the glacial rock dust up, but again, not too many cats rock that fine of a meal line up.
Skipping egg shells and rocking the oyster.
Got your chitin sources on lock..
So I'm stoked for ya, mon.
Gonna be a real good run..
Go Mi
Booyaka booyaka

941mick · Mar 19, 2015

DonTesla said:
Absolutely love that meal lineup and with feather meal no less.. Are you doing Sativa darlings? Not sure if I've seen someone rocking almost my style.. we do no peat no lime and 15% DIY Ewc But still, you're like a brother, ima have to call you brother Pete.. We kin folk

Could probably skip the steamed bone meal and azomite, or i probably would (next time) and get the glacial rock dust up, but again, not too many cats rock that fine of a meal line up.
Skipping egg shells and rocking the oyster.
Got your chitin sources on lock..
So I'm stoked for ya, mon.
Gonna be a real good run..
Go Mi
Booyaka booyaka

Thank you! I'm pretty excited. I'm not going to lie I'm the worst of the worst when it comes to liquid fertilizer use. Hopefully this experiment will change my ways. Most of my varieties go 10 weeks+.

I wanted to go glacial, but I'm trying to utilize my employee discount at the shop and we don't carry it. If this works I'll be able to do 120 gallons of soil for a total cost of $240 and change.

941mick · Mar 24, 2015

Sitting for 5 days now opened it this morning and saw some mycelium growth. Good sign?

a senile fungus · Mar 24, 2015

941mick said:
Sitting for 5 days now opened it this morning and saw some mycelium growth. Good sign?

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Yes! My pile of soil was producing radiant heat once it really started cooking!

Looking good!

941mick · Mar 24, 2015

a senile fungus said:
Yes! My pile of soil was producing radiant heat once it really started cooking!

Looking good!

Yeah I was mixing the top up and it felt like a hot tub about 6" down.

st0wandgrow · Mar 24, 2015

941mick said:
Yeah I was mixing the top up and it felt like a hot tub about 6" down.

Amazing to think that the heat produced from the soil is just a byproduct of the microbes getting busy on all of the organic goodies you loaded the soil up with, isn't it?

941mick · Mar 24, 2015

st0wandgrow said:
Amazing to think that the heat produced from the soil is just a byproduct of the microbes getting busy on all of the organic goodies you loaded the soil up with, isn't it?

Nature is pretty sweet!

Pattahabi · Mar 24, 2015

Them organic birds they're getting feathers from?

Arsenic species in poultry feather meal

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greasemonkeymann · Mar 24, 2015

Pattahabi said:
Them organic birds they're getting feathers from?

Arsenic species in poultry feather meal

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Yikes, all the more reason to get them from a free-range place.
Soo what the hell? are they dousing the chickens in arsenic compounds to help the feathers come off?
I like feather meal, it's a great super slow release of nitrogen, works well especially in outdoor grows.
but I don't like arsenic....
Funny how humans gotta fuck everything up huh.
Same thing with manures, so chock full of antibiotics and such that you are afraid to even use it as a fertilizer.
In it's "pure" form, I like feather meal, I don't use it currently though.

941mick · Mar 25, 2015

Pattahabi said:
Them organic birds they're getting feathers from?

Arsenic species in poultry feather meal

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Emailed them asking, and this was the response....

"I wish I could answer yes to your question. Unfortuantely, we have not been able to find a reliable organic source. If this changes, we will keep you on our list and let you know.
Organically Done "

Pattahabi · Mar 25, 2015

941mick said:
Emailed them asking, and this was the response....

"I wish I could answer yes to your question. Unfortuantely, we have not been able to find a reliable organic source. If this changes, we will keep you on our list and let you know.
Organically Done "

I'd be really shocked if they came from organic birds. Unless it specifically says different, I'd expect all of your slaughter house byproducts come from animals that were not organic. Keep this in mind when buying blood meal, bone meal, fish bone meal, feather meal, etc. Do you want the blood of hormone injected, pesticide eating cows? I realize it is still considered organic, and I'm being an organic snob here, but I just don't want this crap in my soil.

< /rant >

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DonPetro · Mar 25, 2015

Pattahabi said:
I'd be really shocked if they came from organic birds. Unless it specifically says different, I'd expect all of your slaughter house byproducts come from animals that were not organic. Keep this in mind when buying blood meal, bone meal, fish bone meal, feather meal, etc. Do you want the blood of hormone injected, pesticide eating cows? I realize it is still considered organic, and I'm being an organic snob here, but I just don't want this crap in my soil.

< /rant >

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Hey man, do you know of any studies done on cannabis that shows these hormones, toxic chemicals, etc being taken up by the plant and being present in tissue samples? I would be interested in checking that out. Thank you.

a senile fungus · Mar 25, 2015

Damn...

I just realized my parents horses are regularly dewormed... I wonder how that's affecting my soil.

I've been growing with that horse manure compost for years with no apparent ill-effect, but I wonder if the dewormers are affecting my worm and bennies?

st0wandgrow · Mar 25, 2015

a senile fungus said:
Damn...

I just realized my parents horses are regularly dewormed... I wonder how that's affecting my soil.

I've been growing with that horse manure compost for years with no apparent ill-effect, but I wonder if the dewormers are affecting my worm and bennies?

My guess... you won't see any I'll effects from your plants when using that manure, but I wouldn't dream of putting that in your worm bin.

st0wandgrow · Mar 25, 2015

Pattahabi said:
I'd be really shocked if they came from organic birds. Unless it specifically says different, I'd expect all of your slaughter house byproducts come from animals that were not organic. Keep this in mind when buying blood meal, bone meal, fish bone meal, feather meal, etc. Do you want the blood of hormone injected, pesticide eating cows? I realize it is still considered organic, and I'm being an organic snob here, but I just don't want this crap in my soil.

< /rant >

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Good to know. I buy their kelp meal and their Fish hydrolysate. I'm guessing that those two should be pretty clean... or not? lol

a senile fungus · Mar 25, 2015

st0wandgrow said:
My guess... you won't see any I'll effects from your plants when using that manure, but I wouldn't dream of putting that in your worm bin.

I'm glad I realized that, because I had been contemplating adding some manure to it.

Maybe once I've got a good population of worms going I'll start a small bin and see if it affects them. It'd be worth it to know if my main ingredient is bad for my worms lol.

Pattahabi · Mar 25, 2015

a senile fungus said:
I'm glad I realized that, because I had been contemplating adding some manure to it.

Maybe once I've got a good population of worms going I'll start a small bin and see if it affects them. It'd be worth it to know if my main ingredient is bad for my worms lol.

This is from Coot:
If you can get your hands on alpaca manure then that would be the one I would suggest you go with because even organic horse operations have to use various vermicides which is especially true if the horses spend a lot of time in pastures and are dining on the native or planted grasses. However once the horse manure has been aged for 4 – 6 weeks these vermicides are degraded making them safe to use in your worm bins.

You would need to ask the alpaca owners whether their animals are treated with vermicides and if that is the case you’ll need to do the same thing, i.e. letting it set for a few weeks.

I might test this out. Take material either after it 'aged' (or just compost it) and add a little to a corner of the worm bin.. See if they dig in, or stay clear.

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Pattahabi · Mar 25, 2015

DonPetro said:
Hey man, do you know of any studies done on cannabis that shows these hormones, toxic chemicals, etc being taken up by the plant and being present in tissue samples? I would be interested in checking that out. Thank you.

DP, I don't know of any done on cannabis specifically. If I come across anything I will let you know.

st0wandgrow said:
Good to know. I buy their kelp meal and their Fish hydrolysate. I'm guessing that those two should be pretty clean... or not? lol

I often think about this. For how much longer, or even now, can we call stuff from the sea organic? Glorious times indeed.

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