"Water Soluble" Tea

I wanted to know if this all would be a good idea for a foliar spray / root drench. Everything is in powdered form and water soluble, so I'm not sure I would need to make a ACT or not.

Fulvic Acid
Humic Acid
Kelp
Silica
Enzymes
Molasses
Citric Acid
B Vitamins (Containing Vit. B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, & B9)
*Amino Acids

I would only use the Amino Acids a couple times during growth, because its NPK is 14-0-0

I want to mix the suggested servings into a sandwich bag to make a proprietary blend. How does that sound? Is it too much?

T macc said:

I wanted to know if this all would be a good idea for a foliar spray / root drench. Everything is in powdered form and water soluble, so I'm not sure I would need to make a ACT or not.

Fulvic Acid
Humic Acid
Kelp
Silica
Enzymes
Molasses
Citric Acid
B Vitamins (Containing Vit. B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, & B9)
*Amino Acids

I would only use the Amino Acids a couple times during growth, because its NPK is 14-0-0

I want to mix the suggested servings into a sandwich bag to make a proprietary blend. How does that sound? Is it too much?

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I simply don't know, and I know that's sounds like I'm a jag-off.. but if it were me, keep it more simple, all those seem to be overthinking, a good organic based soil will have everything in it it already needs.
14-0-0 doesn't sound organic.... unless its blood meal or bat guano or urine, those aren't a normal type NPK value.
I'd go with a reaaaally simple alfalfa, kelp, and molasses tea if you want a good nutrient tea. You'll gat a BUNCH of the micros that you are looking for in that, not to mention allllll the magic of alfalfa and kelp.
keep the silica too.
personally i'd have to investigate further to give you advice on the other stuff, no experience using them.
I know a good EWC topdress, will have pretty much damn near all the stuff you are looking for. Especially if you use the tea I mentioned.
You want to see some visible differences? Hell, i'd recommend coconut water, SSTs, and comfrey/dandelion teas, those are the stuff my man.

greasemonkeymann said:

I simply don't know, and I know that's sounds like I'm a jag-off.. but if it were me, keep it more simple, all those seem to be overthinking, a good organic based soil will have everything in it it already needs.
14-0-0 doesn't sound organic.... unless its blood meal or bat guano or urine, those aren't a normal type NPK value.
I'd go with a reaaaally simple alfalfa, kelp, and molasses tea if you want a good nutrient tea. You'll gat a BUNCH of the micros that you are looking for in that, not to mention allllll the magic of alfalfa and kelp.
keep the silica too.
personally i'd have to investigate further to give you advice on the other stuff, no experience using them.
I know a good EWC topdress, will have pretty much damn near all the stuff you are looking for. Especially if you use the tea I mentioned.
You want to see some visible differences? Hell, i'd recommend coconut water, SSTs, and comfrey/dandelion teas, those are the stuff my man.

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Thanks GreaseMonkey. I'm not sure what the Aminos are derived from. But they're listed as natural. The only thing that is listed standard (synthetic) is the B Vitamin Complex. I could leave it out.

So what's the deal with the coconut water and the Aloe vera? I'd never heard of using this stuff until yesterday. What are they supposed to do?

T macc said:

Thanks GreaseMonkey. I'm not sure what the Aminos are derived from. But they're listed as natural. The only thing that is listed standard (synthetic) is the B Vitamin Complex. I could leave it out.

So what's the deal with the coconut water and the Aloe vera? I'd never heard of using this stuff until yesterday. What are they supposed to do?

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ohhhhhh man.... coconut water, aloe, sprouted seed teas (ssts), fermented plant extracts...
got go do some nerding it up on those my man.
grasscity has some good stickys in the organics section, and this site does too.
If you are nice you could pm @Pattahabi ask him as well
he is a good source of information, not to mention a good stand up dude.
I'd explain all it in detail but i'm at work and I don't have the time right now

Go light on that citric acid if any at all. lactic Axid Bacteria serum would be more ideal... Also I woul implement an Integrated Pest management routine with what you have like Rosemary,cloves, lemongrass oils. But looks like a good start add work castings too

Sorry Bringing Up My old Post, but when should you start foliar spraying?

I was thinking of using Aloe/Coconut for the first two weeks and then do start everyrhing else after week three. Sound good? All the extra water would just get poured onto the plant as a root drench.

Also, I've decided against the B Vitamins and citric acid. I also ordered Sea 90, which I'm realizing was a stupid idea, since I already have Kelp.

T macc said:

Sorry Bringing Up My old Post, but when should you start foliar spraying?

I was thinking of using Aloe/Coconut for the first two weeks and then do start everyrhing else after week three. Sound good? All the extra water would just get poured onto the plant as a root drench.

Also, I've decided against the B Vitamins and citric acid. I also ordered Sea 90, which I'm realizing was a stupid idea, since I already have Kelp.

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you can foliar anytime you want, just not during flowering, and even still you could you'd just be playing with fire... mold..
But plants will absorb through the leaves all the time, the best time is during vege and the first 2-3 weeks of flowering, depending on the strain, sativas you can spray later than indicas, maturation speed, and bud density are the limiting factors

T macc said:

I wanted to know if this all would be a good idea for a foliar spray / root drench. Everything is in powdered form and water soluble, so I'm not sure I would need to make a ACT or not.

Fulvic Acid
Humic Acid
Kelp
Silica
Enzymes
Molasses
Citric Acid
B Vitamins (Containing Vit. B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, & B9)
*Amino Acids

I would only use the Amino Acids a couple times during growth, because its NPK is 14-0-0

I want to mix the suggested servings into a sandwich bag to make a proprietary blend. How does that sound? Is it too much?

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Imo you want to make a different recipe for foliar or drench. Humic acid, molasses and enzymes won't give you much benefit on the phyllosphere. The power of a true fulvic acid is the molecule is small enough to go through the leaf stomata and therefore is able to be foliared. I'd leave out aminos, b vitamins, and citric acid.

greasemonkeymann said:

ohhhhhh man.... coconut water, aloe, sprouted seed teas (ssts), fermented plant extracts...
got go do some nerding it up on those my man.
grasscity has some good stickys in the organics section, and this site does too.
If you are nice you could pm @Pattahabi ask him as well
he is a good source of information, not to mention a good stand up dude.
I'd explain all it in detail but i'm at work and I don't have the time right now

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Lol, I'm a big fan of copy paste. From some old coot who might know a thing or two:

“The big ones are Cytokinins, Gibberellins (GAs), Enzymes (in particular amylase, arylsulphatase, β-glucosidase, cellulase, chitinase, dehydrogenase, phosphatase, protease, and urease), Indole-3-Acetic Acid (IAA)……

Coconuts are one of the richest sources of Cytokinins which accelerates cell division in the plant which differs from how PGRs function.

HTH

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The ten main areas of chemical constituents of Aloe vera include: Amino Acids, Anthraquinones, Enzymes, Minerals, Vitamins, Lignins, Monosaccharide, Polysaccharides, Salicylic Acid, Saponins, And Sterols.
Amino acids found in Aloe vera include: Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Threonine, Valine,And Tryptophan. Some Of The Other Non-Essential Amino Acids Found In Aloe Vera Include Alanine, Arginine, Asparagine, Cysteine, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Histidine, Proline, Serine, Tyrosine, Glutamine, And Aspartic Acid.

Enzymes include Amylase, Bradykinase, Catalase, Cellulas, Lipase, Oxidase, Alkaline Phosphatase, Proteolytias, Creatine Phosphokinase and Carboxypeptidase.

Aloe vera also contains Vitamins B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, and B12 along with Choline, Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, Manganese, Chromium, Selenium. Additional elements found in Aloe vera include Copper, Iron, Potassium, Phosphorus, And Sodium.

Peace!

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Thank you both for your helpful replies.

GreaseMonkey, So you're saying there's no time frame for foliar spraying? Just go ahead and spray whenever after it sprouts?

Pattahabi, thanks for the info. I listed the humic, enzymes, & molasses more for the drench. But like I said, any extra mix I have in the bottle would go to the soil. So is there any negative effect of spraying with those? Or is it more just a waste of product?

T macc said:

Thank you both for your helpful replies.

GreaseMonkey, So you're saying there's no time frame for foliar spraying? Just go ahead and spray whenever after it sprouts?

Pattahabi, thanks for the info. I listed the humic, enzymes, & molasses more for the drench. But like I said, any extra mix I have in the bottle would go to the soil. So is there any negative effect of spraying with those? Or is it more just a waste of product?

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I have not foliared with molasses or enzymes, so I really can't comment on that. Humic acid may leave a little residue on the leaves, but I don't see any problem with foliaring. Maybe test a few branches before you spray the whole garden. Personally, I wouldn't use any molasses unless I was going to add microbes (ewc/vermicompost), or if you do, go light with it.

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Pattahabi said:

I have not foliared with molasses or enzymes, so I really can't comment on that. Humic acid may leave a little residue on the leaves, but I don't see any problem with foliaring. Maybe test a few branches before you spray the whole garden. Personally, I wouldn't use any molasses unless I was going to add microbes (ewc/vermicompost), or if you do, go light with it.

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So true!
molasses is a must have, but it can very easily be overdone, and honestly past it's use as a food stock for your AACT, I wouldn't recommend using it as a nutrient source.
I suppose MAYBE as an organic cal/mag, but.. meh... A good soil recipe won't need any of that. That's sorta the beauty of a good recipe, like we've discussed before, you have nutrients that do multiple things at once.

T macc said:

Thank you both for your helpful replies.

GreaseMonkey, So you're saying there's no time frame for foliar spraying? Just go ahead and spray whenever after it sprouts?

Pattahabi, thanks for the info. I listed the humic, enzymes, & molasses more for the drench. But like I said, any extra mix I have in the bottle would go to the soil. So is there any negative effect of spraying with those? Or is it more just a waste of product?

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nah, no time frame really..
Hell, if you are careful and ONLY spray the sunleaves you could foliar spray until harvest if you wanted.. probably wouldn't really be useful at that point though, but my point is the plant will happily take any nutrients via the leaves, just gotta be super careful about adding humidity if you have some tight nugs, even fluffy nugs don't like moisture.