Watering, eh…kindly asking for some advice.

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wallywonks

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ashashdf69 said:
I agree with all of you! Bit i really could not tell the diference when weighing with hand.
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Im using 7 gal smart pots for first time this 2nd grow. Rule of thumb is 20% of pot size is how much water you need.
So 7 gal pot is 1.4 gal of water. 5 gal pot is 1 gal of water. Last grow I used 5 gal pots and after using 1 gal of water it started to come out the bottom of the pots. You cant overwater fabric pots. As long as your soil has 30-40% aeration from Perlite or pumice you'll be good

The weight is a big difference when using the larger pots. Idk your tent size but if its 2X4 than 2 - 5 gal pots is perfect. Just defoliate and trim as needed mid to late veg to improve airflow and reduce chance of mold or mildew.
 
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Markshomegrown

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You can get away with lower humidity if you use larger pots and give the plants less food, as they will drink more water.
I would double the pot size and half the food, it's not ideal but you can still pull a good crop.
Used to grow in a loft in the summer and I had high temps (35c) and low humidity 35-40%, sometimes you just have to work with what you have got, I used a large swamp cooler 10ltrs a day, and the humidity went up like 2% and the temps dropped 2c total waste of time.
 
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ashashdf69

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wallywonks said:
Im using 7 gal smart pots for first time this 2nd grow. Rule of thumb is 20% of pot size is how much water you need.
So 7 gal pot is 1.4 gal of water. 5 gal pot is 1 gal of water. Last grow I used 5 gal pots and after using 1 gal of water it started to come out the bottom of the pots. You cant overwater fabric pots. As long as your soil has 30-40% aeration from Perlite or pumice you'll be good

The weight is a big difference when using the larger pots. Idk your tent size but if its 2X4 than 2 - 5 gal pots is perfect. Just defoliate and trim as needed mid to late veg to improve airflow and reduce chance of mold or mildew.
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Yes, next time it will be two flowers in bigger pots.
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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Fishmon said:
I'll probably be laughed off the board but I'll make a suggestion. Get a moisture meter. I got one about 16.00 on Amazon and it saved my plant. There are a blue million varieties but the one I got is a gold color teardrop shaped head. It works. One of my two plants started having slow then no growth. Leaf clusters clawing down. Pretty sure I hadn't overwatered but used the meter. Noticed meter read fairly consistent low green range down through the pot then in the lower 1/3rd it pegged wet. These are in 5 gal fabric pots. Probed in several locations and always pegged wet in the same area. Checked my other plant with it and found moisture was fairly consistent down the pot then rose somewhat near the bottom but nothing like the other one.. In my feeble mind I could only think of two possibilities...1 being a lower root issue and 2 being a ph or nutrient lockout. Using a decent Apera ph meter in calibration I doubted a ph issue. Long story shorter I decided to flush. First bit of runoff measured over 2000 ppm. I'd been feeding 1/2 doses of nutes so that reading puzzled me. Continued to flush until I got below 600 then last jug I put in had 1/4 dose nutes and a tablespoon of miko bliss. It has perked back up. Leaves praying and plant grown about 3-4" in 5 days. More experienced growers are more in tune with plant needs, likes, and dislikes. Us newbies need crutches sometimes. Our first thoughts usually are to give a sick plant something to make it better when in reality it's balking because we've overdone something. My two were random seeds born the same day. I treated them both the same way. One flourished the other got sick. The little moisture gadget pointed me in the right direction. It's good for more than just telling you to water or not. Watering needs change over time also. Sorry for such a long post. Get well soon.
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Nobody going to laugh you off anywhere, don't worry. The reason you got a 2000ppm runoff reading is most likely because you are using FFOF soil or some other type of "hot" soil. By flushing your plant many times over you just released all of the nutrients built up in the soil.
 
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Markshomegrown said:
You can get away with lower humidity if you use larger pots and give the plants less food, as they will drink more water.
I would double the pot size and half the food, it's not ideal but you can still pull a good crop.
Used to grow in a loft in the summer and I had high temps (35c) and low humidity 35-40%, sometimes you just have to work with what you have got, I used a large swamp cooler 10ltrs a day, and the humidity went up like 2% and the temps dropped 2c total waste of time.
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I guess it depends on your room. I use a swamp cooler in my mother room, and it goes through about 18 gallons in a 24 hour period. Keeps the mother tent at 65% rh. It's ran out of water (I only use condensate water), and it got down to 22%. It's super cold and dry here right now. I have a window unit in that room, and the heat just sucks the humidity out pretty quick.
It's a PortaCool 110. I had used well water in it for a couple of years, and I just changed out the honeycomb medium in it about a month ago. After the old one had dried out on my porch, the wind blew it over and it split in half!... so much calcium had built up on it, that's why I've started collecting condensate from the main rooms mini split. ... it makes about 1.2- 1.5 gallons of condensate per hour, and it runs much cleaner now with 2 ppm instead of my well water at 320ppm.
 
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ashashdf69

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32 days since the switch.
How do they look?
I think i am not overfeeding, how does it look to you? Keeping it at 50% of recomended flower dose, i still add a little bit of N, especially to the one that looks most light.
Do you think I will get 20g from each plant? They are in 1,7 gal pots…

and i found out what was the problem with watering…i poured to much water at once so it did not get in to the soil enough. I use now dripper, they drink 3dcl per 2 days.

i hope I do not forget all the lessons i learned till next grow (september)…
 

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Shaded420

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Well you made the mistake of going into flower before getting deficiencies in check so this should be interesting :wall:

These plants look stressed out, hungry and not healthy at all.
 
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ashashdf69

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Shaded420 said:
Well you made the mistake of going into flower before getting deficiencies in check so this should be interesting :wall:

These plants look stressed out, hungry and not healthy at all.
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It should be intereseting:D

i had to put the in flower since I am leaving my home for a while and they need to be finished.

ok, so if I inderstand correctly they are not overfed.

i hope for the best, and will be more experienced next time…

thanks for the input!
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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ashashdf69 said:
It should be intereseting:D

i had to put the in flower since I am leaving my home for a while and they need to be finished.

ok, so if I inderstand correctly they are not overfed.

i hope for the best, and will be more experienced next time…

thanks for the input!
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If your plants were OVERFED you would see nutrient burn on NEW growth. You are seeing yellowing on the oldest/lowest growth which is signs of a deficiency. But there are other issues as well that appear to be environmental. Leaf structure and shape is very odd.

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Lots of things to tackle here.
 
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ashashdf69

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Shaded420 said:
If your plants were OVERFED you would see nutrient burn on NEW growth. You are seeing yellowing on the oldest/lowest growth which is signs of a deficiency. But there are other issues as well that appear to be environmental. Leaf structure and shape is very odd.

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Lots of things to tackle here.
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Thanks for explanation.

the plant you posted, was most uderwatered for a while and had very low humidity (30% or below) most of the veg. It is actually looking better now than before. So it was really bad :).
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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ashashdf69 said:
Thanks for explanation.

the plant you posted, was most uderwatered for a while and had very low humidity (30% or below) most of the veg. It is actually looking better now than before. So it was really bad :).
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Yeah chances are humidity is off, low temps with all the purple going on, watering inconsistency and nutrient issues...lots of stuff to take in :p

At least you're here and having fun!
 
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ashashdf69

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Shaded420 said:
Yeah chances are humidity is off, low temps with all the purple going on, watering inconsistency and nutrient issues...lots of stuff to take in :p

At least you're here and having fun!
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It is fun! Specially with good vent and filter, so there are no worries with smell.
Hopefully I can reduce mistakes for atleast 50% next grow.

thank you for the conversation man!
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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ashashdf69 said:
It is fun! Specially with good vent and filter, so there are no worries with smell.
Hopefully I can reduce mistakes for atleast 50% next grow.

thank you for the conversation man!
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Your next grows will only get better as you get into a groove! Less is more in most cases these plants are not difficult to grow. They have some basic requirements and once you hit/maintain them the plants just take off.
 
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ashashdf69

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Shaded420 said:
Your next grows will only get better as you get into a groove! Less is more in most cases these plants are not difficult to grow. They have some basic requirements and once you hit/maintain them the plants just take off.
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Hey, i think i am getting better!!!

i think the container size was the difference.

now using 4gal pots instead of 1,5.
 

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