Watering/Feeding in flower.

chemphlegm · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Some of my more Haze leaning stuff really takes off in potency and complexity and flavor at a new level around then.

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I've pondered this too with the same findings. I propose that after a lengthy decarboxylation/aged/jarred the chemical changes taking place simply make my (pure)sativas more pleasurable to me than (pure)indica's do after the same .

like as if my harvested sativas have been harvested early. if I harvest any mj early it sucks to me, and gets a little better with some age. I dont claim to understand whats going on, and I like T bone steaks too.....
ya keep on doing what you've always done if you like the results you've always had.

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

Johnei said:
What GrnMonStr said, They look on the verge you're gonna get Nitrogen overdose if you ocontinue as you have. I think I even see a claw or two in the pics(N overdose). I'd back off on the nutrients from the way they look.

Overwatering is the worst thing you can do. You can water them well saturating the medium, but don't keep them wet, Air to the roots is KEY.

Plants look awesome, but stop or severely reduce the amount of Nitrogen rich fertilizer you are feeding now for a bumper crop.

His N is a bit high - nothing to worry about and a minor and I do mean minor reduction in N would work. Thing is he's running a single part "bloom" nutrient. So, he can't.
I know that line and he really doesn't have to stop or reduce anything at this point. Simply because the N issue, did not come from the nutrient!

I might suspect that the "extra" N came from him starting his nutrient use, before the soil was depleted enough.

Continue on as before.

Next time watch the plant for signs of lowering N and then start nutrient as the soil has been depleted enough to begin feeding. Note that date - move it 5 days back and in following runs. THAT is the day you begin nutrient use in that strain.

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

chemphlegm said:
if you're going to feed them to the end what do you expect from two days of water only?
try several containers of the same strain flowering at the same time, try all the tricks and keep them numbered
with good records, fade to finish, plug with nitrogen, feed to end , water only, 6 month jar, or 3 week dry, etc..each one....you'll have the answers once and for all. I'm guessing its a personal preference at this point. I like to watch my outdoor fruit trees, vegetables. if I fertilize my tomatoes the week before harvest they taste like a golf course green smells. if I dont though, and water them in their last weeks they're perfect off the vine. My fruit trees begin to brown leaves naturally at the end of their season. less light, less frass, less bio activity in the root zone, less overall food and water too. voila....but feed weed to the end you increase your vegetable matter hence more weight, if selling you get more cash. problem is you have to sweat/ferment those off flavors/unburned carbs off before it tastes normal . thats my experience, others differ.
my buddy fed molasses to his flowers and they tasted like shit, keep that in mind, they dont get molasses in nature, but its awesome in roast beef

water, dry, repeat.

6 month jar? Try 6 weeks - after drying proper - That's my minimum - 8 weeks is better.....

chemphlegm · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
6 month jar? Try 6 weeks - after drying proper - That's my minimum - 8 weeks is better.....

read closely "good records, fade to finish, plug with nitrogen, feed to end , water only, 6 month jar, or 3 week dry, "etc"..each one"

just like feed to the end, plug with nitrogen, water only....these are examples of some techniques I've read in this forum this week.
whatever silliness op wishes to practice the point is "keep good records" as in finger in butt on tuesday, 6 month jar, feed to end, or whatever he may fancy as a chosen technique for finishing. could be 1 week jar, could be 6 months, could be pins and needles in the stalks, burying till it molds, soaking in water, seen 'em all here.

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

Simply dry and cure properly.

To cure properly. You must have over 52% RH in the material. I use Bovida 62 packs. Going to try some 58's.....a trusted friend says he likes them better. 4% doesn't sound like much but, worth a try....

I do find Indica's to benefit from the "cure" period as far as taste and potency...... There are factor's that simply make it better.

As MMG said(in a way), it shows at 6 weeks but 8 is far better.

Same time used for my COB style curing. 8 weeks........ Now that shit, really improves the buzz quality.....Time loss and very trippy is normal fare.

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

chemphlegm said:
read closely "good records, fade to finish, plug with nitrogen, feed to end , water only, 6 month jar, or 3 week dry, "etc"..each one"

just like feed to the end, plug with nitrogen, water only....these are examples of some techniques I've read in this forum this week.
whatever silliness op wishes to practice the point is "keep good records" as in finger in butt on tuesday, 6 month jar, feed to end, or whatever he may fancy as a chosen technique for finishing. could be 1 week jar, could be 6 months, cold be pins and needles in the stalks, burying till it molds, soaking in water, seen 'em all here.

LOL...

chemphlegm · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Simply dry and cure properly.

To cure properly. You must have over 52% RH in the material. I use Bovida 62 packs. Going to try some 58's.....a trusted friend says he likes them better. 4% doesn't sound like much but, worth a try....

I do find Indica's to benefit from the "cure" period as far as taste and potency...... There are factor's that simply make it better.

As MMG said(in a way), it shows at 6 weeks but 8 is far better.

Same time used for my COB style curing. 8 weeks........ Now that shit, really improves the buzz quality.....Time loss and very trippy is normal fare.

I'm concerned with the word better here. when some people actually prefer a early harvest of clear/milk when others experience heart palpitation doing the same, and when some people prefer to spray flavor drops on their weed instead of naturally tasting, and both claim this is better than alternatives......better is a moot point when preferences are considered as personal ones aye?

more thc is not better necessarily depending upon expectations, needs, lifestyle, usage times/reason/health etc, yet some say the more thc the better, while others puke and sleep it off maybe? so better to one is not necessarily better for the next.
like saying vicodin is better than codeine ...could be, depending on who/what/when/why right?

as in "a proper grow and a controlled dry for finish is better than any jarred cure" = thats my experience shared with many here, perhaps subjective ?
comprehende amigo

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Simply dry and cure properly.

To cure properly. You must have over 52% RH in the material. I use Bovida 62 packs. Going to try some 58's.....a trusted friend says he likes them better. 4% doesn't sound like much but, worth a try....

I do find Indica's to benefit from the "cure" period as far as taste and potency...... There are factor's that simply make it better.

As MMG said(in a way), it shows at 6 weeks but 8 is far better.

Same time used for my COB style curing. 8 weeks........ Now that shit, really improves the buzz quality.....Time loss and very trippy is normal fare.

I think when you say "(in a way)" you mean that my 2 week jarred strains still need the other 6 weeks for best results. No?

Well I only partially agree. Because some of the fast and smokable strains seem to get "softer" as they mature. I don't know any other way to put it but "duller". Like the spark of the fresh high has subsided.

Where the Thai heavy strains get smoother, lemonier (or grapefruitier) and hit harder over time.

With my strains in my garden anyway. ;-)

But I think that is where special differences in breeders visions come in to play. The time to dry and taste good can be genetically worked just like the flowering time. maybe the breeders took this into account and brought out the good early flavor.

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

chemphlegm said:
I'm concerned with the word better here. when some people actually prefer a early harvest of clear/milk when others experience heart palpitation doing the same, and when some people prefer to spray flavor drops on their weed instead of naturally tasting, and both claim this is better than alternatives......better is a moot point when preferences are considered as personal ones aye?

more thc is not better necessarily depending upon expectations, needs, lifestyle, usage times/reason/health etc, yet some say the more thc the better, while others puke and sleep it off maybe? so better to one is not necessarily better for the next.
like saying vicodin is better than codeine ...could be, depending on who/what/when/why right?

as in "a proper grow and a controlled dry for finish is better than any jarred cure" = thats my experience shared with many here, perhaps subjective ?
comprehende amigo

Quite subjective!

The THC does not "rise". The compounds that make up the Thc profile are changed to make things feel stronger by effect. A to D9 and remember that terps have been found to play a roll in the type of perceived buzz - etc, etc.

We've been over your choice before. I, still choose to cure "properly" - :mrgreen:

I learned years ago when to harvest for what I feel is the best result. Early harvest is not good. On another point. Many of the strains I've been running lately.......Do not amber - at all! These strains are the one's that really benefit from an 8 week cure - some a bit more. The terp profile is really brought out this way - in them anyway.

I feel the issue of "amber" is now slowly falling by the wayside. I still have strains that "amber" and when I run them. You betcha, I'm paying close attention to the coloring of the trich's.

chemphlegm · Jun 18, 2017

I experience a similar dulling off of effects, more tiring, more slack jaw, more couch maybe with old oil. I'll forget about a spot from a few months ago and yuck. but for eating this seems to be better(decarb prolly?) . I started playin gwith this, storage, etc and decarb was my conclusion. If I decarb good dried weed in the oven its the same effects, dull, sleepy, slack jawed, yuck(for me)some will ultimately require a fully decarb'd product for their bliss no doubt in my mind. an aged weed is more decarb'd than a dried 3 week one. that would be better for someone needing a more decarb'd weed...makes sense to me.

If I was in death pain every day I'd want to smoke old weed and old oil. Fresh dried would drive me crazy not being able to express my self normally anymore for the pain......the older the weed the more sedative the effects(for me and mine)

that is not to say that smoking fresh cut buds is pleasant either, I start sampling in a few days, its awesome, then as it goes another week it settles down a little, a little more a week or two later=done. If it was just me I'd say ignore my findings but many people experience the same findings so personal chemotype is a good explanation. some weed sends a paranoid girl to the corner of a room while another user becomes a public speaker comedian=differing chemotypes

chemphlegm · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Quite subjective!

The THC does not "rise". The compounds that make up the Thc profile are changed to make things feel stronger by effect. A to D9 and remember that terps have been found to play a roll in the type of perceived buzz - etc, etc.
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nor did I imply that thc did rise because of aging/jarring etc.
the reference is only to show the differing preferences that exist among us. as in

nothing to do with thc rising, anymore than vicodin in the cure, only to do with the word "better" being very subjective. "more thc is better"

read slower for better understanding

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
I think when you say "(in a way)" you mean that my 2 week jarred strains still need the other 6 weeks for best results. No?

Well I only partially agree. Because some of the fast and smokable strains seem to get "softer" as they mature. I don't know any other way to put it but "duller". Like the spark of the fresh high has subsided.

Where the Thai heavy strains get smoother, lemonier (or grapefruitier) and hit harder over time.

With my strains in my garden anyway.

But I think that is where special differences in breeders visions come in to play. The time to dry and taste good can be genetically worked just like the flowering time. maybe the breeders took this into account and brought out the good early flavor.

Yup, at least for "me" those type of strains are still getting better for those 6 weeks....

Our strains differ a lot. My guess might be that your more partial to the sativa and as those more Indica strains are cured....The sativa effect is reduced by the actual aging of the compounds..... Those sativa compounds aging more out of that type of high?

My first guess anyway.

I have not found that issue in my strains...... I'll back my guess with the fact that pure Indica's don't seem to have that effect your bringing up - as they cure.....

I have some new higher Indica strains coming in the bloom here soon... I'll be testing your theory on them and with a cpl of high sativa ones and compare.

I agree 100% on the sativa's increasing in power/type of buzz... Interesting point though! Enough that I'll focus on it a bit..

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

chemphlegm said:
nor did I imply that thc did rise because of aging/jarring etc.
the reference is only to show the differing preferences that exist among us. as in

nothing to do with thc rising, anymore than vicodin in the cure, only to do with the word "better" being very subjective. "more thc is better"

read slower for better understanding

But, technically, The actual word - "more" does not fit then does it? You said "more", so live with it -- :fire:

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

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chemphlegm said:
I'm concerned with the word better here. when some people actually prefer a early harvest of clear/milk when others experience heart palpitation doing the same, and when some people prefer to spray flavor drops on their weed instead of naturally tasting, and both claim this is better than alternatives......better is a moot point when preferences are considered as personal ones aye?

more thc is not better necessarily depending upon expectations, needs, lifestyle, usage times/reason/health etc, yet some say the more thc the better, while others puke and sleep it off maybe? so better to one is not necessarily better for the next.
like saying vicodin is better than codeine ...could be, depending on who/what/when/why right?

as in "a proper grow and a controlled dry for finish is better than any jarred cure" = thats my experience shared with many here, perhaps subjective ?
comprehende amigo

Jarring and burping or using essentially a humidor room accomplish exactly the same thing.

The jars are just little humidors that are hand vented to maintain levels instead. And to slow down the process.

I think it was developed out of necessity. Hard to have all the maintained rooms needed for perfect results. It's a compromise.

I am going to have to wonder if @chemphlegm is right until I can build a proper drying/storing room.

Another respected grower I believe @Odin* said the same. Dried and stored and ready all in the same place.

I wish I had one. The one I am envisioning would be amazing to be in. :-)

What are the parameters you keep for it chem, Odin?

Dr Magill · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who - on the strains that don't amber how do you determine the best harvest timing?

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Yup, at least for "me" those type of strains are still getting better for those 6 weeks....

Our strains differ a lot. My guess might be that your more partial to the sativa and as those more Indica strains are cured....The sativa effect is reduced by the actual aging of the compounds..... Those sativa compounds aging more out of that type of high?

My first guess anyway.

I have not found that issue in my strains...... I'll back my guess with the fact that pure Indica's don't seem to have that effect your bringing up - as they cure.....

I have some new higher Indica strains coming in the bloom here soon... I'll be testing your theory on them and with a cpl of high sativa ones and compare.

I agree 100% on the sativa's increasing in power/type of buzz... Interesting point though! Enough that I'll focus on it a bit..

I don't think it's an "issue". It is desirable to the couchlock sleepy weed crowd. It's real mature cbd's taking effect in the hybrid.

I should have said I feel it's duller.

I like strains fully done ripening that have a sparkly enhancing electric high that encompasses the whole body and mind.

I am not partial to marijuana that just incapacitated me. Or kept me tuned out.

If I want that I just need more of what I already like to smoke. Or an edible made from a salad even better.

I have not grown any pure sativas or indicas as I have said but I sure have smoked amazing examples of both. In hash form as well and I would like to explore lowland indicas more in the future.

One mostly indica hybrid I really think has an amazing clean uplifting high was Magus Genetics Warlock.

Black Domina was similar to me. But more flavorful and less electric.

MichiganMedGrower · Jun 18, 2017

chemphlegm said:
I experience a similar dulling off of effects, more tiring, more slack jaw, more couch maybe with old oil. I'll forget about a spot from a few months ago and yuck. but for eating this seems to be better(decarb prolly?) . I started playin gwith this, storage, etc and decarb was my conclusion. If I decarb good dried weed in the oven its the same effects, dull, sleepy, slack jawed, yuck(for me)some will ultimately require a fully decarb'd product for their bliss no doubt in my mind. an aged weed is more decarb'd than a dried 3 week one. that would be better for someone needing a more decarb'd weed...makes sense to me.

If I was in death pain every day I'd want to smoke old weed and old oil. Fresh dried would drive me crazy not being able to express my self normally anymore for the pain......the older the weed the more sedative the effects(for me and mine)

that is not to say that smoking fresh cut buds is pleasant either, I start sampling in a few days, its awesome, then as it goes another week it settles down a little, a little more a week or two later=done. If it was just me I'd say ignore my findings but many people experience the same findings so personal chemotype is a good explanation. some weed sends a paranoid girl to the corner of a room while another user becomes a public speaker comedian=differing chemotypes

I have experienced all of this.

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

Dr Magill said:
Dr. Who - on the strains that don't amber how do you determine the best harvest timing?

You fall back to bulking of the buds as slowing to a crawl and the "crawl" is more like foxtailing. That - foxtailing, is a sign used as an indicator of finish in many pure to landrace types of sativa.
You also look for the calyx's to swell and the pistils to recede into them. Foxtailing is simply new calyx's forming on those that have already swelled and pistils receded into them.
The trich's must also be cloudy. At a point the trich heads will still fall off the buds at a point beyond the actual harvest day.

In all, it takes more attention and experience to "find the sweet spot" for harvesting. Reached the point where it's plain to me by observation....

Dr. Who · Jun 18, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
I don't think it's an "issue". It is desirable to the couchlock sleepy weed crowd. It's real mature cbd's taking effect in the hybrid.

I should have said I feel it's duller.

I like strains fully done ripening that have a sparkly enhancing electric high that encompasses the whole body and mind.

I am not partial to marijuana that just incapacitated me. Or kept me tuned out.

If I want that I just need more of what I already like to smoke. Or an edible made from a salad even better.

I have not grown any pure sativas or indicas as I have said but I sure have smoked amazing examples of both. In hash form as well and I would like to explore lowland indicas more in the future.

One mostly indica hybrid I really think has an amazing clean uplifting high was Magus Genetics Warlock.

Black Domina was similar to me. But more flavorful and less electric.

AGREED.

In playing with my GG#4 cut. The longer I run it to my point of harvest. Including the supplements I give, at the right times. I found I can get a rather Grape & Berry nose and taste out of it. I can get 3 differing nose and taste profiles from it. That end depends on feeding and supplement factors.
Each will have distinct and different buzz profiles/results, IF I cure them out to 8 weeks at 62% RH in the container used.

You have a very "classic" type GG4 result.
One that increases the classic in that way and,,,
A very intense hallucinogenic effect that can give "time loss" and be quite, stupefying. LONG lasting buzz but, the increased trippy/time loss part. Does not carry on over the first hr. Pvt testing does show differing amounts of THC compounds in different concentrations.

This is what got me interested in soil micro contents effecting THC and CBD compound levels in finished materials. That's another thread and we've done that one already - pretty much. :wink:

COB curing makes this type of effect come out in about every strain I've COBed.....The trippy/time loss part.....lasts longer too. This little nugget of info (observation), ties directly to how styles of curing can effect the final result also....

:hump:

Creature1969 · Jun 18, 2017

Dr. Who said:
You fall back to bulking of the buds as slowing to a crawl and the "crawl" is more like foxtailing. That - foxtailing, is a sign used as an indicator of finish in many pure to landrace types of sativa.
You also look for the calyx's to swell and the pistils to recede into them. Foxtailing is simply new calyx's forming on those that have already swelled and pistils receded into them.
These must also be cloudy. At a point the trich heads will still fall off the buds at a point beyond the actual harvest day.

In all, it takes more attention and experience to "find the sweet spot" for harvesting. Reached the point where it's plain to me by observation....

This is making me wonder if my sativa's are actually finished as I'm assuming. They're near 100% cloudy trics. 1 has red pistils that have mostly receded and the other is mostly red pistils and starting to foxtail like crazy. I snipped a bud yesterday to try as soon as it dries enough.

I haven't grown nearly enough to tell by the look of the buds. I've been waiting for signs of amber but no joy. Then again, I've only seen amber on 1 plant of the 5 I've harvested. I even let a few go way too long waiting for amber only to have tric heads start turning black.

Watering/Feeding in flower.

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