Watts = volts x amps

1212ham said:

Too funny. He points out they stop without wind and you speculate about excess power in hurricane winds.
They don't make excess power in hurricane winds, they shut down.

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net metering. thanks for coming out.

hurricane was hyperbole, any excess will do.

this (i.e, my interest in wind -- I'm just asking questions, not selling turbines) is meant to be a cheap alternative to gassing up multiple generators during/immediately after an actual hurricane and also producing just enough power to help avoid tripping unless/until I can find a cool electrician or my electrician friend takes a break from his f'ing reggae band.

aggregate gains, not power lifting.

rkymtnman said:

such a difference in a legal state. we have sparkys advertising as "grow friendly" here in CO.

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Definitely
But back in the bad old days in MI
I always had a handful of various contractors on my Xmas list
Just smart business

these wind turbines on ebay are usually considered as junk.
good wind turbines do exist but those arent.
in general this technique isnt as advanced as solar is today.
what you can prob do is check out for 2 x 400 panels with a 600w inverter.
600w are never considered as a problem and therefore legal without chanigng anything much on your electrical installation.
in some countries they sell sets, ready to plug in to your wall (the plug syncs with the net before swithcing on for safety, the net and you).
check your local laws what is allowed to put in to the grid.
dont expect too much, it gonna work only in summer and not allday, if its cloudy... your fuse may trip...
one can put a lot efforts in battery systems, but it gets complicated (needs a electrician) and normally its not worth it for such a small unit.
...well i guess you aim for more then a few hundred watt help anyway, but above is doable, called balcony power plant.
you can of course always go big with solar, lots of panles, hybrid inverter and a big bat, needs money and a electrician, bypass is prob cheaper.

Those plug-in grid-tie inverters are not legal in the US. Availability, regulations and pricing of grid-tie varies from state to state.

Apostatize said:

net metering. thanks for coming out.

hurricane was hyperbole, any excess will do.

this (i.e, my interest in wind -- I'm just asking questions, not selling turbines) is meant to be a cheap alternative to gassing up multiple generators during/immediately after an actual hurricane and also producing just enough power to help avoid tripping unless/until I can find a cool electrician or my electrician friend takes a break from his f'ing reggae band.

aggregate gains, not power lifting.

How Do Solar Panels Work?

You've probably seen solar panels on satellites, call boxes, road signs, homes and businesses. But how do solar panels work?

science.howstuffworks.com

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That's cute. What good is net metering with a toy turbine? A wind turbine installation capable of generating kilowatts will cost thousands. Less if you DIY.

Here's a reality check, a very reputable manufacturer and an old price list.

1212ham said:

That's cute. What good is net metering with a toy turbine? A wind turbine installation capable of generating kilowatts will cost thousands. Less if you DIY.

Here's a reality check, a very reputable manufacturer and an old price list.

Home - Bergey Windpower Co.

“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away” -Antoine de St. Exupery

www.bergey.com

Bergey wind Turbines and towers at low prices.

Bergey wind turbine and tower Dealer and installer in Michigan. We know wind turbines!

www.eventhorizonsolar.com

http://www.bergey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/685d0a6f733ef2bbd913a05d15e442cd.pdf

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What's wrong with people? Be persuasive, be convincing, but why be a dick? I'm sorry your life sucks so bad you have to be an internet tyrant.

A wind turbine that actually produces 12 kW of power is going to cost tens of thousands of dollars. Those cheap things on Amazon will not do what you need.

Apostatize said:

What's wrong with people? Be persuasive, be convincing, but why be a dick? I'm sorry your life sucks so bad you have to be an internet tyrant.

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bk78, note that I started the thread doubting that the wind turbine on Amazon works as advertised. Hence, the post/question. So, I don't need blowhards leaning into me like I'm on team cheap wind energy. But whatever, people reveal who they are every chance they get.

I'll just have to save up for solar panels and probably buy two or three backup generators in the meantime. I'm curious about wind. For details, I'll call a company in Missouri, that's been in business since 2008.

Apostatize said:

bk78, note that I started the thread doubting that the wind turbine on Amazon works as advertised. Hence, the post/question. So, I don't need blowhards leaning into me like I'm on team cheap wind energy. But whatever, people reveal who they are every chance they get.

I'll just have to save up for solar panels and probably buy two or three backup generators in the meantime. I'm curious about wind. For details, I'll call a company in Missouri, that's been in business since 2008.

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You haven’t changed a bit since the day you joined. No need to type paragraph after paragraph because I sad faced your comment.

Apostatize said:

bk78, note that I started the thread doubting that the wind turbine on Amazon works as advertised. Hence, the post/question. So, I don't need blowhards leaning into me like I'm on team cheap wind energy. But whatever, people reveal who they are every chance they get.

I'll just have to save up for solar panels and probably buy two or three backup generators in the meantime. I'm curious about wind. For details, I'll call a company in Missouri, that's been in business since 2008.

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Missouri Wind and Solar?

Apostatize said:

If there are hurricane winds and the wind turbine produces more energy than you're currently using, does it just throw away the excess? Worst case, I believe your power company buys the excess from you if you can't use it later.

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Commercial windmills feather their blades when wind exceeds a certain level or the unit will fail. Overall, commercial windmills operate in the low 20's as a percent of their name plate capacity.

1212ham said:

Those plug-in grid-tie inverters are not legal in the US. Availability, regulations and pricing of grid-tie varies from state to state.

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what a shame they are illegal, there are hundred of thousands installations allready in first world countries and many studies made.
Even with oldest in house cabling, never a problem.
Not that the guys in Calfornia cant do a lot of their power needs for quite cheap on their own... really a shame.

These Solar DIY sets do have a quite good ROI, depending on your power rate and growers can use the energy very well.

Could you link one of those plug-in units?

bk78 said:

You haven’t changed a bit since the day you joined. No need to type paragraph after paragraph because I sad faced your comment.

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sure have changed. peep my cork upgrade. i still have yards of plastic-coated wiring but i used up all my rubber stoppers.

Apostatize said:

net metering. thanks for coming out.

hurricane was hyperbole, any excess will do.

this (i.e, my interest in wind -- I'm just asking questions, not selling turbines) is meant to be a cheap alternative to gassing up multiple generators during/immediately after an actual hurricane and also producing just enough power to help avoid tripping unless/until I can find a cool electrician or my electrician friend takes a break from his f'ing reggae band.

aggregate gains, not power lifting.

How Do Solar Panels Work?

You've probably seen solar panels on satellites, call boxes, road signs, homes and businesses. But how do solar panels work?

science.howstuffworks.com

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Do you actually believe that it is wise to plan that a windmill will be a source of power after a hurricane?

I think you might be going about stuff the wrong way: if you dont have enough amps on your installation you can try to grow with less watts per area: use autos instead for a at least 20 hour cycle.
My i built some lights for my buddys grow, was 100w for about 7 square foot so about 15w per. He finished the grow with around 350g so 50 per. If you scale this to a 4x4 youd get around 230 watts/800g per 4x4. Power consumption for the 20 hour cycle would be about the same as a 400w 12/12 grow. Not bad at all, especially when you need to squeeze the max out of your amps. You could do a 8x8 at 1000 watts of light which should cover a decent size of any garage with power left over for environmentals. And the low watts for longer times usually means less trouble with cooling. Heating winter time can be an issue but you can use gas burners which dont use power, or just some basic agri heating mats instead of full on ac/radiator; heat the plant directly instead of heating the air to heat the plants.


Another version of this would be 2 12/12 on a flipflop schedule.

The nice thing about autos is that you eliminate downtime for veg cycle, or alternatively the extra space and power for veg room.

Theres also some reasons to argue that when you use lower light intensity but for longer times the spectrum matters more.
The light was based around 90cri diodes (bridgelux vesta) which are a bit heavier in red, aswell as having about 12% of power dedicated to red supplementation: 630 and 660nm.

You do need a good supplier of auto seeds though, but if you get a hang of if you can just self your plant for feminzed auto seeds. Ive never tried this myself so i dont know how well it would work but in theory its the same way they do it at the breeders.

Edit: going for a long leave of absence from riu, hope you all enjoy yourselves grow many buds and dont strangle eachother while growing green. No point being here if we all cant just be half decent.
Ill be back if i can somehow either get back to growing/consulting or if i can get any of my cool ideas of to an actual production stage. Some of you have my email, dont be a stranger, hit me up on the outside.

"If you get on the wrong train, every stop will be the wrong one"

Rocket Soul said:

Edit: going for a long leave of absence from riu, hope you all enjoy yourselves grow many buds and dont strangle eachother while growing green. No point being here if we all cant just be half decent.
Ill be back if i can somehow either get back to growing/consulting or if i can get any of my cool ideas of to an actual production stage. Some of you have my email, dont be a stranger, hit me up on the outside.

"If you get on the wrong train, every stop will be the wrong one"

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... good luck to you man, thankyou for all the knowledge you have shared over the years.
i hope your future is as bright as the led's we all have built together!...

live long and prosper Rocket Soul...

Instead of having everything run simultaneously, I now have flower running when veg is off except for like 4 hours of overlap during the day. I have one flowering light off during the overlap and have it set to turn on as soon as the overlap ends; and I have an extra exhaust fan and veg light doing the same. I run individual bar lights, so I can tweak #s a little.

So, that'll do for now but thanks for the info. I'll digest that more over the next few days.

1212ham said:

Could you link one of those plug-in units?

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i just bought me this

but youre right, having problems finding such a set in US.
nothing special about these sets, theyre limited to 600 or 800w by the inverter (depending on your local laws).
These inverters need to feature a protective mechansim, syncing to the grid, most if not all inverters made for this purpose should offer this.
i think they sell "growatt" inverters in the US?

some english forum i could find on the quick.
there should be some to read if one want to know.

I think these units are sensefull, good for the enviroment and yourself.

Rocket Soul said:

Edit: going for a long leave of absence from riu, hope you all enjoy yourselves grow many buds and dont strangle eachother while growing green. No point being here if we all cant just be half decent.
Ill be back if i can somehow either get back to growing/consulting or if i can get any of my cool ideas of to an actual production stage. Some of you have my email, dont be a stranger, hit me up on the outside.

"If you get on the wrong train, every stop will be the wrong one"

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You will most definitely be missed man.

Hope to see you back soon.