We need to come together and throw out hundreds of so called "strains"

Alright it is getting ridiculous the number of "strains" that are out there now. Very few dispensaries carry and good true strains anymore that have been properly bred for strength and consistancy. They just have a bunch of bullshit strains that they grew from a seed that came out of a garden where a plant hermaph'd and they didnt pull it soon enough. Or the even dumber ones who grow a well recognized strain and try and give it their own name. We need to set standards for what is and is not an actual strain and if anybody has any ideas how we can get this started please let me know how i can help.

You can just buy from reputable breeders. Seems like the best way to me.

Yeah I know but that doesnt change the fact that everytime I go to the dispensary 3/4 of their strains are some bullshit that I have never heard of and will never find again and even if they had more seeds from the same source they couldnt grow it again because they havent worked it at all. They think creating a new strain is as easy as mixing any two strains together and dont understand the first thing about breeding for specific genes.

it's hard preserving strains too. eventually you need some hybrid vigor to counter genetic waning from re-breeding & cloning. even original breeders have to water their strains down before they turn into schwag. i'm not worried about names as much as which breeder has looked for some super phenos and maintains strict quality control. if it's some funky named mutt knockoff with a high better than either original "top 10 strain" parent, i'm fine with that unless it's some celebration of murder and the darkside that so many masturbate to in one way or another. saying death words anywhere near the garden ruins the flow man. bad feng shui

i bet it's hard to keep a consistent supply of anything superior at a medi-mart

i would have thought 1/2 if not more were some made up name of an unknown

If no one buy the inferior weed then they will have to grow something new. As long as they have customers they won't do anything different.

It might just be simple business decesion by the disp, I could elaborate if I knew what the percentage of paitents were, ie, what percentage go there for pain and what percentage of people go there for mental issues, ie depresion, add, adhd etc. Anyone know?

hazey grapes said:

it's hard preserving strains too. eventually you need some hybrid vigor to counter genetic waning from re-breeding & cloning. even original breeders have to water their strains down before they turn into schwag. i'm not worried about names as much as which breeder has looked for some super phenos and maintains strict quality control. if it's some funky named mutt knockoff with a high better than either original "top 10 strain" parent, i'm fine with that unless it's some celebration of murder and the darkside that so many masturbate to in one way or another. saying death words anywhere near the garden ruins the flow man. bad feng shui

i bet it's hard to keep a consistent supply of anything superior at a medi-mart

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Could you elaborate more please? Ive seen the same strain cloned 15+ times with nothing you speak of happening. Also i believe it was Soma that said to restore vigor, put the plant outside in the spring. Something about the spectrum of the sun then

I have a relative that grows for a disp. He told me a story once of him growing a nice bubblegum. No one bought it so they changed the name to bazooka. Sold out in a couple days after that.

it is crazy all the US strains out their now its realy starting to boom like rare dankness just came out and have more than 50 strains and most of the breeders started with dutch seeds then crossed them and few stablized now their just crossing crosses and slaping a name on them and selling theirs tons of phenos but for the most part bred with only good phenos so most are going to be good not too many people are growing the dutch seeds in med states cause you can buy tga,rd, and all those great clone only strains that they don't see the need to grow ak 47 ,white widow and shit

i'm just trying to pull the old memories from reading my 3 grow guides, particularly the '85 or so edition of indoor MJ horticulture about on a monthly basis even if i had no beans or genes. i KNEW kees at SSSC was full of BS when he tried to assure me skunk #1 was "just what i'm looking for".

i like the great diversity out there. that makes for a healthy gene pool. if you restrict a gene pool too much, especially with inbreeding, you lose breeding vigor. definitely read the revised edition of indoor hort. it should contain most of what any grower should need to know and even dabbles in college level genetic theory. i just skimmed those chapters for the gist.

genetic mutations happen naturally. the longer you try to extend a given set of genes through cloning, the more mutations will creep in. like i said, i'm pretty sure it's called genetic waning. that's why when breeders seek to refresh a tired old strain, they use strains with very different traits to get hybrid vigor instead of "in breeding" with strains that have traits closer to what's desired in the original.

the worst route to cuttings getting tired is making copies of copies as i recall. it's best to keep your clone mother as long as possible, but even she gets old eventually.

It's called Genetic Drift and I'm touching on the arena of knowledge in my Bones, Stones & Human evolution college course...

Just because you've never heard of a strain doesnt make it bad. I've had some freebie seeds I thought were going to be trash, end up being plants I wish I would have kept around.

I will actually be starting my own breeding project before the end of the year.
I am pretty sick of people mixing everything with the popular named strain of the month to get a new seed.

I plan on doing a community driven breed every once in a while.
Community chooses what I make. either from a selection of strains I give. or require at least 1 from my selection.
Then the community will name it. Whoever suggested the winner from both the mix, and the name will receive some free packs.

Whenever I have read this topic coming up, it ends once someone posts their experience cloning from a mother for 20 years, or cloning from clones for scores of generations. I have not read any growers experience with genetic drift or fading genetics in generations of clones.

Good thread on this:https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/331397-any-existing-evidence-clones-upon-3.html

If any of you guys watch, have watched MMA for quite some time you may know this.
In the beginning, UFC 1 up to about 15 or so, fighters came in with one style of fighting.
All of these styles have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The progression of MMA in the past 10 years has been astounding. As each style has been put to the test over and over.
MMA fighters now knows what actually works in a fight and what is useless. Now they cross train and learn techniques from a plethora of styles to become complete, well rounded fighters.

MJ is not too far different. For the first time modern science is involved with the growing of cannibas. Tests are being performed, people are sharing information and techniques and genetics from all over the world.
While there is plenty of knowledge to be found in a cannibas bible from 1985, there has been too much learned about cannibas since then.

There aren't any new strains, just crosses of proven strains ..
Every breeder want recognition, so he gets a strain, or existing cross, and creates an F2
Some are stabilized, some aren't ..
Only way to get a strain is to stabilize a landrace, or cross two of them.(I assume) nobody does that anymore ..

There is a strong chance of a new strain soon, though. Myanmar has been pretty closed, and is now just opening up to tourists. Reeferman's Burmese Pure can't be the only thing from that nation. I imagine lots of breeders are descending on that country looking for something new.

funniest thing with seeds is, ive had good and bad experiences with breedes that others said were amazing or were trash. so its more about throwing away breeders than strains.

oh don't get me started on the 100% suicidal mutant burmese i wasted $67 total for from kindseed & vancouver island. i've got a grudge against both for that. i'd like to see someone growing legit burmese from wherever they get it and report back. that strain should have caught on better

hazey grapes said:

oh don't get me started on the 100% suicidal mutant burmese i wasted $67 total for from kindseed & vancouver island. i've got a grudge against both for that. i'd like to see someone growing legit burmese from wherever they get it and report back. that strain should have caught on better

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waah waaah!

althor said:

If any of you guys watch, have watched MMA for quite some time you may know this.
In the beginning, UFC 1 up to about 15 or so, fighters came in with one style of fighting.
All of these styles have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The progression of MMA in the past 10 years has been astounding. As each style has been put to the test over and over.
MMA fighters now knows what actually works in a fight and what is useless. Now they cross train and learn techniques from a plethora of styles to become complete, well rounded fighters.

MJ is not too far different. For the first time modern science is involved with the growing of cannibas. Tests are being performed, people are sharing information and techniques and genetics from all over the world.
While there is plenty of knowledge to be found in a cannibas bible from 1985, there has been too much learned about cannibas since then.

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Only difference is when a MMA fighter enters the ring they clarify what arts this particular fighter is experienced in, but when you enter a MMJ dispensary they dont say this comes from the "..........." lineage majority of the time they just say "this is called........." and "it is indica dominate" when probably 65%+ they have no clue what it came from. We need people who work at dispensaries to do their homework and we need these fake ass "breeders" to be honest and say "it is bag seed so i dont know what it comes from". Just too much out their that is unknown that bothers me. I mean, if you dont know for sure where it came from stop making claims.