We need to stand up and fight

7xstall

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honestly, there is no "reason" for it to be illegal.

the facts are in but the truth hasn't been put out there in full force.

the only thing keeping it on the books is police unions, over paid drug cops and public complacency. as soon as our efforts outweigh the very, very negligible efforts of those who are against us - we will win.
 

VictorVIcious

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The article also said," The number of Americans abusing prescription drugs nearly doubled from 7.8 million in 1992 to 15.1 million in 2003, the Narcotics Control Board said. Among the drugs of choice: the pain killers oxycodene. sold under the trade name OxyContin, and hydrocodene, sold as Vicodin and used by 7.4% of college students in 2005."
Now why would such products be allowed to exist?? ITS THE ECONOMY!!
 

VictorVIcious

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I'd like to agree with you. There is a reason why it isn't legal.
ITS THE ECONOMY.
THE FIRST RULE OF COMBAT IS TO KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
There are a few enemies I'd like to point out. I'm trying to be brief, hows that working out? The Drug Industry, the Liqour Industry, the Tobacco Industry, the law enforcement industry, the political industry and the health care industry. They have the money and they have the power.
 

VictorVIcious

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The problems that MJ legalization would pose for thier industries all have to do with the economics of the situation. I just heard the other day that 'they' are going to try to get tobacco put under the FDA. If you are a smoker you'd better watch your wallet when that happens.
 

7xstall

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dude, please put as much as possible in one post! :) this is like using a cell phone with one bar...
 

ViRedd

New Member
Victor ...

You're making some excellent points. I especially like this one:

"There are a few enemies I'd like to point out. I'm trying to be brief, hows that working out? The Drug Industry, the Liqour Industry, the Tobacco Industry, the law enforcement industry, the political industry and the health care industry. They have the money and they have the power."

Vi
 

VictorVIcious

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Sorry I cant' type that fast. I'll start a thread, I've never started one. I'll do it over this weekend and try to have it posted by Monday. If you take the time to read this entire thread you'll see my posts are a lot of the thread and I end up just rambling because I try to answer other peoples post. I'm getting to passionate about this. If we don't get together with out polititions, and lobbyists etc.,etc. we will be paying through the nose.
 

VictorVIcious

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The single reason we have to get MJ legalized is because of the effects it has on our economy and the effect legalization could have on our economy. The little people, all of us stoners, have to say enough all ready. We have been lied to for better than 60 years. We have watched our farmers require government subsidies(sp) because they aren't allowed to grow hemp. We are almost totally dependant on (Oh shit I forgot all about the BIG OIL INDUSTRY) foriegn oil because our farmers aren't allowed to grow hemp. We import, at least in my state, produce Hydroponically grown in Canada, because we don't want our farmers to know how to use Hydroponics.
Well my mom just called and invited me to lunch, so I'll be gone for a while. Seeya. VV
 

African Herbsman

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The single reason we have to get marijuana legalized is because of the effects it has on our economy and the effect legalization could have on our economy. The little people, all of us stoners, have to say enough all ready. We have been lied to for better than 60 years. We have watched our farmers require government subsidies(sp) because they aren't allowed to grow hemp. We are almost totally dependant on (Oh shit I forgot all about the BIG OIL INDUSTRY) foriegn oil because our farmers aren't allowed to grow hemp. We import, at least in my state, produce Hydroponically grown in Canada, because we don't want our farmers to know how to use Hydroponics.
Well my mom just called and invited me to lunch, so I'll be gone for a while. Seeya. VV
i have told so many people this
seriously everyone who i know i have told them this
 

Wavels

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Hi Victor, I just now caught up with this thread....
Good rants...spot on!

Don't think this is the article you requested from wonder drug thread?.... but this is germane to discussion here....


Why Smoking Marijuana Doesn't Make You a Junkie
By Bruce Mirken, Marijuana Policy Project. Posted December 19, 2006.



The idea that marijuana is a "gateway" drug has been once again squelched by two new scientific studies.
recent studies should be the final nails in the coffin of the lie that has propelled some of this nation's most misguided policies: the claim that smoking marijuana somehow causes people to use hard drugs, often called the "gateway theory."
Such claims have been a staple of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy under present drug czar John Walters. Typical is a 2004 New Mexico speech in which, according to the Albuquerque Journal, "Walters emphasized that marijuana is a 'gateway drug' that can lead to other chemical dependencies."
The gateway theory presents drug use as a tidy progression in which users move from legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco to marijuana, and from there to hard drugs like cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine. Thus, zealots like Walters warn, marijuana is bad because it leads to things that are even worse.
It's a neat theory, easy to sell. The problem is, scientists keep poking holes in it -- the two new studies being are just the most recent examples.
In one National Institute on Drug Abuse-funded study, researchers from the University of Pittsburgh tracked the drug use patterns of 224 boys, starting at age 10 to 12 and ending at age 22. Right from the beginning these kids confounded expectations. Some followed the traditional gateway paradigm, starting with tobacco or alcohol and moving on to marijuana, but some reversed the pattern, starting with marijuana first. And some never progressed from one substance to another at all.
When they looked at the detailed data on these kids, the researchers found that the gateway theory simply didn't hold; environmental factors such as neighborhood characteristics played a much larger role than which drug the boys happened to use first. "Abusable drugs," they wrote, "occupy neither a specific place in a hierarchy nor a discrete position in a temporal sequence."
Lead researcher Dr. Ralph E. Tarter told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, "It runs counter to about six decades of current drug policy in the country, where we believe that if we can't stop kids from using marijuana, then they're going to go on and become addicts to hard drugs."
Researchers in Brisbane, Australia, and St. Louis reached much the same conclusion in a larger and more complex study published last month. The research involved more than 4,000 Australian twins whose use of marijuana and other drugs was followed in detail from adolescence into adulthood.
Then -- and here's the fascinating part -- they matched the real-world data from the twins to mathematical models based on 13 different explanations of how use of marijuana and other illicit drugs might be related. These models ranged from pure chance -- assuming that any overlap between use of marijuana and other drugs is random -- to models in which underlying genetic or environmental factors lead to both marijuana and other drug use or models in which marijuana use causes use of other drugs or vice versa.
When they crunched the numbers, only one conclusion made sense: "Cannabis and other illicit drug use and misuse co-occur in the population due to common risk factors (correlated vulnerabilities) or a liability that is in part shared." Translated to plain English: the data don't show that marijuana causes use of other drugs, but instead indicate that the same factors that make people likely to try marijuana also make them likely to try other substances.
In the final blow to claims that marijuana must remain illegal to keep us from becoming a nation of hard-drug addicts, the researchers added that any gateway effect that does exist is "more likely to be social than pharmacological," occurring because marijuana "introduces users to a provider (peer or black marketeer) who eventually becomes the source for other illicit drugs." In other words, the gateway isn't marijuana; it's laws that put marijuana into the same criminal underground with speed and heroin.
The lie that marijuana somehow turns people into junkies is dead. Officials who insist on repeating it as a way of squelching discussion about common-sense reforms should be laughed off the stage.
AlterNet: DrugReporter: Why Smoking Marijuana Doesn't Make You a Junkie
 

Wavels

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Also.....


New Study Shows Medical Value of Marijuana
By Rob Kampia, AlterNet. Posted February 22, 2007.
New research gives more ammunition to those hoping to change federal marijuana policy.
Ever since California and other states began passing medical marijuana laws in 1996, the federal government has claimed that -- as a 2003 White House press release put it -- "research has not demonstrated that smoked marijuana is safe and effective medicine." A new study, just published in the journal Neurology, definitively refutes that claim and underlines the urgent need for the federal government to change its prohibitionist policies.
The study, conducted by Dr. Donald Abrams of the University of California at San Francisco, found marijuana to be safe and effective at treating peripheral neuropathy, which causes great suffering to HIV/AIDS patients. This type of extreme pain, which is caused by damage to the nerves, can make patients feel like their feet and hands are on fire, or being stabbed with a knife. Similar pain is seen in a number of other illnesses, including multiple sclerosis and diabetes, and cannot be treated effectively with conventional pain medications. Standard pain medicines -- even addictive, dangerous narcotics -- have little effect on this type of pain.
Marijuana doesn't cure neuropathy, but in the UCSF study marijuana was clearly shown to give relief. In this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial (the design that's considered the "gold standard" of medical research), a majority of patients had a greater than 30 percent reduction in pain after smoking marijuana. For many, that level of relief means having a bearable quality of life.
This result is all the more remarkable because researchers like Abrams are only allowed to test government-supplied marijuana, which is of notoriously poor quality. There's every reason to believe the results would be even better if scientists were permitted to study a better-quality product.
Abrams' study is only the latest in a growing mountain of research showing that medical marijuana can provide real -- and potentially even life-saving -- benefits. In a study published last year of patients being treated for the hepatitis C virus (HCV), those who used marijuana to curb the nausea and other noxious side effects of anti-HCV drugs were significantly more likely to complete their treatment. As a result, the marijuana-using patients were three times more likely to clear the deadly virus from their bodies -- in other words, to be cured -- than those not using marijuana.
Clearly, the White House and its drug czar, John Walters, should abandon their rigid, unscientific rejection of medical marijuana and start reshaping federal policy to match medical reality.
Unfortunately, this is unlikely; what's more likely is that the Bush administration will ignore the scientific data during its last two years in power, just as it has for the past six years.
That puts the ball in Congress's court. There are a number of actions Congress can take to put federal medical marijuana policy on a path toward sanity.
The first, and simplest, is to prohibit the Drug Enforcement Administration from spending money to raid and arrest medical marijuana patients and caregivers in the 11 states where the medical use of marijuana is legal under state law. This taxpayer-friendly act would remove the cloud of fear that now hangs over tens of thousands of desperately ill Americans and those who care for them.
But that should be just the beginning. Everything about federal medical marijuana policy should be reconsidered. That includes the arbitrary rules that needlessly hamper research, as well as the absurd law that classifies cocaine and methamphetamine as having more medical value than marijuana, which is grouped with heroin and LSD as having "no currently accepted medical use."
The guiding principle must be to handle medical marijuana as science, common sense, and simple human decency dictate. Recent research leaves no doubt that our government's war on the sick and dying must end immediately.
AlterNet: DrugReporter: New Study Shows Medical Value of Marijuana
 

Wavels

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And....
Pot Prisoners Cost Americans $1 Billion a Year
By Paul Armentano, AlterNet. Posted February 10, 2007.
The latest numbers are out: nearly 800,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges in 2005. When will the insanity stop?
American taxpayers are now spending more than a billion dollars per year to incarcerate its citizens for pot. That's according to statistics recently released by the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics.
According to the new BJS report, "Drug Use and Dependence, State and Federal Prisoners, 2004," 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses. Combining these percentages with separate U.S. Department of Justice statistics on the total number of state and federal drug prisoners suggests that there are now about 33,655 state inmates and 10,785 federal inmates behind bars for marijuana offenses. The report failed to include estimates on the percentage of inmates incarcerated in county and/or local jails for pot-related offenses.
Multiplying these totals by U.S. DOJ prison expenditure data reveals that taxpayers are spending more than $1 billion annually to imprison pot offenders.
The new report is noteworthy because it undermines the common claim from law enforcement officers and bureaucrats, specifically White House drug czar John Walters, that few, if any, Americans are incarcerated for marijuana-related offenses. In reality, nearly 1 out of 8 U.S. drug prisoners are locked up for pot.
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws, costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually in criminal justice costs.
According to the most recent figures available from the FBI, police arrested an estimated 786,545 people on marijuana charges in 2005 -- more than twice the number of Americans arrested just 12 years ago. Among those arrested, about 88 percent -- some 696,074 Americans -- were charged with possession only. The remaining 90,471 individuals were charged with "sale/manufacture," a category that includes all cultivation offenses, even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical use.
These totals are the highest ever recorded by the FBI, and make up 42.6 percent of all drug arrests in the United States. Nevertheless, self-reported pot use by adults, as well as the ready availability of marijuana on the black market, remains virtually unchanged.
Marijuana isn't a harmless substance, and those who argue for a change in the drug's legal status do not claim it to be. However, pot's relative risks to the user and society are arguably fewer than those of alcohol and tobacco, and they do not warrant the expenses associated with targeting, arresting and prosecuting hundreds of thousands of Americans every year.
According to federal statistics, about 94 million Americans -- that's 40 percent of the U.S. population age 12 or older -- self-identify as having used cannabis at some point in their lives, and relatively few acknowledge having suffered significant deleterious health effects due to their use. America's public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it. It makes no sense to continue to treat nearly half of all Americans as criminals.
This article originally appeared in the Washington Examiner.
 

VictorVIcious

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Tyhanx Wavels for posting that. I think we need a thread Called NEWS YOU CAN USE. All of you guru's could keep us dummys posted. The article I was referring to was in yesterday Madison Newspaper. I saw it posted and e-mailed it to myself. Of course it has my name on it now so I uhhh don't think i'll post it here. Seems like the county is just not going to have the money to prosocute so its just going to be a fine. I thought the guy from NORML made an interesting point that fit in with my posts in this thread.
 

Educated_Black_Man

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I havent been able to get onto my computer lately
but i've been comin on to some ideas and i will post them next time i get onto da comp.

Peace and keep tokin'
EBM
 

Purple_Ganja

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The Tobacco Industry? Shit dude they should thank stoners, without us, they'd be half of what they are now. Man if I had a quarter (in money lol) for every time I hear the phrase "I love smoking cigs after weed, enhances the high" and then 2 or 3 of my friends will light up about 2-3 cigarettes each, EVERY TIME after they smoke weed. The way I see it, educating the general non-user/user public will be our passport to freedom. Educating users will augment them with the knowledge they need to not only spread their knowledge, but give them the power to fight back in the standard "weed is illegal because" arguments. Educating the non-user public will in turn dish out more people, more willing to try it, giving us a higher percentage in votes where need be. I AM ALERGIC TO CIGARETTE SMOKE and get really sick if I'm around it in a small bedroom sized room for much more than about 15 minutes, but I smoke the herb all day every day. I don't have any other alternative, other than hookah tabacco and weed, and since the hookah tabacco is specially made with almost no nicotine value, what the hell am I gonna puff on? Dude even if they put me away for 5 years and I got out, I'd still puff the magic dragon.


I'd like to agree with you. There is a reason why it isn't legal.
ITS THE ECONOMY.
THE FIRST RULE OF COMBAT IS TO KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
There are a few enemies I'd like to point out. I'm trying to be brief, hows that working out? The Drug Industry, the Liqour Industry, the Tobacco Industry, the law enforcement industry, the political industry and the health care industry. They have the money and they have the power.
 
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