Wecome to the jungle

Nice GC! I've just pulled some AI clones out of the fridge a couple days ago, Today will be day 4 (I think) in the clone dome, and they seem to be looking the most healthy out of the bunch, lol.

Burn on!

Well it's been 11 days since the majority of the vegged clones were put into flower. and that was the last time the girls were watered. 11 days ago! Water thoroughly, and then let them dry out thoroughly before watering again.

I'm adding "Earth Juice Catalyst" to my feeding regimen this time, in conjunction with Indonesian bat guano, and "rare earth"

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No this rare earth! lol ...and it wasn't my intention to try to find another supplement with "earth" in it's name - it just worked out that way.

Rare Earth is an organic silica supplement, that contains some 70 trace minerals....and humic acis.

Silica is the building blocks of plant tissue, and this stuff helps the plants resist heat, desease, and pests (they break their little teath trying to chew my plants... lol) ...and gives them nice strong stems; The better to hold those massive buds up!

Humic acid is naturally occurring material found in soils, lignite and composting vegetable matter. Humic acid helps promote seed germination and stimulates plant development by increasing the absorption and translocation of micronutrients.

Warning: Always were a particle mask when handling this stuff, and all other powdered supplies.


Note: The 3 benefits to keeping it organic:

1. The buds taste better

2. It's nearly impossible to burn your plants with organic fertilizers

3. No chance of Brain cancer that has been associated with chemical fertilizers


Note: 1 of the indica plants won't get the rare earth, or Catalyst. this is so we have a fair comparison between the last grow under CMH lamps (throughout), and this one.

The 5 that were fed today received 1 TBLS guano, and 1 TBLS rare earth as a top dressing, and then watered with 1 TBLS Earth Juice Bloom, and 1 TBLS EJ Catalyst (per gallon). Each container got 1 gallon, and should go 10 days before they need watered again, which is nice, because the watering process is a real production... I never did get that watering table built. lol

HPS lamps are burning.

This daydream indica bud should be ripe within 60 days


still no male flowers pushing out of this one, but judging by the looks of this, the BMS could have gone another 2 weeks. I suspect ripening was delayed by a few seeds, and an acidic condition caused by too much molasses...


Here's the pinched, and LSTed plant - has 9 tops - ...used only a small scissors and 1 twist tie. I'll be doing a tutorial on this technique later, but basically you just top the plant using my FIM tutorial as a guide, and then tie the FIMMed top down, further redistributing the plant auxins...


Profile shot of the ladies in the shower lol


The FIMMEd bitch is branching nicely


And finally a group shot of the ones that started bloom nutes today


I think that abut covers it; all comments and questions welcome

Twils said:

Nice GC! I've just pulled some AI clones out of the fridge a couple days ago, Today will be day 4 (I think) in the clone dome, and they seem to be looking the most healthy out of the bunch, lol.

Burn on!

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Awesome! I'll be watching for the results.

I have some rapid rooter plugs ready to go.

I've seen several reports that show cuttings that were cloned with no rooting hormone, actually rooted faster than the ones with hormone. I may try it with no hormone this time.

Green Cross said:

Awesome! I'll be watching for the results.

I have some rapid rooter plugs ready to go.

I've seen several reports that show cuttings that were cloned with no rooting hormone, actually rooted faster than the ones with hormone. I may try it with no hormone this time.

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Let me know if you do that, how it works out for sure!!

Burn on!

nice grow cross what do you got has far has indicas? pm me

that is some crazy growing nice work

Thanks for all the positive comments dudes

I just wanted to let anyone who's thinking of using the water hash method I outlined, or the gumby method:

Once you collect your trichomes in your paper coffee filters, and press the water out, it needs to dry for a few days before "hand rolling", or further pressing, or it will trap moisture in, and be prone to mold.

I made the mistake of baking it the next day, and pressing it into a cake. Later I found there was still a lot of moisture in it, and even now, If I leave it in a closed jar for more than a day, light powdery mold forms on the surface.

It's not all wrecked, because I caught it early on, but this can all be avoided by letting your water hash dry out (like you would fresh weed) before pressing it into a ball or a cake.

nice lookin grow my dude!

i like your grow swagger +rep

Wow Green Cross, you've got it going on.

I'll have to come back and finish reading more of your journal later on. I usually hang out in the sun but since I'll be under the lights for a bit I need to do some fast learnin', ha. I'm looking at doing a winter mother/clone project and might need to ask you for some advice. Nice set up and journal.

Catch you later, slabhead

warisnottheanswer said:

nice lookin grow my dude!

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Thanks warisnottheanswer - cool hippie name, I've always wanted to be an old hippie... my hope is all the unemployed in this country will wake up to the fact that we've lost control of our government, and organize another Woodstock lol

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genuity said:

i like your grow swagger +rep

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Aw shucks

slabhead said:

Wow Green Cross, you've got it going on.

I'll have to come back and finish reading more of your journal later on. I usually hang out in the sun but since I'll be under the lights for a bit I need to do some fast learnin', ha. I'm looking at doing a winter mother/clone project and might need to ask you for some advice. Nice set up and journal.

Catch you later, slabhead

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Sure no problem SlabHead - nice harvest by the way.

And now it's time for another boring update lol but maybe I can get some pics up today to make things more interesting. They have nearly doubled in size and all needed water today. They got Earth Juice Catalyst (4 tbls to 5 gals water). A few were seriously wilted, but they should bounce right back. I'm a little concerned with the largest BMS, as the leaves are turning yellow, and she's been looking droopy for a while now, but I think it's normal flowering stress, HPS heat, and buds pulling chlorophyll from the leaves. I'm out of PH tests, so I better pick up some more, just to make sure we're still between 6.7 and 7 .

I thought the mother - I'm trying to re-veg - was putting out new growth, but it looks like more of a waiting game now. Maybe those tiny leaves were left-over from old growth. Sativa's are harder to propagate, so I won't be too surprised if she doesn't make it.

A few days ago; I started cloning 2 of the cuttings from the fridge, but I haven't checked for roots yet. Maybe later today, and the remaining cuttings should have tier water changed again.

New CO2 was mixed yesterday, and I used double the sugar just to see if they produce longer. The thing is alcohol is a byproduct of the yeasts action, and that kills the active yeast. We'll see.

I need to get a fish tank heater for my water bucket, because cold water shocks roots, and the mornings are already getting cold. For now I'm putting my watering can in a sink full of hot water in order to bring it up to temp (70 - 80 degrees F).

This grow is less stressful,, knowing what to expect, and only dealing with 9 plants as compared to 12. 9 plants also seem to fit under 2 - 400w lights (footprint) better. I've been keeping up on height control this time using several techniques including super-cropping.

I'll have to do a smoke report on the BMS, now that it's fully cured. It's incredible; the best I've ever smoked, 1 bong hit sends you into orbit, and the smell and taste is delicious! I give most the credit to DJ Short, and the CMH - UV heavy - spectrum.

No roots yet, but I think it's only been 4 days. Still they look good considdering the cuttings were kept in the crisper drawer for 2 weeks prior to cloning.

What I did was cut the rapid rooter cells apart and place each one in the bottom of a red beer cup. Bamboo skewers work well for retrieving the cells from the cup, and puling the plugs from the cells, as long as you know how to work chopsticks lol

More pics to come in the next thread

Low light


High humidity and a little warmth


Rapid rooter plugs - rooting hormone - 1/4 strength bloom nutes - 1/4 drop super thrive (per gal)

No roots yet

Gigabud clone pic taken Oct 9th


2 weeks later

The ladies were really thirsty today. I think these HPS bulbs throw more heat... than the CMH bulbs, and I found 1 that had been bleached on top. I'm pretty sure it's leaf bleaching and not a deficiency, because she was sitting in the sweet spot close to the light, and none of the others show this pale yellowing on top. I've since backed the lights off a few inches and super-cropped the affected plant. I actually super-cropped both gigabuds, because these GB bitches tend to grow like weeds lol

Here is the GB with what looks like light bleaching - on top



Believe it or not this is 1 plant! It's the largest of the BMS ladies, and been in 12/12 for 4 -5 week. Already seeing leaf necrosis (yellowing), which is completely normal.


Random BMS pics - week 3, I think



Here's the BMS lady who was topped twice, and has since had her 5 tops super-cropped


The 2 Gigabuds super-cropped today - in flower



Daydream clone - flowering like crazy


Group shots








All done:

Questions and comments welcome

Green Cross said:

The ladies were really thirsty today. I think these HPS bulbs throw more heat... than the CMH bulbs, and I found 1 that had been bleached on top. I'm pretty sure it's leaf bleaching and not a deficiency, because she was sitting in the sweet spot close to the light, and none of the others show this pale yellowing on top. I've since backed the lights off a few inches and super-cropped the affected plant. I actually super-cropped both gigabuds, because these GB bitches tend to grow like weeds lol

Here is the GB with what looks like light bleaching - on top

Believe it or not this is 1 plant! It's the largest of the BMS ladies, and been in 12/12 for 4 -5 week. Already seeing leaf necrosis (yellowing), which is completely normal.

Random BMS pics - week 3, I think




I'll attach the thumbnails then update this journal with embedded pics

More to come

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nice forest,mid west growers are good

whats up Cross.. i see your still at it.. still growing the same strains? all is well over here im back at it .. i see u switched to hps.. do u like it, i see you said u think hps is considerably hotter than your cmh, that might be true as my hps raises my room temps 5-6 more degrees than my mh..

also your bms look kinda pale for 3 weeks flowering.. is this just the color of the plant or is there sum N issues?

looking good green!!!! sexy girls

genuity said:

nice forest,mid west growers are good

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Thanks genuity

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

also your bms look kinda pale for 3 weeks flowering.. is this just the color of the plant or is there sum N issues?

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Glad to hear you're back in circulation

I think your seeing that on the one that's been flowering for 4+ weeks, so the chlorophyll (stored energy) is being drained from the leaves. Nitrogen deficiency in late flower is completely normal

skunkman98536 said:

looking good green!!!! sexy girls

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Thanks for stopping by skunk. I'll have to check you're grow journal for updated pics.

Green Cross said:

I think your seeing that on the one that's been flowering for 4+ weeks, so the chlorophyll (stored energy) is being drained from the leaves. Nitrogen deficiency in late flower is completely normal

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yep thats the one.. i know its normal i guess im just used to seeing it later in flower because i add N weeks 3-4 your lookin better everytime i look though.

i also wanted to know how long u actually cut your clones and do u veg them out or go str8 into 12/12

u may have said this so if u have just direct me to where .. no need to repeat yourself

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

yep thats the one.. i know its normal i guess im just used to seeing it later in flower because i add N weeks 3-4 your lookin better everytime i look though.

i also wanted to know how long u actually cut your clones and do u veg them out or go str8 into 12/12

u may have said this so if u have just direct me to where .. no need to repeat yourself

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Hey TrynaGroSumShyt,

I thought I'd check in before sunday football starts

You really shouldn't add N in flower, because from what I've read, too much N can actually inhibit flowering, and can affect the taste, negatively... gives that home grown grass clippings taste/smell.

I cut my clones about 6", but then after I took them out of the fridge, I had to cut them down to about 4" - and that's a little short I think.

I'll veg these BMS clones into 1 mother, and then probably take clones again (when she gets too big), just to keep the genetics going, while I grow out K-train (next grow), but if I was going to go directly into flower I'd veg them to a height of 12 - 15" (trained), before flowering. A little more veg time = a lot more yield.

Also I'm not seeing much of any difference using HPS over CMH, but it's only been a couple weeks since the switch. Yield last grow seemed low - around 20 grams per plant - but the quality is off the chart. I suppose there will be a trade off under HPS, more yield, with lesser quality.

I'm kind of exited about Obama's declaration, telling the Feds to stop prosecuting med users/growers, as it brings more legitimacy to the industry. My hope is, Illinois passes the new MJ Med law before the deadline in Nov.