bennybueno
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wow im lovin it!!!
Wecome to the jungle
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Green Cross
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Me too! lol Thanks for stopping by
I'll have new pics up when I see substantial bud growth. Hopefully in a couple days.
All are heavy feeding now, with no signs of nute burn. I will start starving them of nitrogen from here out. Earth Juice bloom (0-3-1) and molasses, and the residual guano and rainbow mix already in the soil should be plenty.
I'm seeing some consumption of nitrogen from some of the fan leaves now (100% normal during the final phase of flowing). This is why you never trim fan leaves; energy from those leaves is stored until it's needed.
It's time to feed the clones a 1/2 dose growth fertilizer, a 1/2 dose silica blast - with a couple drops super thrive. They will also get transplanted from their 16 oz cups, into their 6" pots soon.
TrynaGroSumShyt
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hey. my comp is bro. your lookin extra nice right now. if u have tip on making compost and teas please enlighten me in my journal. thx
Green Cross
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Will do TrynaGroSumSyte
Also plan on updating my journal today, so stay tuned.
Here's a goup shot
LAX Skunky BwS
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Very Nice...Will do TrynaGroSumSyte
Also plan on updating my journal today, so stay tuned.
Here's a goup shot
Green Cross
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Thanks for all the comments! It's been a while since I did a proper update, and I have a lot to share with you - all while while listening to "Crosby Nash BBC (1970)" on youtube (5 parts). I also have a lot of pics to share with you, so I'll do this in a couple separate posts. 
First of all; the clones. I've learned a valuable lesson, after doing some research last week; I learned that it's not a good idea to take clones in flower, or re-veg a mother plant. Of course it is possible, and I hear folks doing this and advising others to do the same, but it's not the best means to an end.
When you take a clone from a flowering plant, or reveg a mother plant, you actually lose some of the genetic material (through the stress of flowering).
This from Marijuana Cultivation/Cloning - Wikibooks:
"Basically you clone when you want to be able to replicate the exact genetic characteristics of a plant. If you have found not only a good strain but a particularly fine specimen you can share it by cloning. Or you can keep the fine plant in the vegetative stage forever and only grow out and mature cuttings of it. Not only do you have a plant with known properties such as potency, potential yield, disease resistance, size, etc but you will be able to have a garden of plants that given the same conditions will more or less grow at the same rate and respond to the same way to different training methods. Your plants will all have the same nutrient requirements as well.
Cloning is also an ideal way to determine the sex and properties of potential mother plants without every having them undergo the stress of flowering. This is much better than taking a cutting during flowering or putting a flowering plant back under a longer light cycle to revert it back to vegetative growth. Stress can alter or damage genetic material and that genetic change will be passed to the cuttings taken from the mother after that point."
"Generational Cloning
This is the chance to squash another myth. To cut to the chase, a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone can be taken for at least several hundred generations out without any negative effects to the plant. In fact, replacing your mother with a fresh clone from healthy tissue often will mean less genetic damage due to stress and aging over the life of the plant."
Of course this isn't the only source for this valuable information, so it's my fault for not going by the book.
Additionally: not only do you fuck up your genetics taking cuttings in flower, but first the cutting is stressed trying to flower, and then stressed further, trying to grow a new root system. No wonder these clones look like crap.
Well what's done is done. I still plan to grow out a second harvest using the same (although now damaged) genetics. There are no mistakes just learning experiences right?
The clones after trying to flower for 5 weeks are finally pushing new growth. Some look better than others, but I only need a few plants for the next harvest. The tight node spacing is due to CFL 6500k. They'll stretch out when they go under HID lighting, but as you can see a few of these specimens look much more like re-veged mothers, than clones.
I'll be selecting the pheno's and keepers, and transplanting these ASAP
All are getting 1/2 strength earth juice grow, and 1/2 strength silicablast.
I also have a lot of pics to share with you, so I'll do this in a couple separate posts. First of all; the clones. I've learned a valuable lesson, after doing some research last week; I learned that it's not a good idea to take clones in flower, or re-veg a mother plant. Of course it is possible, and I hear folks doing this and advising others to do the same, but it's not the best means to an end.
When you take a clone from a flowering plant, or reveg a mother plant, you actually lose some of the genetic material (through the stress of flowering).
This from Marijuana Cultivation/Cloning - Wikibooks:
"Basically you clone when you want to be able to replicate the exact genetic characteristics of a plant. If you have found not only a good strain but a particularly fine specimen you can share it by cloning. Or you can keep the fine plant in the vegetative stage forever and only grow out and mature cuttings of it. Not only do you have a plant with known properties such as potency, potential yield, disease resistance, size, etc but you will be able to have a garden of plants that given the same conditions will more or less grow at the same rate and respond to the same way to different training methods. Your plants will all have the same nutrient requirements as well.
Cloning is also an ideal way to determine the sex and properties of potential mother plants without every having them undergo the stress of flowering. This is much better than taking a cutting during flowering or putting a flowering plant back under a longer light cycle to revert it back to vegetative growth. Stress can alter or damage genetic material and that genetic change will be passed to the cuttings taken from the mother after that point."
"Generational Cloning
This is the chance to squash another myth. To cut to the chase, a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone can be taken for at least several hundred generations out without any negative effects to the plant. In fact, replacing your mother with a fresh clone from healthy tissue often will mean less genetic damage due to stress and aging over the life of the plant."
Of course this isn't the only source for this valuable information, so it's my fault for not going by the book.
Additionally: not only do you fuck up your genetics taking cuttings in flower, but first the cutting is stressed trying to flower, and then stressed further, trying to grow a new root system. No wonder these clones look like crap.
Well what's done is done. I still plan to grow out a second harvest using the same (although now damaged) genetics. There are no mistakes just learning experiences right?
The clones after trying to flower for 5 weeks are finally pushing new growth. Some look better than others, but I only need a few plants for the next harvest. The tight node spacing is due to CFL 6500k. They'll stretch out when they go under HID lighting, but as you can see a few of these specimens look much more like re-veged mothers, than clones.
I'll be selecting the pheno's and keepers, and transplanting these ASAP
All are getting 1/2 strength earth juice grow, and 1/2 strength silicablast.
Green Cross
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As promised - to update the bud porn as soon as i saw substantial changes - after 5 weeks of 12/12 even the BMS is putting on weight. I notice some slight nute burn and yellowing of leaves (falling), but all acceptable, and expected.
BMS #3 looks like my select Pheno (giant buds on this one, and very vigorous growth with night plant structure). BMS-Siam (one of 2 twins) is bursting with new pistols, so I'm going to watch this one closely, and the other twin (the purplest of them all) was damaged when the plant fell over and almost snapped off at the soil (this stunted growth and flowering), so I'll be flowering her clones in the next grow, to get a better idea of her real potential.
Unknown Indica
UI
Get a load of this GB Cola
Unknown Sativa
BMS #3 Pheno - not the greatest pic, but check out the fatness on this cola
Still more to come
BMS #3 looks like my select Pheno (giant buds on this one, and very vigorous growth with night plant structure). BMS-Siam (one of 2 twins) is bursting with new pistols, so I'm going to watch this one closely, and the other twin (the purplest of them all) was damaged when the plant fell over and almost snapped off at the soil (this stunted growth and flowering), so I'll be flowering her clones in the next grow, to get a better idea of her real potential.
Unknown Indica
UI
Get a load of this GB Cola
Unknown Sativa
BMS #3 Pheno - not the greatest pic, but check out the fatness on this cola
Still more to come
GrowKindNugs
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everything is looking great bro, except those clones, haha, lesson learned...keep up the green work....
gkn
gkn
Green Cross
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Here are some random BMS and a couple group shots. Oh yeah and my secret weapon, "DampRid", to lower the humidity in the flower room. I just hung this up today, but you'll see a big difference in the amount of frost (resin) if you lower the humidity in the final weeks of the flowering phase. Looking forward to some frosty shots next week.
BMS
"" Purple pheno
BMS
BMS group shot
All comments and question welcome.
BMS
"" Purple pheno
BMS
BMS group shot
All comments and question welcome.
Dr. Greenhorn
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nice pics bro. cool idea with that damprid box....looking forward to results!
Green Cross
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everything is looking great bro, except those clones, haha, lesson learned...keep up the green work....
gkn
Thanks GKN.
At least I don't need these clones for a few more weeks, and I already have some new genetics already on the way.
One is trainwreck x kush (k-train). The other is a rare Blue Alaskan Thunderfuck crossed hybrid
I'm tempted to just trash these clones, but I've spent so much time nursing them, and I'd to see for myself, if there is much difference between the first grow, and the second. I'm not even sure this will be a good comparison now.
The moral of this story is to go by the book. Marijuana horticulture hasn't changed much in the past 20 years
Green Cross
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nice pics bro. cool idea with that damprid box....looking forward to results!
Thanks for stopping by Mr. Green
it actually does work, lowering the humidity around 10% and the smell helps keep the dank skunk smell down, when the curtain is open. lol
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canefan
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GreenCross your grow is looking really great, wish mine was a good. I do have clones that look about the same as yours.....still trying to get them back to the veg state. Finally seeing some new growth appearring, it certainly was a lesson well learned. Good luck with the rest of the grow and the clones.
Green Cross
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Thanks Canefan,
I'll checkout your journal later today
Yup lesson learned
I popped one of the bigger clones out of it's container yesterday, and still didn't see much of a root system. I'll check them again in a week or so, before transplanting into larger pots.
My super soil won't be seasoned until mid-winter, in time for the k-train grow. For the next batch I have a good soilless mix standing by (vermiculite, pearlite, peat, and aged pine bark all PH balanced). I'll just mix that with 20 lbs of worm casings, 20% coco coir, and a little lime, and use earth juice again.
Here's one of the better looking clones from Gigabud
tahoe58
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absolutely on the Grows To Do list .... I am liking watching this .... grow on my man!!~~
Here are some random BMS and a couple group shots. Oh yeah and my secret weapon, "DampRid", to lower the humidity in the flower room. I just hung this up today, but you'll see a big difference in the amount of frost (resin) if you lower the humidity in the final weeks of the flowering phase. Looking forward to some frosty shots next week.
All comments and question welcome.
Green Cross
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Howdy Tahoe Looks yummy huh? lol
I took a twist tie off a couple BMS buds yesterday, and my fingers were sticking together with the smell of blueberry syrup mixed with dank
I can't wait to sample this one.
Green Cross
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My Co2 bottles were going flat again, so I figured as long as I was at it, I'd give you my recipe, and show you how I roll.
1. 1.75 - 2L filtered water
2. 2 cups sugar
3. 1 tsp baking soda
4. 1 tsp active dry yeast
5. 1/4 packet carnation instant breakfast - this ingredient is optional, but I believe it help boosts the yeast with extra vitamins and protein.
I like to use whiskey bottles, but any 1.75 - 2L bottle will do.
These bottle have a cork so there's no need to silicone the tubing to the cap. I just drilled a hole in the cap so that the tubing fits tight, and I'm ready to go.
'The tubing is to deliver the Co2 to the top of the canopy. I'll go into that more in a minute.
Out with the old
Once you have your bottles (I use 2 in a 2 x 10' area) ready, start heating enough water (filtered, or distilled) to fill your bottles, adding 2 cups of sugar per 1.75 - 2L of water.
We're looking for 110 degrees Fahrenheit. This is warm enough to dissolve the sugar crystals, and activate the yeast. Any hotter will kill the acitve yeast
Now that our simple syrup is hot carefully pour it into your bottle (s)
Be sure to leave some head room at the top, so the mixture has room to bubble without shooting out the tube.
Next we add the dry ingredients and give it a little swirl to mix
Within 10 minutes the yeast is activated and bubbling
Time to smoke and count the Co2 bubbles emitting from the tube - about 1 every 2 seconds is about right.
Swirling the bottle will give you a Co2 boost. For faster bubbles you can use twice as much yeast, but the mix will go dead faster. This mix lasts between 10 days and 2 weeks, depending on how ofter you swirl it. I say swirl, because you really don't want to shake this stuff.
Placing the bottle in a larger container of warm (100 -110 degree) water, will also give this mix, a temporary boost, during daylight hours, when plants take in the most C02.
Next we move our Co2 factories into garden. Always be careful to keep liquids away from electricity
Co2 is heavier than air, so the tubes can be positioned to wash the canopy with C02, or just place the ends of the tubes near your fan.
1. 1.75 - 2L filtered water
2. 2 cups sugar
3. 1 tsp baking soda
4. 1 tsp active dry yeast
5. 1/4 packet carnation instant breakfast - this ingredient is optional, but I believe it help boosts the yeast with extra vitamins and protein.
I like to use whiskey bottles, but any 1.75 - 2L bottle will do.
These bottle have a cork so there's no need to silicone the tubing to the cap. I just drilled a hole in the cap so that the tubing fits tight, and I'm ready to go.
'The tubing is to deliver the Co2 to the top of the canopy. I'll go into that more in a minute.
Out with the old
Once you have your bottles (I use 2 in a 2 x 10' area) ready, start heating enough water (filtered, or distilled) to fill your bottles, adding 2 cups of sugar per 1.75 - 2L of water.
We're looking for 110 degrees Fahrenheit. This is warm enough to dissolve the sugar crystals, and activate the yeast. Any hotter will kill the acitve yeast
Now that our simple syrup is hot carefully pour it into your bottle (s)
Be sure to leave some head room at the top, so the mixture has room to bubble without shooting out the tube.
Next we add the dry ingredients and give it a little swirl to mix
Within 10 minutes the yeast is activated and bubbling
Time to smoke and count the Co2 bubbles emitting from the tube - about 1 every 2 seconds is about right.
Swirling the bottle will give you a Co2 boost. For faster bubbles you can use twice as much yeast, but the mix will go dead faster. This mix lasts between 10 days and 2 weeks, depending on how ofter you swirl it. I say swirl, because you really don't want to shake this stuff.
Placing the bottle in a larger container of warm (100 -110 degree) water, will also give this mix, a temporary boost, during daylight hours, when plants take in the most C02.
Next we move our Co2 factories into garden. Always be careful to keep liquids away from electricity
Co2 is heavier than air, so the tubes can be positioned to wash the canopy with C02, or just place the ends of the tubes near your fan.
Dr. Greenhorn
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awesome tutorial bro....loving it!!
Green Cross
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Thanks for stopping by Dr. Green
I snapped a few more pics this morning
Enjoy
Unknown indica (left canopy)
Unknown indica (left), and Sativa (right)
US
My Fav BMS pheno #3
Blue Moonshine pheno in foreground Gigabud in the background
