Weed in Canada has ZERO value

People don't want to buy outdoor weed. That's really all that needs to be said, stuff grown in some cornfield in Idaho is irrelevant to the Canadian market for the most part. It's destined to be turned into budget extracts.

It has been legal here and in some states in some form or another for over 10 years and big ag still hasn't taken over anything.

This 'sky is falling' stuff happens EVERY time the market drops and it ALWAYS recovers.

The market in WA and OR got flooded multiple times and good weed in those states is still pricey and always will be. The Canadian market is no different.

DancesWithWorms said:

People don't want to buy outdoor weed. That's really all that needs to be said, stuff grown in some cornfield in Idaho is irrelevant to the Canadian market for the most part. It's destined to be turned into budget extracts.

It has been legal here and in some states in some form or another for over 10 years and big ag still hasn't taken over anything.

This 'sky is falling' stuff happens EVERY time the market drops and it ALWAYS recovers.

The market in WA and OR got flooded multiple times and good weed in those states is still pricey and always will be. The Canadian market is no different.

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In Canada...sure.

According to licensing data released by the California Department of Food and Agriculture, 1,192 of the 2,906 recreational cultivation licenses issued throughout the state – or 41% – were for outdoor grows.Dec 3, 2018

Environmentally friendly, uses less water, less electricity. CHEAPER. And when done right...better.

NOW BEING LABELED BY REGION, LIKE WINES, so in the future when nationally legal and shipped nationally, we can pick what we want and where it is grown.

600+ outdoor cultivators in Oregon

Dont tell yourself a story...they sure as heck want outdoor. In many cases, customers dont know...or care. If the quality is there, where it is grown is not important to many.

Those in the know, want the best outdoor. I would, and will stop growing when I can have it sent from California to my door.

ComfortCreator said:

600+ outdoor cultivators in Oregon

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How many of those are growing for flower rather than growing for extracts though?

People want measurable potency + high terp content in finished flower. Both are achieved best in an indoor setting.

DancesWithWorms said:

How many of those are growing for flower rather than growing for extracts though?

People want measurable potency + high terp content in finished flower. Both are achieved best in an indoor setting.

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Flower....yes absolutely. They are doing both but lots of flower.

As to potency and terps I agree 100%, and agree indoor is much easier to achieve it than outdoor. So for most, indoor is the correct choice for method.

But the outdoor that is the Top Shelf is something that is much better than any indoor I have ever had. The growers themselves would have better reasoning than me as to why, but soil, sun, mountainside/valley, compass direction facing, and most importantly, Experience farming that specific area for decades.

I should clarify - it doesnt necessarily look better or smell better. The terp combos that come out in the outdoor grows are unique -- buzzes I have only felt from that. I rave about Cali, but Hawaii is actually even better. That wavy knock you down pineapple sweet buzz actually feels like the waves of the ocean. Is it the UVA? Maybe. Maybe not. The volcanic soil, and Hawaiian local farming knowledge is some unique stuff. Even the crap looking outdoor bud is awesome. I've gotten dime bags from hippies coming out of the woods that were amazing lol!

We don't have to argue, it is the Canada thread and I have never had outdoor Canadian. The first time I had confirmed Canadian indoor bud was during the awesome Blueberry phase, when you all had waiting lists and future sales already made. I loved that sxxx. Better than anything I had tried except Amsterdam bud.

I love Canada, and our tight axxes down here would have never legalized it at all if it weren't for you.

If you have not had true Cali outdoor bud, please try and connect to someone there who has it. It is worth the trip and Cali is incredible anyway.

DancesWithWorms said:

How many of those are growing for flower rather than growing for extracts though?

People want measurable potency + high terp content in finished flower. Both are achieved best in an indoor setting.

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So true. Even going to the dispensary one can easily see the difference. Indoor grown is smellier, tastier and the buzz is overwhelmingly better IMO. The outdoor grown is cheaper because they have to use a bunch of nasty stuff to grow it so the quality suffers. The plants certainly prefer being grown outdoors but that definitely doesn't make for better pot.

ComfortCreator said:

Better than anything I had tried except Amsterdam bud.

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The only thing that should set Amsterdam bud apart would be genetics. It's all grown indoors over there in the same way that Canadian indoors would. Obviously the Dutch have been growing weed indoors for decades now, so they should have dialed that down pretty perfectly. But I think it's mostly their great breeding; most EU weed is from Dutch seeds, all quite similar to what you call Amsterdam bud.

Ironically, now the hype in EU appears to be Cali breeds, but I guess that could be a matter of "pastures must be greener elsewhere".

ComputerSaysNo said:

The only thing that should set Amsterdam bud apart would be genetics. It's all grown indoors over there in the same way that Canadian indoors would. Obviously the Dutch have been growing weed indoors for decades now, so they should have dialed that down pretty perfectly. But I think it's mostly their great breeding; most EU weed is from Dutch seeds, all quite similar to what you call Amsterdam bud.

Ironically, now the hype in EU appears to be Cali breeds, but I guess that could be a matter of "pastures must be greener elsewhere".

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That was 25 years ago or so.

ComfortCreator said:

Flower....yes absolutely. They are doing both but lots of flower.

As to potency and terps I agree 100%, and agree indoor is much easier to achieve it than outdoor. So for most, indoor is the correct choice for method.

But the outdoor that is the Top Shelf is something that is much better than any indoor I have ever had. The growers themselves would have better reasoning than me as to why, but soil, sun, mountainside/valley, compass direction facing, and most importantly, Experience farming that specific area for decades.

I should clarify - it doesnt necessarily look better or smell better. The terp combos that come out in the outdoor grows are unique -- buzzes I have only felt from that. I rave about Cali, but Hawaii is actually even better. That wavy knock you down pineapple sweet buzz actually feels like the waves of the ocean. Is it the UVA? Maybe. Maybe not. The volcanic soil, and Hawaiian local farming knowledge is some unique stuff. Even the crap looking outdoor bud is awesome. I've gotten dime bags from hippies coming out of the woods that were amazing lol!

We don't have to argue, it is the Canada thread and I have never had outdoor Canadian. The first time I had confirmed Canadian indoor bud was during the awesome Blueberry phase, when you all had waiting lists and future sales already made. I loved that sxxx. Better than anything I had tried except Amsterdam bud.

I love Canada, and our tight axxes down here would have never legalized it at all if it weren't for you.

If you have not had true Cali outdoor bud, please try and connect to someone there who has it. It is worth the trip and Cali is incredible anyway.

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The way you speak of outdoor I wish I knew more light you. In many regions of BC if you do light dep you have ideal conditions. Problem is not many people know how to setup proper light dep and have the $ to do so. My mentor had done light dep for 40 years never once did anyone turn down his products. Anyone I give my stuff to loves it for all the reasons you listed. It only costs me $25 a pound to grow from start to bagged. But if you tell someone it’s outdoor before they come see it, they don’t even come to see it. I know my garden tomatoes are better then any greenhouse ones. So why would cannabis be any different? My soils perfect, use ph perfect spring water that has 150ppm trace elements. Constant humidity of 50% and temps from 25-35 from June til sept 1. I don’t have might issues or PM issues so it’s clean as possible. All around it’s better, safer product then most indoor. Just looks slightly different to people that truely know their bud. If I want it to look just like indoor grow it in a container and let the roots grow threw the pot into the ground. Now you have the exact rock hard structure needed to fool anyone! Many dispensary owners in BC all said same thing. Wow that’s outdoor sure has lots of resin. But I’m done trying to educate people to much work and no reward anymore.

flawlesscrew said:

The way you speak of outdoor I wish I knew more light you. In many regions of BC if you do light dep you have ideal conditions. Problem is not many people know how to setup proper light dep and have the $ to do so. My mentor had done light dep for 40 years never once did anyone turn down his products. Anyone I give my stuff to loves it for all the reasons you listed. It only costs me $25 a pound to grow from start to bagged. But if you tell someone it’s outdoor before they come see it, they don’t even come to see it. I know my garden tomatoes are better then any greenhouse ones. So why would cannabis be any different? My soils perfect, use ph perfect spring water that has 150ppm trace elements. Constant humidity of 50% and temps from 25-35 from June til sept 1. I don’t have might issues or PM issues so it’s clean as possible. All around it’s better, safer product then most indoor. Just looks slightly different to people that truely know their bud. If I want it to look just like indoor grow it in a container and let the roots grow threw the pot into the ground. Now you have the exact rock hard structure needed to fool anyone! Many dispensary owners in BC all said same thing. Wow that’s outdoor sure has lots of resin. But I’m done trying to educate people to much work and no reward anymore.

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My brother!

Like a lot of things it is who you know...and who does the grow, that matters. To a lot of younger folks that have only had indoor, they cant imagine how outdoor could come out as good.

That is simply because they dont know the right people. I used to get some of the largest colas of killer 30 years ago from the Midwest. I have also had the killer in most other places, outdoor, before the indoor craze.

Indoors is easier to control. The very best growers are and were outdoor. Its farming. All those seeds and cuts everybody buys comes from them.

RobCat said:

So true. Even going to the dispensary one can easily see the difference. Indoor grown is smellier, tastier and the buzz is overwhelmingly better IMO. The outdoor grown is cheaper because they have to use a bunch of nasty stuff to grow it so the quality suffers. The plants certainly prefer being grown outdoors but that definitely doesn't make for better pot.

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I think you have that backwards. Outdoor requires less nasty stuff then indoor. I’ll never smoke anyone else’s indoor. I seen way too much nasty tricks. You don’t know to know what you been smoking all these years. Nova , stuff that kills mites that’s a part of the plant. Most people aren’t going to walk away from a harvest for your safety. If you grow outdoor properly and finish with cold temps colour and temps should be just a s good as any indoor. Terps are a matter of proper hang dry and humidity. 2 weeks for top tier terps followed by hand trim. Won’t matter if it’s grown indoors or outdoors at that point for smell.

My take on it is ive never seen or smoked outdoor that has impressed me. Maybe the problem is there is so much bad or average stuff the good has never made it to me haha

The best weed I've ever smoked was outdoor from Hawaii (not grown by me) and outdoor grown by myself in California. My outdoor stuff grown in the Northern states doesn't compare to those. Climate really is everything. Carefully grown indoor from good genetics is going to be the best in general since the majority of North America is not optimal for growing outdoors.

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Shatter here is 5 a gram in bulk if you know somebody and that's not hard really.
Pounds as low as $500. Locally you can buy an ounce for $160........get a free ounce. And dropping by the week.
This country is FLOODED with weed....it's everywhere.

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It's every where here .But I never buy government shit its garbage .

ComfortCreator said:

That was 25 years ago or so.

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Same here. What has changed since then in your opinion?

ComputerSaysNo said:

Same here. What has changed since then in your opinion?

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Back then, probably really 30 years ago, there wasnt a lot of quality indoor compared to outdoor. So that Amsterdam indoor glowing yarn bud was amazing, as you said genetics not watered down yet, combined with Dutch growers.

The blueberry bud was some really impressive bud, especially the indoor stuff grown in Canada. They had waiting lists at BM dealers to get it, lol. It was that good.

Now that quality can be found in many places. But as a lot of posts have said, most grows in any situation are mediocre or lacking in some areas. Indoor or out, most growers reach a level where it's good enough for them or their customers and they are satisfied. That more elusive Top Shelf is, imo, a lot of looks and smells.

The actual buzz is not all that impressive from most indoor bud imo. Pretty is nice, but I'll smoke crap looking stuff that gets me high over pretty mid grade bleh bud.

Most have no real idea what a great buzz should be, it has become a contest of looking the prettiest. That specifically is why almost all store bud is good, not great. It's made for the masses to ooo and ah and talk about how cool the name is.

I will still take expert outdoor grown bud from anywhere in the world over almost any indoor. Almost. Some has been incredible.

ComfortCreator said:

My brother!

Like a lot of things it is who you know...and who does the grow, that matters. To a lot of younger folks that have only had indoor, they cant imagine how outdoor could come out as good.

That is simply because they dont know the right people. I used to get some of the largest colas of killer 30 years ago from the Midwest. I have also had the killer in most other places, outdoor, before the indoor craze.

Indoors is easier to control. The very best growers are and were outdoor. Its farming. All those seeds and cuts everybody buys comes from them.

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ComfortCreator said:

Back then, probably really 30 years ago, there wasnt a lot of quality indoor compared to outdoor. So that Amsterdam indoor glowing yarn bud was amazing, as you said genetics not watered down yet, combined with Dutch growers.

The blueberry bud was some really impressive bud, especially the indoor stuff grown in Canada. They had waiting lists at BM dealers to get it, lol. It was that good.

Now that quality can be found in many places. But as a lot of posts have said, most grows in any situation are mediocre or lacking in some areas. Indoor or out, most growers reach a level where it's good enough for them or their customers and they are satisfied. That more elusive Top Shelf is, imo, a lot of looks and smells.

The actual buzz is not all that impressive from most indoor bud imo. Pretty is nice, but I'll smoke crap looking stuff that gets me high over pretty mid grade bleh bud.

Most have no real idea what a great buzz should be, it has become a contest of looking the prettiest. That specifically is why almost all store bud is good, not great. It's made for the masses to ooo and ah and talk about how cool the name is.

I will still take expert outdoor grown bud from anywhere in the world over almost any indoor. Almost. Some has been incredible.

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I prefer indoor but I see what you mean. I grew up 50 miles from the texican border and in the 90's we would get outstanding outdoor grown pot. Lime green, skunky smell, classic mexican sativa high that you could build a house while smoking. The mass produced indoor at the time was usaully loaded with chemicals and costed $30 a gram. The outdoor ive smoked from washington state these days is garbage, loaded with "natural" pesticides and nutrients that make it no better than beasters. Thats why they sell it for $100 an ounce. I wish these big farms on the west coast would kick back the fertilizers but theres too much profit to be had and i doubt legalization will change that. atleast here in the states

ComfortCreator said:

Back then, probably really 30 years ago, there wasnt a lot of quality indoor compared to outdoor. So that Amsterdam indoor glowing yarn bud was amazing, as you said genetics not watered down yet, combined with Dutch growers.

The blueberry bud was some really impressive bud, especially the indoor stuff grown in Canada. They had waiting lists at BM dealers to get it, lol. It was that good.

Now that quality can be found in many places. But as a lot of posts have said, most grows in any situation are mediocre or lacking in some areas. Indoor or out, most growers reach a level where it's good enough for them or their customers and they are satisfied. That more elusive Top Shelf is, imo, a lot of looks and smells.

The actual buzz is not all that impressive from most indoor bud imo. Pretty is nice, but I'll smoke crap looking stuff that gets me high over pretty mid grade bleh bud.

Most have no real idea what a great buzz should be, it has become a contest of looking the prettiest. That specifically is why almost all store bud is good, not great. It's made for the masses to ooo and ah and talk about how cool the name is.

I will still take expert outdoor grown bud from anywhere in the world over almost any indoor. Almost. Some has been incredible.

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It's very much like drinking craft beer compared to the cheapest bottle offered.

I'm generally just looking for taste and smell I don't really care a whole lot about the rest.


I dont like cheap or craft beer lol but I like my weed to taste good!

ComfortCreator said:

The actual buzz is not all that impressive from most indoor bud imo. Pretty is nice, but I'll smoke crap looking stuff that gets me high over pretty mid grade bleh bud. Most have no real idea what a great buzz should be, it has become a contest of looking the prettiest.

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It is much easier to go by bag appeal, name, reputation (a.k.a. "hype") and maybe smell, and then take your pick -- compared to actually sampling the product by way of smoking it. And then for more casual partakers the point of "that's good enough, I'll take it" is quickly reached.

Even more true for online BM where you can only go by bag appeal and name. The usual street BM in most places doesn't even give you a choice; you have to take what's available or leave it.

I agree with you that bag appeal, bud density, and even smell shouldn't even matter. What counts is the experience of smoking it.

Of course in the Netherlands, and now in Spain, there is a culture of coffee shops (or social clubs) where one can try everything and then decide to take some home. Does that not exist in NA at least where recreational use is legal?

It would be interesting to know what proportion of the market even cares about quality past the point of "it gets me high and doesn't taste like cardboard". Very hard to say for me, around here only the true "enthusiasts" have the BM contacts necessary to even choose at all. All the casual consumers that I know smoke pretty much anything as long as it gets them high at all.

The situation has changed radically here since 20 years ago. Back then, there was mostly really bad Moroccan hash; getting your hands on actual weed at all was difficult. If you got something, it was from the Netherlands (smuggled). At some point after that, there suddenly was a lot of weed to be had, because people starting growing domestically. Prices haven't changed that much at all.

RobCat said:

I prefer indoor but I see what you mean. I grew up 50 miles from the texican border and in the 90's we would get outstanding outdoor grown pot. Lime green, skunky smell, classic mexican sativa high that you could build a house while smoking. The mass produced indoor at the time was usaully loaded with chemicals and costed $30 a gram. The outdoor ive smoked from washington state these days is garbage, loaded with "natural" pesticides and nutrients that make it no better than beasters. Thats why they sell it for $100 an ounce. I wish these big farms on the west coast would kick back the fertilizers but theres too much profit to be had and i doubt legalization will change that. atleast here in the states

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Well here in Ontario the outdoor is not the same quality as decent indoor. In my early days of smoking weed the only weed we could get here in the north was simply call " Mexican" A real joke by any standards but it's all we saw. It was from bricks and full of stems and seeds and what not. Then I met a guy who had " Mexican flower top " he called it. It was defiantly nicer. But still fairly mediocre.
Remember we weren't near any good outdoor like you USA guys had access to. Here we took what somebody was brave enough to smuggle up here. $20 bucks an ounce. This was WAY before indoor growing caught on. It was imported weed or nothing. The only seeds we had were from the shitty Mexican and completely not suited to growing outside in Canada. some folks tried and ended up with crap mostly. Except one guy I knew. He had a nice outdoor strain that did well here. Fully seeded though in the end.
Then in the 80's we saw Columbian and Acapulco gold. The Gold was always good. The Columbian was hit and miss. Was it from Columbia? Who really knows.
Late 70.s saw what was called "Hawaiian" Omg was it nice. EXTREMLY hard to find. Looked gorgeous compared to other stuff we saw. Most of us had never seen weed that nice before. Gone before you could even get to any a local dealers place. We even saw some Tai stick as it was called (who the fuck knows right) Weed tied around a small bamboo stick. Whatever it was it was very good. Almost unseen though.
So now we hit the 80's and here in Canada indoor growing was catching on. Hydroponics was the buzz word. Boom it took off huge. bust a plenty too. Crazy times really. I got in about 1986. Fruit cellar grow. All divided into two areas.
Now I needed seeds. Saw an ad in High times for a seed catalogue. Sent away for the Seed Bank catalogue in the Netherlands. The gro guy I knew ( Dr Hy-gro ) told me to send some cash to Amsterdam. CASH! in the mail! So off went $500 USD in the mail to some box number in Amsterdam. I was worried. Anyway months later I got all my seeds. Cracked a few and that was the beginning of great weed for me and friends. The skunk #1 stunk so bad (great) that my house was a skunk zone.

ComputerSaysNo said:

It would be interesting to know what proportion of the market even cares about quality past the point of "it gets me high and doesn't taste like cardboard".

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Everybody cares. Once people have the ability to actually make a choice nobody wants scraggly mids. Look at wine or vodka, exact same effects from the $5 bottle as the $500 bottle yet the $5 bottles never sell very well in comparison to the mid-range options.

If you ask any budtender in North America, very rarely does anybody walk though the doors just wanting the cheapest option available, regardless of anything else.

Also, if outdoor bud was truly more potent or had higher terp content it would show up in the tests but it doesn't. The only commercial cannabinoid that seems to truly flourish outdoors rather than inside (with all else being equal) is CBD.