Weed in Canada has ZERO value

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ComfortCreator

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The USA went into overdrive with domestic grows in 1990, when Pres. Bush cracked down and made getting any bud almost impossible.

It forced local grows. Bush really is why the USA began producing so much. After that, there was never a famine again.
 
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DancesWithWorms said:
Once people have the ability to actually make a choice nobody wants scraggly mids. Look at wine or vodka, exact same effects from the $5 bottle as the $500 bottle yet the $5 bottles never sell very well in comparison to the mid-range options.
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Looking at wine, the mid-range where I live is € 4-6 (that would be CAD 6-9); definitely by far the dominating price range on the shelves. Appears to sell very well, nothing "scraggly" about it.

Now, what is "mid-range" for Cannabis? Obviously in Canada that's way lower than in Europe.
In Europe we've had stable BM prices for years, decades even. I think that really put a price anchor in place.

I guess that the current price anchor (€10/g, about CAD15) would define "upper-mid range" for the foreseeable future. It's what people are used to pay for "acceptable" quality, whatever that may be.

Probably the "acceptable quality" bar would move before prices would change.
 
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The Hippy said:
Well here in Ontario the outdoor is not the same quality as decent indoor. In my early days of smoking weed the only weed we could get here in the north was simply call " Mexican" A real joke by any standards but it's all we saw. It was from bricks and full of stems and seeds and what not. Then I met a guy who had " Mexican flower top " he called it. It was defiantly nicer. But still fairly mediocre.
Remember we weren't near any good outdoor like you USA guys had access to. Here we took what somebody was brave enough to smuggle up here. $20 bucks an ounce. This was WAY before indoor growing caught on. It was imported weed or nothing. The only seeds we had were from the shitty Mexican and completely not suited to growing outside in Canada. some folks tried and ended up with crap mostly. Except one guy I knew. He had a nice outdoor strain that did well here. Fully seeded though in the end.
Then in the 80's we saw Columbian and Acapulco gold. The Gold was always good. The Columbian was hit and miss. Was it from Columbia? Who really knows.
Late 70.s saw what was called "Hawaiian" Omg was it nice. EXTREMLY hard to find. Looked gorgeous compared to other stuff we saw. Most of us had never seen weed that nice before. Gone before you could even get to any a local dealers place. We even saw some Tai stick as it was called (who the fuck knows right) Weed tied around a small bamboo stick. Whatever it was it was very good. Almost unseen though.
So now we hit the 80's and here in Canada indoor growing was catching on. Hydroponics was the buzz word. Boom it took off huge. bust a plenty too. Crazy times really. I got in about 1986. Fruit cellar grow. All divided into two areas.
Now I needed seeds. Saw an ad in High times for a seed catalogue. Sent away for the Seed Bank catalogue in the Netherlands. The gro guy I knew ( Dr Hy-gro ) told me to send some cash to Amsterdam. CASH! in the mail! So off went $500 USD in the mail to some box number in Amsterdam. I was worried. Anyway months later I got all my seeds. Cracked a few and that was the beginning of great weed for me and friends. The skunk #1 stunk so bad (great) that my house was a skunk zone.
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Wow man I had no idea you guys were getting mexican weed up north. I always assumed your outdoor would have been far better. But in Mexico they can grow it year round outside so business is always booming. Im only 38 but I really miss the gentle high from some well grown brick weed, even if it was compressed to the point that it looked bad. Im sure youve heard of Ace Seeds? Ive been growing their Panama, Honduras, and Tikal for years now, all south american strains. They may not be the same great old school but they're as close as you'll get these days. Theres also Green Mountain Seeds. They have a strain I just grew called Mountain Gold. Its a cross of Federations' Hawaiian x Oaxacan gold. Below is a cured photo of the Hawaiian pheno. Very sweet tasting and a gentle high thats great for wake'n'bake.
 

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ComfortCreator

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ComputerSaysNo said:
Looking at wine, the mid-range where I live is € 4-6 (that would be CAD 6-9); definitely by far the dominating price range on the shelves. Appears to sell very well, nothing "scraggly" about it.

Now, what is "mid-range" for Cannabis? Obviously in Canada that's way lower than in Europe.
In Europe we've had stable BM prices for years, decades even. I think that really put a price anchor in place.

I guess that the current price anchor (€10/g, about CAD15) would define "upper-mid range" for the foreseeable future. It's what people are used to pay for "acceptable" quality, whatever that may be.

Probably the "acceptable quality" bar would move before prices would change.
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I dont know Europe at all really. 2 questions if you would share --

Is it legal, or almost legal, anywhere in Europe? Are there know countries or regions that are famous for their grows besides the Netherlands?

I've never heard that say french wine country also has amazing bud...but I bet it does

What I'm thinking is, Europe, somewhere, should have growing conditions at least as good as the USA...
 
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ComfortCreator said:
I dont know Europe at all really. 2 questions if you would share --
Is it legal, or almost legal, anywhere in Europe? Are there know countries or regions that are famous for their grows besides the Netherlands?
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Widely different right now. "Europe", as in "The European Union", is supposed to align its national laws as far as possible. That's a very slow process in many areas (as one would assume...). There are lots of political tensions right now because of that (some Eastern EU countries are de-democratizing for example, but you can't just kick them out).

With regards to Cannabis, there are countries where it is quasi-legal, such as the Netherlands and Spain. In many other countries it is at least tolerated for personal possession.

Growing for personal use is legal in some countries, not legal in most others.

Penalties in general are much lower than in North America. We do not have a retributive penal system around here. If you go away for say, 15 years, you've committed a capital crime. Does not happen for victim-less crimes such as drug trafficking, unless capital crime is involved as well.

Still, if you live in an illegal country, where it is at most "tolerated" for minor possession, there's a risk involved with growing at home. You can get raided and that's a lot of trouble, both legally and financially. Usually you'll get away with a hefty fine and a parole as a first offender, but still... not exactly something you want on your CV.

The Netherlands are certainly famous for their grows and their liberal Cannabis legislation for decades. Troves of tourists go to Amsterdam to get weed. The Dutch have imposed more strict rules (no selling to foreigners) because of that. There's also a lot of smuggling from NL to neighbouring countries. I think nowadays so much is grown domestically that there isn't that much smuggling anymore.

It's easy to order top-notch seeds from Netherlands and Spain. Technically illegal, but impossible to enforce because seeds are practically undetectable by customs and the breeders ship very discreetly (hand-written envelopes and the jazz).

You never know where the weed comes from but my guess is that a HUGE amount nowadays is just grown domestically.

I've never heard that say french wine country also has amazing bud...but I bet it does
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Cannabis is quite illegal in France, definitely not going to be grown in open there. Their wine is great, but there are lots of good wine regions in Europe. Spain, Germany, Luxemburg.

What I'm thinking is, Europe, somewhere, should have growing conditions at least as good as the USA...
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Of course, the entirety of southern Europe, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece... plenty of countries. You can grow quite well in southern Germany, France, the Balcan states etc. as well, the climate is quite temperate, not a lot of frosts during October.
 
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ComputerSaysNo said:
Widely different right now. "Europe", as in "The European Union", is supposed to align its national laws as far as possible. That's a very slow process in many areas (as one would assume...). There are lots of political tensions right now because of that (some Eastern EU countries are de-democratizing for example, but you can't just kick them out).

With regards to Cannabis, there are countries where it is quasi-legal, such as the Netherlands and Spain. In many other countries it is at least tolerated for personal possession.

Growing for personal use is legal in some countries, not legal in most others.

Penalties in general are much lower than in North America. We do not have a retributive penal system around here. If you go away for say, 15 years, you've committed a capital crime. Does not happen for victim-less crimes such as drug trafficking, unless capital crime is involved as well.

Still, if you live in an illegal country, where it is at most "tolerated" for minor possession, there's a risk involved with growing at home. You can get raided and that's a lot of trouble, but legally and financially. Usually you'll get away with a hefty fine and a parole as a first offender, but still... not exactly something you want on your CV.

The Netherlands are certainly famous for their grows and their liberal Cannabis legislation for decades. Troves of tourists go to Amsterdam to get weed. The Dutch have imposed more strict rules (no selling to foreigners) because of that. There's also a lot of smuggling from NL to neighbouring countries. I think nowadays so much is grown domestically that there isn't that much smuggling anymore.

It's easy to order top-notch seeds from Netherlands and Spain. Technically illegal, but impossible to enforce because seeds are practically undetectable by customs and the breeders ship very discreetly (hand-written envelopes and the jazz).

You never know where the weed comes from but my guess is that a HUGE amount nowadays is just grown domestically.


Cannabis is quite illegal in France, definitely not going to be grown in open there. Their wine is great, but there are lots of good wine regions in Europe. Spain, Germany, Luxemburg.


Of course, the entirety of southern Europe, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece... plenty of countries. You can grow quite well in southern Germany, France, the Balcan states etc. as well, the climate is quite temperate, not a lot of frosts during October.
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This is great stuff thanks.

Before NL cracked down, people were going in, buying whatever they want and driving or training right out of town with it? That sounds like it was awesome.

It was friends coming back from the 'Dam that exposed me to what indoor had to offer. Wow were they ahead of the curve.
 
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ComputerSaysNo

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ComfortCreator said:
Before NL cracked down, people were going in, buying whatever they want and driving or training right out of town with it? That sounds like it was awesome.
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Well, it wasn't exactly a secret that people would do that. So there were a lot of customs controls in place.

You have to know that in the EU we have what's called "Free Movement". That means you can go anywhere for work, there are no customs checks, no visa, none of that. Economically it's pretty much like a big federal state. Of course there still are checks in special cases, such as Cannabis trafficking. Also during COVID a lot of countries closed borders, that was even seen as decidedly weakening the EU as a policitical body.

Great Britain (not so great any more...) has famously left the EU ("Brexit"). Not a smart move if you ask me. Not sure about the weed situation over there, it's one of the medium-road countries. Lots of domestic weed in UK for sure.

It was friends coming back from the 'Dam that exposed me to what indoor had to offer. Wow were they ahead of the curve.
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Extremely ahead of the curve. The Cannabis world would look entirely different had they not liberalized in the 70s.
 
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In relation to outdoor weed.
If I was my car on Monday, by Wednesday it has a fine layer of dust on it. I live in the city by the way. If I were to wait 3 weeks again to wash it it's quite covered in dust unless it rains. So my Q is how much dust and shit must there be on out side weed? Does it wash off in the rain? Do we smoke it then if not?
After all you can't wash it like vegetables can be.
Just a thought.
I do know in the old day the brick weed contained dirt for sure. So either the weed was dusty and dirty or some dirt was there from other sources. Either way you find actual grit after rolling doobs at times.
 
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The Hippy said:
In relation to outdoor weed.
If I was my car on Monday, by Wednesday it has a fine layer of dust on it. I live in the city by the way. If I were to wait 3 weeks again to wash it it's quite covered in dust unless it rains. So my Q is how much dust and shit must there be on out side weed? Does it wash off in the rain? Do we smoke it then if not?
After all you can't wash it like vegetables can be.
Just a thought.
I do know in the old day the brick weed contained dirt for sure. So either the weed was dusty and dirty or some dirt was there from other sources. Either way you find actual grit after rolling doobs at times.
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Back in the day, i literally picked bugs and toenails out of brick..... so gross
 
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The growers on our west coast (here, in the forum) have discussed how they wash their outdoor bud before hanging it.

I used to get some of the finest outdoor cali and it was the bomb....and occasionally we would have these tiny little orange worms. I'm not sure if they were bud worms or other (a cali grower will know) but we didnt care it was simply amazing.

Brick bud omg wow that stuff was cheap and got us high. Then higher quality Mexican cane along...then domestic production of same ans then elevated big time by the genetics push
 
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flawlesscrew

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The Hippy said:
In relation to outdoor weed.
If I was my car on Monday, by Wednesday it has a fine layer of dust on it. I live in the city by the way. If I were to wait 3 weeks again to wash it it's quite covered in dust unless it rains. So my Q is how much dust and shit must there be on out side weed? Does it wash off in the rain? Do we smoke it then if not?
After all you can't wash it like vegetables can be.
Just a thought.
I do know in the old day the brick weed contained dirt for sure. So either the weed was dusty and dirty or some dirt was there from other sources. Either way you find actual grit after rolling doobs at times.
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Rain goes hand in hand with fall weather. If not then the early morning dew will rinse off. Never really had an issue with dusty product. Never even heard of such a complaint. People will always find something to complain about.
 
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Rain goes hand in hand with fall weather. If not then the early morning dew will rinse off. Never really had an issue with dusty product. Never even heard of such a complaint. People will always find something to complain about.
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It wasn't something or speculated...it was actual dirt. Re-read
 
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Boatguy said:
The green brick!!! i couldnt believe it when i found it.
The kinds, from vermont for me here quickly replaced it, followed quickly by maine..... The days of brick were done here
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Did you ever see the film "Cisco Pike" It starred Chris Christofferson and Gene Hackman. Karen black plays the Hippy girlfriend.
I always liked this film very much.
Hackman plays a cop who blackmails Cisco into moving a couple hundred red bricks of weed in a few days. If you can watch I recommend you do.
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The Hippy said:
Did you ever see the film "Cisco Pike" It starred Chris Christofferson and Gene Hackman. Karen black plays the Hippy girlfriend.
I always liked this film very much.
Hackman plays a cop who blackmails Cisco into moving a couple hundred red bricks of weed in a few days. If you can watch I recommend you do.
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I'll always remember Karen Black for the film trilogy of terror. When she buys that voodoo doll that goes bat shit crazy and chases her all over the apartment. Horror films from the 80's were just hilarious :grin:
 
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