Weed in Canada has ZERO value

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ComfortCreator

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Ozumoz66 said:
Dry sift (kief) is gathered by tumbling dry plant matter in a variable speed, rotating drum with a 150 micron mesh. I use one made by Tom's Tumbler, which can hold about 3-5lbs of ground up buds. Yields vary (10 to 23%) but late harvest popcorn buds have the highest yield (by weight) due to surface area available for trichomes to grow on.

Bubble hash uses water and ice to remove the trichomes. One must agitate the mixture for a duration for the trichomes to break free from the plant matter. Multiple sizes of mesh bags can used to get different grades of extraction. This method is much more labour intensive than dry sift extraction.

The kief can easily be decarbed and stuffed into capsule for a powerful sugar free gummy alternative.

This is a larger unit than what I have. I run mine for about 3hrs at a slow speed and collect trichomes throughout the run for various grades of kief. The first unit I made was powered by a BBQ rotisserie motor and took about 30hrs for one run.



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Wow I think I know something about cannabis and someone just opens up the door to an entirely new idea (for me).

There is a lot going into your process and what you have worked out. That product you showed earlier is stellar looking and would sell anywhere.

Do you have thoughts on bubble vs the dry sift? It is really odd in my view to drown bud in water to later dry it out but I can understand it is an extraction process. I'm not for or against it, but have a ton of stuff to process. I guess I could try both?
 
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ComfortCreator

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ComputerSaysNo said:
No way. Did this actually happen or is that rhetoric now?


A lot of breeders qualify their seeds that way nowadays, don't they?


Numbers are always the cheap cop-out for lack of creativity or laziness in marketing. To be fair, it often works.

I have worked with computers for three decades and it has always been the running joke in our business how inadequate the citing of numbers is when trying to market computers or software; GHz, Terabytes, RPMs, etc., in so many cases it's completely meaningless.
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There are threads, or at least mentions in here somewhere about it. It happened a lot - they were expensive, and getting them was not easy for the average person.

You bring up a good point about the breeder descriptions. Yet...when I think of consumers, they arent reading the breeder descriptions of the 30 or 50 kinds available. They should, but they don't. Part of the problem is the breeders are FOS for the most part. The strain itself, in it's best form may very well do those things, but most versions are mediocre ime.

THC% sure does sell bud. I know several people going to dispensaries constantly, and there are several ways they reference it. But it is always on their minds. To be fair, for the price of store bus they should make sure it is very potent.

Similar on computers I was a whizz kid with them decades ago learning assembly language. I love your RPM comment it takes an oldie to say that. In a thread somewhere I referenced the earliest online game I can recall, Zork. Curious if you saw that. It may have been U.S. dialup only then, and only through corporate systems.
 
Ozumoz66

Ozumoz66

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ComfortCreator said:
Wow I think I know something about cannabis and someone just opens up the door to an entirely new idea (for me).

There is a lot going into your process and what you have worked out. That product you showed earlier is stellar looking and would sell anywhere.

Do you have thoughts on bubble vs the dry sift? It is really odd in my view to drown bud in water to later dry it out but I can understand it is an extraction process. I'm not for or against it, but have a ton of stuff to process. I guess I could try both?
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Dry sift is a better way to go imo - less work for sure.

You can also control the amount of plant contaminates better with dry sift than bubble bag hash. During the tumbling process you can visually inspect the product being extracted. Once you see plant matter in the mix, you can either stop your extraction or keep going. The first 20 minutes of the process makes the best hash. That's why I collect the kief at various stages of the extraction. You can't inspect the contamination of plant matter during the bubble bag extraction method.

Although it's a great finished product, it's of little value anymore. I'd be tickled to get $5/g.
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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ComfortCreator said:
Similar on computers I was a whizz kid with them decades ago learning assembly language. I love your RPM comment it takes an oldie to say that. In a thread somewhere I referenced the earliest online game I can recall, Zork. Curious if you saw that. It may have been U.S. dialup only then, and only through corporate systems.
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We're probably about the same age. I started with a C=64. Then Amiga, PC only after Linux was usable. Good times.

RPMs... yeah. Let's make CD-ROM drives not even slightly more useful but infinitely more annoying by running them at 40x speed.

Never played Zork, played other interactive fiction ("text adventure") titles though. This one here is AMAZING: https://www.eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/ (it's from the late 90s, though, not from the Zork era).

Favourite game of all time is Dungeon Master (on the Amiga).

Played Trade Wars passionately with my friends on 2400bps dial up. In a country where phone calls where billed by the 10 minutes back then.
 
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DancesWithWorms

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Your environment often dictates method, very difficult to do dry sift runs if it's warm/humid or both.

Much nicer making hash in a cold dry environment but doing a bubble run can be done in heat/humidity, dry sift not so much.
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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Ozumoz66 said:
Bad idea. Also not possible.

Here's a few icecream pails of ground up bud in the tumbler. It doesn't resemble flower at all. The tumbled plant matter is used for chicken bedding.
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I was joking. However, don't you think it would be worth cooking the leftovers in butter to extract the rest of it? Should still make for some potent butter, or not?
 
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Ozumoz66

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ComputerSaysNo said:
I was joking. However, don't you think it would be worth cooking the leftovers in butter to extract the rest of it? Should still make for some potent butter, or not?
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No. Once you've removed most of the goodness, there's not much left. You're welcome to try though.
 
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Ozumoz66

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ComfortCreator said:
Tom's tumblers look nice. They are pricey at $500 to start. Are there any inexpensive ones that I could use that dont need to trim?
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I'm not familiar with the variety of tumblers on the market but a quick search came up with trimleaf and pollenmaster. You could also custom build your own - lots of plans out there.
 
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Ozumoz66

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ComfortCreator said:
I really like Rum's comment on the soapy stuff --

My friends actually called it Soapium, as the belief it was some form of watered down opium. Lol fuk that was hash? It sucked.

Hash or hash oil were rare in the 80s and 90s in my part of the US. They were very good, I heard Lebanese or Turkish many times, although theres no way to know.

It was our belief that most of it came in through NY somewhere (smuggled to NY port then into mainland).

The issue we had with hash, which looked at the time just like the pic in the post above, was it killed your lungs, fast. Like concentrates today can do in high enough quantity.

Brick bud was all we had access to for a long time.

For a while I was in Florida.
In Florida, some awesome crazy sxxx happened. They began growing locally, and IDK who did it but they began growing stuff that was true crush your skull quality. Made Hawaiian look gentle. Called the Krippy or some variation, it was some form of Afghani and it was one hit wonder.

It is not around anymore. The strain named Crippy ain't it. Triangle kush sure isnt it. It was lost like many incredible strains.

When Bush 1 cracked down (after Reagan, whose wife gifted us "Just Say No"), he inadvertently destroyed the import market and caused the great local grows to begin. As mentioned the cartel moved into national forests, and at the same time, the daring folks who had already been growing outdoor began stealing street lights and started to grow indoors.

As we discussed a few times, from my perspective, what has been lost is a true judgement of quality of buzz, vs taste and appearance.

We never knew what kind we had, but we judged the fxxx out of it and knew what was good and what wasn't.

So little discussion about actual buzzes
Sure they are subjective but

Euphoria
Energy
Couch lock
Talkative
Hungry
Racy
Wavy
Brain fog
Long lasting
Fast acting

Used to be what we discussed, not if it looks pretty.

I like the pretty bud, but hate that all the discussion about quality has moved from what it does to how it looks and tastes.

And how high the thc is. It is so not the measure of quality...
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Some great points being made here. The demand for the appearance of bud changed recently. Not sure who created the notion that it's relevant to the overall experience, just before it's turned to ash. The dense, tightly manicured bud being offered these days is overrated imo. Sunshine grown is where it's at for me. :bigjoint:
 
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Rurumo

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Pre 9/11 I could get bricks of Lebanese hash in the Bay Area with some Sheik's face imprinted on them with some Arabic writing, and also, bags of blonde Lebanese kief in some kind of wax paper, sealed with a wax stamp. I'm not old enough to have gotten the real Thai sticks and Nepalese Temple Balls in the 70s, but I feel privileged to have had that spectacular Lebanese stuff in the 90s. Sad to see the state Lebanon is in now, a return to their traditional cannabis culture would be a tremendous economic and social benefit to the country.
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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Ozumoz66 said:
The demand for the appearance of bud changed recently. Not sure who created the notion that it's relevant to the overall experience, just before it's turned to ash. The dense, tightly manicured bud being offered these days is overrated imo.
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It's only natural, it's the same with food. If it looks better, it must taste better, right?

Then there is more online shopping now, everybody is used to looking at pretty pictures, and it's often a major decision factor for the buying decision. Breeders, dispensaries, they all try their hardest to only publish glossy images of the merchandise. It sets the bar higher.

I guess back in the days there just was no Instagram culture, not a lot of pictures of flower that you could actually buy then and there, so there was no reference point (or imagined one) how "quality bud" is supposed to look like.
 
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flawlesscrew

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Ozumoz66 said:
~20g of dry sift from 16 varieties, mainly sativas, placed into a dabpress mold then left on the hot driveway for an hour or so. Then squeeze the press with your hands (not a clamp) and you've got hash.

In the late 80's hash was preferred by many, but not so much anymore.

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That looks good. I have a 4500gram pollinator. The things a beast I have so much hash. But no demand. One my patients used to love the stuff but he’s not around anymore.
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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ComfortCreator said:
Tom's tumblers look nice. They are pricey at $500 to start. Are there any inexpensive ones that I could use that dont need to trim?
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You should probably look into "dry ice hash". I will definitely do that with my next crop. Looks incredibly easy, costs almost nothing.
GrowWeedEasy has a good article and video demo. Almost no instructions needed, though.
 
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ComfortCreator

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ComputerSaysNo said:
You should probably look into "dry ice hash". I will definitely do that with my next crop. Looks incredibly easy, costs almost nothing.
GrowWeedEasy has a good article and video demo. Almost no instructions needed, though.
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I've got the basic equipment, just havent run it. Dunking it all in water and straining it out and drying it again, lol butter sure is easy!
 
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