Week 6 of Flower - Leaves Yellowing / Spotting / Browning

SpideyManDan

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I think what you're talking about is the result of performing Kyle Kushman's Chiropractic Technique prior to switching my lights to 12 / 12. If you haven't seen this video yet, I highly recommend it. This guy is the Master Breeder responsible for the Strain Strawberry Cough:
Dude watching him trim that thing hurt my soul. Like i know it needed to be defol'ed but that was painful lmao. When i do pruning i try and do it over a week or a couple days as to not freak it out so much, but to each their own. Im pretty sure he knows what he is doing too, apparently hes been in the game for a little while.
 

Ukulele Haze

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I would flush just in case then if you dont have EC meter. restart with regular nutes, in my experience as long as nutrients are given immediately after, flushes improve growth if there is any imbalance. Haha if only it were that simple! we all water with PH in correct range, but it can drift DRASTICALLY in the media, especially if there not enough runoff or the medium dries out. I water in same PH range as you and ive had plants hit 8PH in media; they recovered nicely after flush and feed.

Decent little plant there though, just hope the genetics pan out.
I had no clue about the drift phenomenon you're talking about. I was hoping I could ask you the best way to go about the flush. I know there are flushing products out there. I was looking at the FoxFarm "Bush Doctor" Sledgehammer product earlier. I don't know if something like that would be in order? Or, if I could simply pH adjust some tap water and give the plant that. Like GreenestBasterd stated, I am probably getting pretty close to the point where I should be concluding my nutrient regimen anyway.
 

FastFreddi

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I had no clue about the drift phenomenon you're talking about. I was hoping I could ask you the best way to go about the flush. I know there are flushing products out there. I was looking at the FoxFarm "Bush Doctor" Sledgehammer product earlier. I don't know if something like that would be in order? Or, if I could simply pH adjust some tap water and give the plant that. Like GreenestBasterd stated, I am probably getting pretty close to the point where I should be concluding my nutrient regimen anyway.
Go with good ole plain ph'd water with a very very light feed in it to leach the soil.
FF
 

Ukulele Haze

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Go with good ole plain ph'd water with a very very light feed in it to leach the soil.
FF
That sounds nice and easy to do. The only reservation I have about your suggestion stems from what I have read in the past. From my understanding, when a person flushes their plant towards the end of the grow, the leaves change dramatically in a yellowing fashion. So, I am afraid to do it early like this if it might result in more discoloration.
 

FastFreddi

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That sounds nice and easy to do. The only reservation I have about your suggestion stems from what I have read in the past. From my understanding, when a person flushes their plant towards the end of the grow, the leaves change dramatically in a yellowing fashion. So, I am afraid to do it early like this if it might result in more discoloration.
Hence the light ,full nutrient dose...the amount you put through will clear any built up salts, whilst leaving food behind. You should have a better understanding of what may be happening after.
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A e o n

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Id only using a clearing solution, like sledgehammer, for the final 2-3 days before harvest; it pre-ripens the buds if used earlier. Best flush is 1/4 strength nute if using RO, or plain water if using tap. Yes PH adjust flush water, but hopefully its not necessary. I would not stop using nutrient soon, IMO they are just starting to need them for bulk and ripen. Ive been doing experiment with flushing for the past few months and Ive learned much. Mainly if the plant doesn't have nutrients the final product will be inferior! So the trick is to find how to flush while still giving plant nutrients. All this flushing info refers to hydro, not organic which is a different beast. So far what Im doing has created a much smoother smoke and I know I can do even more while still keeping the plant growing healthy with lots of terpenes. But its very controversial, since the flush is heated debate. Im going with works for me through my repeated trial + errors and sharing that.
 

Ukulele Haze

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Hence the light ,full nutrient dose...the amount you put through will clear any built up salts, whilst leaving food behind. You should have a better understanding of what may be happening after.
FF
Next up in my feeding regimen (details in my first post) are 6 Teaspoons of FoxFarm Big Bloom (the organic fertilizer) and 1/5 Teaspoon of Molasses. If I cut that down to say 2 Teaspoons of Big Bloom and no Molasses, I am wondering if that could do anything beneficial.

It's possible I might be overdoing it on the Molasses anyway. If I'm honest, I think many times I put more on the spoon than I should have.
 
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SpideyManDan

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Next up in my feeding regimen (details in my first post) are 6 Teaspoons of FoxFarm Big Bloom (the organic fertilizer) and 1/5 Teaspoon of Molasses. If I cut that down to say 2 Teaspoons of Big Bloom and no Molasses, I am wondering if that could do anything beneficial.

It's possible I might be overdoing it on the Molasses anyway. If I'm honest, I think many times I put more on the spoon than I should have.
Molasses is mostly for the beneficial bacteria that are in the soil anyway, a little over doing it wont give it any nutrient burn. I imagine way too much could possibly lock some other nutrient out tho, but i dont know for sure. Yeah i second what FastFreddi said about flushing but with a low dose of nutrients in the regular tap water that you use. That way you are flushing out any stupid excess that you might have any are still leaving the plant with some to work with.

IMO flushing and the reason why a lot of people suggest doing it are inaccurate. You flush to get rid of excess nutrients so the plant uses up its storage instead of taking in new nutrients. Although, again IMO, flushing should only be reserved for trying to balance out your medium because you screwed up some where and you are simply trying to restart.

Oh and i would stay away from any flushing product, its simply not needed any its a way for you to just spend more money.
 

FastFreddi

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Molasses is mostly for the beneficial bacteria that are in the soil anyway, a little over doing it wont give it any nutrient burn. I imagine way too much could possibly lock some other nutrient out tho, but i dont know for sure. Yeah i second what FastFreddi said about flushing but with a low dose of nutrients in the regular tap water that you use. That way you are flushing out any stupid excess that you might have any are still leaving the plant with some to work with.

IMO flushing and the reason why a lot of people suggest doing it are inaccurate. You flush to get rid of excess nutrients so the plant uses up its storage instead of taking in new nutrients. Although, again IMO, flushing should only be reserved for trying to balance out your medium because you screwed up some where and you are simply trying to restart.
All of this is most excellent Sir.
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Ukulele Haze

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Dude watching him trim that thing hurt my soul. Like i know it needed to be defol'ed but that was painful lmao. When i do pruning i try and do it over a week or a couple days as to not freak it out so much, but to each their own. Im pretty sure he knows what he is doing too, apparently hes been in the game for a little while.
Yes I do believe he knows what he's talking about. I followed his advice of getting rid of anything that didn't break the halfway point in plant height. Admittedly, the plant did look pretty sparse afterward, but I gave it a few days to recover before flipping. Over the course of a week or two it really filled out nicely. I am going back to growing Auto-flowers next time. With recovery time being an issue, I probably won't be able to do it the same way.
 

SpideyManDan

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Yes I do believe he knows what he's talking about. I followed his advice of getting rid of anything that didn't break the halfway point in plant height. Admittedly, the plant did look pretty sparse afterward, but I gave it a few days to recover before flipping. Over the course of a week or two it really filled out nicely. I am going back to growing Auto-flowers next time. With recovery time being an issue, I probably won't be able to do it the same way.
Hmm. So far on the two photoperiods that i have growing ive only done LST and i guess i plan on topping it at one point. II am in the process of germinating an auto for the hell of it and knowing it will be fairly easy to just blast it with light, dont screw it up, and just let it roll. I suppose ill see how it goes haha. I know with autos you have to be careful because of the limited time frame, but i am really curious how you would treat an auto. I suppose just LST and light defol if possible, maybe no topping?

If you have any ideas i would love to know.
 

Ukulele Haze

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Hmm. So far on the two photoperiods that i have growing ive only done LST and i guess i plan on topping it at one point. II am in the process of germinating an auto for the hell of it and knowing it will be fairly easy to just blast it with light, dont screw it up, and just let it roll. I suppose ill see how it goes haha. I know with autos you have to be careful because of the limited time frame, but i am really curious how you would treat an auto. I suppose just LST and light defol if possible, maybe no topping?

If you have any ideas i would love to know.
They say LST is completely safe for Autos. Many Auto growers get all the results they really need from that in terms of yield. Topping has always been a controversial subject with Autos. Though, this article seems to indicate yes it's OK if the plant is healthy:


I would personally approach defoliation on a leaf-by-leaf basis. I don't think I would do a broad sweep with an Auto like I did with Wilma Wonka.

On a side note, you might be on to something with that "red stem" thing. I reviewed an older photo of my plant and don't see the red stems as much. Now I am starting to question whether or not the pen tester I have been using for pH testing is calibrated right. Then again, I suppose red stems could be a genetic trait that comes out with maturity for this strain, too.

30 days from soil breach (pictured)
80 days from soil breach currently


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Please ignore my poorly executed first attempt at cloning on the right :lol:
 

SpideyManDan

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They say LST is completely safe for Autos. Many Auto growers get all the results they really need from that in terms of yield. Topping has always been a controversial subject with Autos. Though, this article seems to indicate yes it's OK if the plant is healthy:


I would personally approach defoliation on a leaf-by-leaf basis. I don't think I would do a broad sweep with an Auto like I did with Wilma Wonka.

On a side note, you might be on to something with that "red stem" thing. I reviewed an older photo of my plant and don't see the red stems as much. Now I am starting to question whether or not the pen tester I have been using for pH testing is calibrated right. Then again, I suppose red stems could be a genetic trait that comes out with maturity for this strain, too.

30 days from soil breach (pictured)
80 days from soil breach currently


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Please ignore my poorly executed first attempt at cloning on the right :lol:
Haha no worries. I tried something like that too and my "clone" was a complete fail! :lol:

So about the red stems, you can even see it on that fan leave to the front of the plant in the picture. Part of the outside stem that is getting hit by light has turned purple, where as the part that is closer in and shaded more does not have any. I personally look at that like a sunburn and think the light might be too high. Could be just based on a little stress and its completely fine, but its something i noticed lately on my newish seedlings.
 

Ukulele Haze

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I personally look at that like a sunburn and think the light might be too high.
I dunno man. curious2garden says turn the lights up. You say turn the lights down.

You tell me I need more feed during flower. FastFreddi tells me to flush with less feed.

After a while, it gets pretty confusing and hard to tell what direction to go with things.

 

SpideyManDan

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I dunno man. curious2garden says turn the lights up. You say turn the lights down.

You tell me I need more feed during flower. FastFreddi tells me to flush with less feed.

After a while, it gets pretty confusing and hard to tell what direction to go with things.
Ok, youre right. I would take our advice, use it too see if you can narrow down the problem and when you think your pretty sure, apply one of our solutions and see if it works. Thats really the only way when working with things like this. I can give you advice based on just what i see, but only you are there hand and hand with your plants. Ill shut up and if you need someone to shout out to im here.
 

Ukulele Haze

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Whichever route you go, ensure to give your plants some time....if you try several remedies at once, you will never know which one was right...
Good luck op.
FF
You know, the more I think about it, the more I am starting to believe some of the earliest posters on this Thread had the right idea. I am going go simply let the plant "fade out." It's approaching the end of it's life cycle.

I am especially encouraged after what I witnessed last night. I made a little "evening call" to make sure it's not under-watered again. I happened to grab a hold of one of the smaller buds towards the bottom of the plant and it was SUPER dense. I forgot this strain was like that. I think I might have some fire on my hands here. Then again, so was the gas from which the bagseed came.

Thanks again everybody for your time and support.
 
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