Well, if you believe in the 2nd Amendment, Obama has a surprise for you...

punkenstien

Well-Known Member
Didn't have a chance to read thru 16 pgs but there is no fuckin way Obama intends to anything but collect money from the gun lobby. Gun sellers are making millions a month on sales of ar15s alone. Obama is the gun industries biggest salesman
 

ricky1lung

Well-Known Member
I already brought it, over and over and over again.....

You did not prove anything I said to be wrong, you constantly changed
the subject matter at hand in an attempt to discredit me, whereas I came
back with more facts that are yet to be proven otherwise by you.

Im not retiring, Im still here. Im simply telling you and the world that you don't
know what you are talking about and have entered into a battle of wits and are
losing greatly.

You are not influencing anyone. The facts are readily available if you choose
to find them.

Now type in your keyboard ( you know that thing in front of you with all those letters)

D O E S E N G L A N D O W N C A N A D A

Caps and spaces to make it easy for you to understand, no shouting, merely emphasis again.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I brought, not proof, OK. I brought some evidence to strongly suggest what I propose as a discussion point.

And yet, is that just foot stamping to go along with your other smoke clouds? You provide a few links and said see for yourself, I did.

I posted verbatim from these links and others, carefully referenced, and annotated, that should be saying to you, think again.

So, bring some text and discuss it like a man and stop with the quiffing, OK. Bring beef.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Nice...finally something.

We do all this ourselves without any bureaucracy of foreign govt advice and behind the scenes diplomatic manuvers you can't guess about. But I sure can. You think are as free as the USA.

There is most important Ceremonial kow-tow to a foregen Queen you supported against us, to confuse the populace. We don't have the press rules forced from England, either. So, we know more. We pay big buck and better to know more.

We cannot have hate speech, ever. Only hate deeds. We rebelled. And you think this all is an advantage but we went to war about it more than once.
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The Governor-General is The Queen's representative in Canada. As such, he or she performs the same constitutional role in Canada as The Queen does in the United Kingdom. (do you think the Queen and her wealth doesn't influence GB?)

The Queen maintains direct contact with the Governor-General, although she delegates executive power to the Governor-General in virtually every respect.

Since 1 October 2010 The Queen has been represented by His Excellency the Right Honourable David Johnston.

The Governor-General's role is built on four major themes: representing the Crown in Canada; representing Canadians abroad ( you are not representing yourself even) and promoting their sovereignty; celebrating excellence and bringing Canadians together.

As the representative of The Queen in Canada, the Governor-General summons, opens and ends sessions (oh, there is real power there that you are unaware of.) of Parliament, reads the Speech from the Throne, gives Royal Assent ( more power that can be withheld, check your history) to bills passed by the House of Commons and the Senate, signs State documents, and dissolves Parliament (if the Crown objects in some future conflict, Canada is fucked legally) for an election. The Governor-General also presides over the swearing-in of the Prime Minister, the Chief Justice of Canada and cabinet ministers. (or will refuse)


At the request of the Canadian Prime Minister, the Governor-General travels to foreign countries building bridges of friendship and understanding. At home, the Governor-General welcomes world leaders and receives the credentials of high commissioners and ambassadors who represent their countries in Canada. (you don't even have that Diplomatic status, the Crown does)

---- So discuss this one.

Seems to me there is no individual sovereignty at all, since you are Subjects of the Canadian Crown. And in fact the question of National Sovereignty is still not settled in International Law.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/sovereignty

The strictly legal meaning of the term sovereignty should be differentiated from more popular usages which are sometimes employed out of intellectual fuzziness and sometimes to extract the extra public-relations mileage deriving from a presumably ancient and hallowed concept like sovereignty. Recurring Canada-US differences over Canada's claims to sovereignty over the arctic waters and the Northwest Passage (see ARCTIC SOVEREIGNTY), and contentions that "economic sovereignty" or "cultural sovereignty" may be endangered in any Canada-US FREE TRADE negotiations, can be seen from this point of view to have a high rhetorical-political content.
 

ricky1lung

Well-Known Member
Alright your getting closer, but you are still selectively posting.

I posted a couple links that illustrate Canadian sovereignty and how the Queen is a figure head, while you are reading, you're
still selective and not relating all of the content in a way that is actual.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Believe me I speed read everything relevant on the Offical sites. I lifted a part of one page you provide and went through it.

Now, like Australia and un-like those rowdies in the Republic of Ireland, Greater Israel, the USA, Tiawan, and South Africa, you don't stand in the same stead as an individual citizen. You say, it doesn't matter. Fine. I agree. But, it does let rights errode and they have. It is multi-generational slip slope, and the dilettantes still think we are stupid nuts, and say so, (as you suggested, more or less) fuck-offs, to unfairly cling to gun rights....selfishly self centered in self rule. We better. For Canada's sake.

We have Rights that can't be chipped away. You don't have it. Very simple. Is it inferior or superior?

As long as you don't pick one, neither do I.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Come on, man. Come back to earth. I've seen much better from you. Bring some half breed beef, if you can.

You are attempting to bait me, and you aren't standing close enough to get hurt, you understand very well.

You are embarrassing yourself in the face of and in front of some true toll masters.

Saying I would hurt you...OK, perhaps. It's more meaningful than saying these photons hurt me....maybe my sides from laughing...:)
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
News Flash.

The Queen does not own Canada as personal property, but her Peerage allows the govt broader power...It's much more than honoring tradition. The government is in a dicey situation about National Sovereignty still. It's only been since 1984, really. And there is no individual sovereignty. Any and all rights can be lawed out, like freedom of speech if someone thinks it's hate.

You can say Yo' Momma!!!, but if someone says that is likely to cause a riot, you go to jail for hate speech that caused no riot at all.

They said it was to protect the Jews. But, when was the last time there was a jew riot?

So says the Vancouver Sun about Property Rights.. Rights erode in most systems outside the USA. And it's a real gun struggle here. But, no real Constitutions, like we have, for sovereign individuals (we still have to pay tax, not that sovereign, get over it)

Various rights erode variously across the world...like hate speech. That can't happen here.

It's not "fire" in a crowded theater, to hate Jews out loud or hate Canadians, for that matter. :)

I see only envy in the Hate America crowd, and World Zombie Youth Racists.
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While most of the industrialized world has guaranteed property rights within their constitutions, indicating the value they place on ensuring a free society, Canada hasn't.

And while common law tradition recognizes outright expropriation should never occur without compensation, Canadian governments have given themselves the power, through the passage of laws and regulations, to expropriate private property without consultation or compensation.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Private+property+rights+precarious+Canada/7924788/story.html#ixzz2RrZF91ag
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This is worse than Oz. The first gun grab failed on confiscation grounds.So, the govt just voted to take tax dollar and force buy all the weapons.

That is not necessary in Canada. The govt is in charge, not the People. No wonder it's hard for me to understand the role of the Crown.

And no wonder, most folks, even Americans don't understand us.

No wonder we are confused with Parliamentary Democracy. That's all there is, otherwise.

There was a 1776 Parliament in England and King George, peeing purple. We slipped away from both.


 
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