What am i doing wrong?

Hello all,

This is my first grow. Decided to pick up the hobby. I got a dozen seeds in a half oz of "blue widow". It had amazing euphoric feels and ive always wanted to try growing... So here i am 32 days into my first grow.

Its a cheap set up. I wanted to invest as little as possible until i knew it was something i wanted to commit to.

I germinated 5 seeds with the towel method in front of a low heat. All 5 popped within 24 hours of trying.
After hearing and reading so many different things i decided to plant them tap root down at differing depths. Within 72 hours they had all popped. Within the first week one died though, it was a little too deep and when i dusted enough dirt off of it it seemed disoriented in which direction was up. Over watering in sure was the final straw.

After that at about week two, my friend (who claims to have grown plenty in his time) gave me some miracle gro shake n feed. That stuff burned my little ones a bit but i took them off, replanted, flushed, and
Ordered dyna-gro pro foliage and dyna-gro bloom. That arrived a few days later and since theyve been getting feedings every other day in their waterings (1/4 teaspoon: 1gallon).

Of my 4 plants left:
1 is 9 1/2" i fucked up a fim and then fimmed it a week ago which is looking more promising

2 are 6" and topped last week.

And my last is 4" tall and has perpetual burn on the lower fan leaves...


Is there any reason why seeds from the same plant, gone through the same feeding and lighting would be so drastically different at 32 days?

Plants don't all react the same to over-watering, IMO. Any pics?

Fenderman84 said:

Is there any reason why seeds from the same plant, gone through the same feeding and lighting would be so drastically different at 32 days?

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I get strong and weak growers from seedbank seeds. I've read bagseed genetics can be unpredictable.

Don't be afraid to go into this hobby deep. It's really not hard to grow after you get a few basics figured out. You'll look back on it a year later and wonder why you thought it was so hard.

Thank youh for the kind words of motivation. I plan on expanding my grow and upgrading the quality as my gerneral proficiency comes along as well. As horrible as it is to admit, its comforting to come i to a newbie section and see others equally bewildered in their first grow.

The first two pics are of the 6" plants
3rd plant is just over 9"
4th plant is the 4"

My fox farm ocean forrest arrives today so i am thinking im going to replant them and just water without nutes till new years when i switch them into flowering.

Didnt realize i added that last pic in the other post... Thats my baby mama

This is more of a 3/4 top view if that helps. Plants in the same order
6"
6"
9"
4"

They look great. I would add at least 20% perlite to the soil for better aeration. I've never used FF soils, but it seems like a lot of new growers using it suffer from the soil being too wet for too long. I like it to dry in 2-3 days (when the plant is grown into the container). It just looks dense/heavy to me.

I hate being another number in a band wagon but with all the incredible reviewa fox farm gets, its hard not to try it out.

Right now i have my soil mixed roughly 30% perlite. I was thinking of going with the same mixture but with about an inch or two of perlite at the bottom to provide nutes incase roots make it down there, but to still help it drain easily

FFOF is not like people say it is. I believe that when people are heavily into things other than simplicity they misjudge what they dont really understand. Im using all FFOF at this time. What keeps my plants comfortable is my consistant water and feed schedule that I am adamantly loyal to. I feed every Friday no other option. I water every Tuesday no other option. I feed once a week and I water once a week. So twice a week the plants are watered. When I feed, I use less than what is recommended. Right when I transplant into a new strong strength soil as FFOF, all I do is run off with PHd water only until a 15% run off happens. Thats the initial day that I water once every week. All it takes is consistancy and patience and patience with consistancy. Happy Growing... This is the current grow.

A few years ago, I researched on the FF line of products. After a few weeks, I got some Happy Frog soil and the nute trio, also some Kangaroots for flush between veg and flower. I mix the FFHF 70% : 30% w/ perlite. I follow the FF feed chart with some variations to amounts...start at 1/4 strength and build from there. BUT, I never add anything until 2-3 weeks after transplant. Seedlings need no extra feeding and the soil will keep them nice and fed. I do my first and final transplant at 3-4 weeks and start feeding after an additional 2-3 weeks. IMHO FFOF is a bit too hot for my liking, others swear by it.

At any rate these plants have some nute issues and some grower error. I am thinking nute lock from over feeding/ watering, probably and very likely ph issues as well. If this were my grow I would flush these plants let them dry a a couple of days and transplant into the FFOF. I would not feed at all until 2-3 weeks I would start at a 1/4 strength and build at 1/4 strength for every other feeding. I use the water, water, feed schedule.

Most of all I would suggest reading and learning while continuing this effort. This is a great hobby and if you really want to cultivate, you will need to put some time and effort into learning.

Best of luck and always remember...nothing kills more plants then their parents not knowing how to care for them or worse yet " Loving them to death".

Good Luck and Great Growing!

The two 6" plants are showing some male pre-flowering. I have nowhere to cultivate it for any further purpose, so i unfortunately had to pull thd plug on them.

The 9" plant is looking very female

And the 4" is just small and bushy.

Ive cut out all nutes and switch to watering when the soil gets to be dry about a knuckle deep. If i go any longer than that, they droop like theyre dying. Ive been on an all water schedule since my first post of this thread and plan to keep it that way for another week (when i plan on switching them to flower)

I think its fair to say that im a noob to growing. Im pretty sure its clear to anyone that this is the first time ive grew anything in my life.

Anyway, please excuse my ignorance, but do these roots look ok? Despite my perlite efforts i just dont like the way this plant holds onto water.

Fenderman84 said:

Despite my perlite efforts i just dont like the way this plant holds onto water.

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The roots look fine to me. In what way do you not like how the plant holds water?

One of the common mistakes of new growers is being "helicopter moms" (hovering around the plant, obsessing about little things.). Is it possible you're doing that?

Yes and no... This being my first grow ive made a lot of mistakes. From keeping side cfl lights too close, to not checking ph. I check on my plants multiple times a day out of paranoia that something will go drastically wrong, but i dont water unless its dry the first knuckle deep (generally every other day).

The plant in question might go a week before its dry. The soil is just a constant cool, moist area. Which boggles my mind because its in the same conditions right next to my other plant. Hell, it even has its own light thats lowered so its better suited to this plant specifically.

Ill take some pictures tonight when i get off of work.

This is my other plant. They are 2 weeks into flowering (blue widow bag seed)

I'll tell you now one way I get away with constantly overwatering and not suffering effects unless I soak the pots sooner than every 3 days and spray more than 3 times a week is by going perlite happy. I mix from 1.7:1 up to 2:1 perlite to any bagged soil and use a 2" perlite buffer at the bottom of my smart pots.

I don't get why everyone stops at a small bag of perlites worth, it is a barren growing medium you can use by itself. The only complaint I've heard that had any ground, was that the disliked the loss of structure.

az2000 said:

They look great. I would add at least 20% perlite to the soil for better aeration. I've never used FF soils, but it seems like a lot of new growers using it suffer from the soil being too wet for too long. I like it to dry in 2-3 days (when the plant is grown into the container). It just looks dense/heavy to me.

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I have always used fox farms soil and I find it works great. I will never use ceramic or clay containers for my plants. Not enough air can pass through making the chance of root rot very high even with a lot of perilite. I use fabric phat sacks instead which allow maximum air flow


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Fenderman84 said:

Is there any reason why seeds from the same plant, gone through the same feeding and lighting would be so drastically different at 32 days?

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Did you pay attention in middle school science when DNA, dominant and recessive genes, and phenotype and genotype were covered? Do you remember the 4 squares thing that showed the likelihood of a single trait being passed from parent to child (Tt xTt = 25% chance TT, 25% chance tt, and 50% chance Tt)?

Hopefully I jogged a memory there... Cause I really don't feel like playing substitute teacher.

also people forget that unless your plant was isolated and deliberately pollinated then its also likely 2 seeds from some bud you brought can have 2 different daddies

@op do you have any siblings?

Wow... You guys are so amaze-balls!

Up until now, ive had zero need for such information. Remember that show "are you smarter than a fifth grader"? Yeah people forget stuff over time... Im pretty sure it's been a lot longer since I've been in middle school than you.

The majority of people here are rather nice and helpful, understanding that others are ignorant on the subject and want to learn. Yet here we have a few clowns more interested in being condescending to stroke their egos. Smh, i thought the point of a newbie section was to ask newbie questions and get help as a newbie.