What are these?

What's going on everyone I can't tell what these things are but with no flash from the phone they look black with speck on the back they all hang on top of the leaves and there is black spots under the leaves I'm thinking thrips

Looks like thrips to me, notice the damage aswell

Yellow stickies for adults ....

Azamax , neem , spinosad or other garden safe insecticide .... even s simple ISO / Water / Dish Soap mix will make an effective cheap insecticidal soap spray. ISO will punch thru waxy membrane of insect and kill it.

You can also add a top fill to your containers like perlite / horticultural sand / etc. to block egg laying.
Yellow sticky can definitely help in trapping adult fliers .

Right on thanks guys still not 100% what they are but I started treating with azamax yesterday and will continue with the spinosad in 2-3 days and then the iso soap mix few days after that to knock em all out for good

Jasonm7794 said:

Right on thanks guys still not 100% what they are but I started treating with azamax yesterday and will continue with the spinosad in 2-3 days and then the iso soap mix few days after that to knock em all out for good

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You were right in your identification. It’s a type of western flower thrips.

they come in many different colours and markings etc.

This is the first year i've had thrips. I will try some of these options.

Blue stickies and spinosad