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what breeder has the best white widow

Hobbes

Hobbes

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Fantastic Brick Top!

I've always just gotten pieces here and there, it's great to get the whole story. I didn't know that they were partners, and have never heard anything about Howard Marks.

Do you think that Arjan would have gotten a cutting of Shantibaba's parents for the White Widow before the split?

"What Green House Seeds sells as the cup winning White Widow is a knockoff"

So: the cup was won before the split; split; Arjan makes his own White Widow and advertises it as the cup winner. ??

Great thread.

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bongsmilie
 
raiderman

raiderman

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nevertherless dutch passion is a very prominant breeder ,and for wat they sell as a white widow is totally amazing plant and would be hard to beat,but that black widow also sounds like fire..ever growed it tho???. i only been growin 10 yrs , and have growed maybe 40 or more strains and alot gets pass me i dont know,but by experience i'd put my coin on DP.i'm doin DP bluemoonshine and its a beautiful top notch plant, all 6 , no runts.great story on the widow BT.great job.jus that mr.nice stuff i heard been on the shelf awhile...howard marks was doin a journal here and never spoke of breeding, but was doin it ina warehouse with partners las yr.he said.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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gabrownzfan said:
I have a question maybe some of you can answer:
I just got some WW from World of Seeds - Seed Center. i started 2, and they cracked after 2 days, then when i put them in rockwool, they sprouted OK, but then after 2 days - they just fell over & died! Any ideas why that happened?

i didn't put them under light right away till they were an inch or so - then 2 days later - BAM - dead???
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I never used rockwool so that question would best be answered by those who have but what little I have read about it, it says it should be well soaked in pH neutral water before use. I cannot swear that is correct since I have never used it or researched it much but if it is true and you did not do that it may have been a pH problem.
　
Something else I have read, and again I only read is and did not experience it, is you can easily give to little or two much moisture to plants in rockwool and either way they can die. I seems from what I have read that rockwool is not the most forgiving thing when it comes to moisture retaining capabilities.
　
I once watched a video made by Greenman and he had mother plants and used clones and aft first had them in a humidity dome and misted them. Later he inserted the small rockwool cubes into larger rockwool cubes and used a drip irrigation system that watered them three times daily so assure a proper amount of water. Of course he had to have his timer set so over-watering would not occur but that is what he did/does.
　
If anyone with actual experience using rockwool has an answer that is better/accurate please chime in and if I am way off please say so, so what little I have read that may be incorrect is not taken as being written in stone and results in more problems.

Additional: You said you did not put them under light until they were an inch or so tall.

Rockwool or not that is an error. Plants need light, even light that penetrates the soil while the plants push through the surface, so in the future give it to them … just do not do so in a way that is massive and will cause a heat problem.

As much as I despise CFL's and fluorescent lighting they can be very good options in cases like that as long as you have the correct mixture of light spectrums.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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Hobbes said:
Fantastic Brick Top!

I've always just gotten pieces here and there, it's great to get the whole story. I didn't know that they were partners, and have never heard anything about Howard Marks.

Do you think that Arjan would have gotten a cutting of Shantibaba's parents for the White Widow before the split?

"What Green House Seeds sells as the cup winning White Widow is a knockoff"

So: the cup was won before the split; split; Arjan makes his own White Widow and advertises it as the cup winner. ??

Great thread.

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bongsmilie
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Someone I have met online has had online exchanges with Shantibaba and if he was telling the truth, which I fully believe he was, he took all his genetics with him and Arjan did not have an opportunity to snip anything off or nab anything whole. I am sure Arjan would have loved to have done so but if what I have heard and have read is true it did not happen.
　
While I am sure the original claims of the THC level of the original White Widow were either embellished somewhat, or older testing equipment was simply not as accurate as today’s, at the time I read where supposed laboratory testing showed it ranged between 21% and 23% but not I believe the most recent claims I have read said something like 18% or 19%. Either way it has to be considered to be high.
　
Green House Seeds own description of its White Widow says it has a moderate THC level.
　
From Green House Seeds own description of their White Widow:
　
"This Widow has a moderate THC content and yield, but absolute connoisseur quality. It offers a strong Indica kick and an ever-present Sativa head-high, combined with a clean, smooth smoking flavour."
　
"THC Level : 12%"
　
Considering Arjan’s well known ego if he had the original genetics I tend to believe he would not underrate his White Widow and instead make it appear as if it is the best thing since the creation of pussy.

Yes the cup was won when the trio owned Green House Seeds and Shantibaba’s original genetics were responsible for the winning White Widow but now Arjan is attempting to sell his knockoff White Widow on the fame and glory of something that did win while under the name of the business he was at the time a part owner in and now as I understand it fully owns (though I cannot swear to that), so yes he can factually claim that the original White Widow was a Green House Seeds creation but he is misleading buyers by allowing them to believe what he now sells is the original genetics.
　
White Widow is one of the most misunderstood and confusing strains to ever come down the pike. I know of 25 different versions of White Widow, not counting the original that is now called Black Widow. The combination of sativa and indica in them all varies, as do some of the types of strains that were combined to make each different version.
　
Unfortunately most growers have no clue of that and even thought who do or half at least half a clue will seldom if ever say I am growing breeder ‘X’s" version of White Widow and they will give advice that very well may be 100% accurate about the version they are growing but at the same time be very inaccurate in regards to the version someone else is growing and asking about.
　
It is not only White Widow, though that is likely the most confusing of all strains, but any time a strain becomes famous many to most breeders want to jump on the bandwagon and will create their own versions and give them the same name.
　
Now and then some are damn good so it is not as if all knockoffs are bad. Some versions that followed the original later went on to win a cup or some competition themselves.

Buyers/growers have to educate themselves on which are the originals and where they can be found and which are high quality or medium quality or low quality knockoffs.

Unfortunately few do. Instead they only go by strain name and strain name alone and many actually believe they have the Real McCoy and talk/write as if they do.
 
panta

panta

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raiderman said:
nevertherless dutch passion is a very prominant breeder ,and for wat they sell as a white widow is totally amazing plant and would be hard to beat,but that black widow also sounds like fire..ever growed it tho???. i only been growin 10 yrs , and have growed maybe 40 or more strains and alot gets pass me i dont know,but by experience i'd put my coin on DP.i'm doin DP bluemoonshine and its a beautiful top notch plant, all 6 , no runts.great story on the widow BT.great job.jus that mr.nice stuff i heard been on the shelf awhile...howard marks was doin a journal here and never spoke of breeding, but was doin it ina warehouse with partners las yr.he said.
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currently im growing DP euphoria along with some other strains and im extremely satified,thanks for the replys everyone,i know this is of the topic but can any of u recommend a nice fruity smelling strain thats fast flowering
 
raiderman

raiderman

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panta said:
currently im growing DP euphoria along with some other strains and im extremely satified,thanks for the replys everyone,i know this is of the topic but can any of u recommend a nice fruity smelling strain thats fast flowering
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grape krush ,dj short.a little pricey but ns. a jus purchased a pac of grape krush and bluemoonshine thursday, germ them soonas they hit the mailbox,lol.the beeding program is open,lol.
 

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Hobbes

Hobbes

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"i know this is of the topic"

I hijacked the thread for Blue Moonsine and no one shot me, they'll probably let you away with it too.

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"a nice fruity smelling strain thats fast flowering"

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Jillybean - MZjill (Subcool)

"Smell/Taste : Mango Fruity-Cherry Fuel.Flavours range from orange, Tang,candy ,Mango,and apple. Taste so much like Dreamcicles you will not believe it! 7-8 weeks flower.



Agent Orange - Subcool

" ... a strain favoured and treasured by MzJill for its candy taste ... Orange tasting strain" 8-9 weeks flower.

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Querkel - Subcool

Consistent and pronounced grape taste in a purple strain that will tear your head off. 8-9 weeks flower.

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http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/tga-subcool-seeds/cat_125.html

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Often a Blueberry, Strawberry Cough, etc, will taste and smell nothing like either. If you want consistant and pronounced fruit taste Subcool and The Green Avengers are the way to go. Imho, but I'd love to hear about other good strains.

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bongsmilie
 
Hot Spliff

Hot Spliff

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seedsman white widow, excellent choice .. check my grow journal out atm, im in 7th week flowering, they look superb,

not that iv grown a few strains of widow but seedsman is thumbs up so far, they grow fast !!!
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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got any recent pics? my widow is in her 8th week now. intend o begin flushing today. chop her in a week and a half i think
 
M

MOONSTAR8595

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Cheech Wizard said:
For some reason DP Blue Moonshine Fem keeps giving me problems... last time I grew it I veged it for a few weeks in a 1 gallon grow bag and it stretched to almost 4 ft during flower and never packed on any triches... just a waste of space. I had tried it once before and that one never packed on triches either. Huge dense buds with no resin wtf? (all the other plants I grow certainly do) so I was bummed.. This is out of 2 seperate packs of BM fem . Now I have three going and they are by far smaller than all other strains sowed at same time.... Maybe Ill try the BM regular next time... I just dont get it.... I want to succeed with the BM sooo bad and I have such excellent results with everything else... why not this?
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This holds true for me also.....DP's fem. Blue Moonshine is a very decent (but definitely not overpowering) smoke that tastes good (but not great) and yields small, grassy, un-dense leafy buds (doesn't exactly have bag appeal) It is a good strain (enjoyable to smoke) but I am phasing it out of my garden due to its low yield and poor quality buds. In my last garden, Greenhouse's Super Lemon Haze (I know it's a completely different type of strain) was superior to the DP BM in EVERY way imaginable. Out of 5 or 6 strains I grew DP's BM was the least desirable - even worse than my free G13 Northern lights that was thrown in (which turned out EXCELLENT surprisingly).
 
raiderman

raiderman

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MOONSTAR8595 said:
This holds true for me also.....DP's fem. Blue Moonshine is a very decent (but definitely not overpowering) smoke that tastes good (but not great) and yields small, grassy, un-dense leafy buds (doesn't exactly have bag appeal) It is a good strain (enjoyable to smoke) but I am phasing it out of my garden due to its low yield and poor quality buds. In my last garden, Greenhouse's Super Lemon Haze (I know it's a completely different type of strain) was superior to the DP BM in EVERY way imaginable. Out of 5 or 6 strains I grew DP's BM was the least desirable - even worse than my free G13 Northern lights that was thrown in (which turned out EXCELLENT surprisingly).
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some of the best i ever smoked.did yures come out like this .
 

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Punk

Punk

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currently using dp orange bud, another unstable strain, as I've pulled off a few hermmie parts.
 
raiderman

raiderman

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Punk said:
currently using dp orange bud, another unstable strain, as I've pulled off a few hermmie parts.
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i did a orange bud fem. las yr and those bastards eat me alive,lol.i picked them real reg. and only got 40 to 50 seeds out of 10 4 ft plants.and i flowered at 4 inches,lol.run for yure life from dp fem seeds.
 
panta

panta

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i had some fem DP euphorias never had any problems and they went trough alot of stress
 
haze2

haze2

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I cant wait to grow some of Shantis Black Widow, been eyeballin that strain for quite sometime.
 
Earl

Earl

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raiderman said:
nevertherless dutch passion is a very prominant breeder ,and for wat they sell as a white widow is totally amazing plant and would be hard to beat,but that black widow also sounds like fire..ever growed it tho???. i only been growin 10 yrs , and have growed maybe 40 or more strains and alot gets pass me i dont know,but by experience i'd put my coin on DP.i'm doin DP bluemoonshine and its a beautiful top notch plant, all 6 , no runts.great story on the widow BT.great job.jus that mr.nice stuff i heard been on the shelf awhile...howard marks was doin a journal here and never spoke of breeding, but was doin it ina warehouse with partners las yr.he said.
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The guy doing a journal here is not Howard Marks
He even says this in his journal.
MrHowardMarks said:
It's all good, I'm open for replies here, but would rather use a discussion thread. I've recieved some feedback about the whole no post thing, and realize it won't work.

I appreciate your interest.

*I guess this would be a good time for a disclaimer*

**Howard Marks is an international hero, I don't claim to be him, nor do I know him personally. This is my character in this game. I say game, meaning this is a fictional story, in this story I play an indoor marijuana grower. My character builds points with experience, just like any RPG. I hate RPGs they are for people that suck at real life, and need an alter-ego in order to feel good about themselves. This game is way better than Warcraft, and involves illegal discussion. Once again this is all fiction.**

Just to cover my ass ;)
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Dr. VonDank

Dr. VonDank

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I can't wait to hear HOBBES report as he is usually spot on and very detailed. I am growing out Brothers Grimm White Widow that came from their mass selection of original Green House Seeds White Widow. So far healthy and vigorous growth in veg. The funny thing is that the seeds were almost 10 years old and I have had 95% germ rate. Along with the WW I'm growing the Brothers Grimm white russian/white russian back cross to AK-47/white shark/Rosetta stone/cafe girl/a-10,a-11,a-12,a-13/princess/MTF/Genius/ and cal-indi. I also found an old pack of Dr. Greenthumbs millenium.
 
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