What do think about this?

WHATFG

WHATFG

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The first affidavit is from a guy that has a debilitating nerve disease. He's allowed 98 plants over 13 strains and he has done some breeding for himself. He states that he is so sick sometimes that he can't tend to his plants and they die or he gets low yields because of his methods.

The government argues in the statement of defense the pupl holders can sell or provide their plants or seeds to an lp and making it possible for the lp to now provide you with your medicine

Hmph!
 
leaffan

leaffan

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I would contact all the LPs and ask them if they will grow my unique strains.
I bet the answer would be no. Give the results of the calls to Conroy.
It takes action to make things change.
 
j0yr1d3

j0yr1d3

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So HC expects people to just give away their strains/genetics to LPs? "Here soulless corporation, have my property, for free, that I spent years developing, that I can now no longer lay claim to, just to grow and sell back to me at a mark up!". Who the fuck thinks up this shit, seriously? And what are these LPs going to do? Dedicate a bunch of their grow rooms to patient forfeited strains? This is about production, not patient care. They are going to grow a few shitty strains they can get down to a science and pump out massive crops every few months instead of growing hundreds of strains they would actually have to put some time and effort into to cater to patients needs.
 
leaffan

leaffan

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I repeat, it takes action to make things change.
Contact the LPs. Get facts. Do something.
Or just sit on the sidelines and whine and complain about how unfair life is.
There are many things that can be done, but won't be. It's easy to talk, only a few walk.
Whatfg, this is not directed at you. I know you are in the midst of a battle with WCB. You actually do something.
 
jessica d

jessica d

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i think if we all do as we do we will be ok. i remember a guy with prop 215.they took 300 plants so he planted 600 immedietly. they came back so he planted 1200 and he accomplished his goal. if 35,000 ppl flood the courts hahaha the law has to deal with the synthetics first to deal with the real problems.
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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leaffan said:
I repeat, it takes action to make things change.
Contact the LPs. Get facts. Do something.
Or just sit on the sidelines and whine and complain about how unfair life is.
There are many things that can be done, but won't be. It's easy to talk, only a few walk.
Whatfg, this is not directed at you. I know you are in the midst of a battle with WCB. You actually do something.
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I like reading these affadavits. If I find something interesting I'll post something. If I had strains that I developed, I wouldn't want to let anyone have them. I don't have any unique strains,but I have yet to see the strains I use.
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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It actually says that you can sell it to an LP. Last time I checked, it was illegal to sell marihuana. So,I'm very confused about that situation.
 
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ispice

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WHATFG said:
It actually says that you can sell it to an LP. Last time I checked, it was illegal to sell marihuana. So,I'm very confused about that situation.
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You need to make a special request and be granted special permission from the Health Minister to sell or provide any cannabis product to an LP from a DG or PU, though come march 31 this will not be so.
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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They ( the gov) make it sound like you can just give your favourite LP a call and ask them if they wouldn't mind growing your genetics for you. Their trying to cover their asses but their ending up looking like one.
 
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german1

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The statement of claim and defense affidavits have a lot of information that was not known to the general public and was not posted in any of their work groups when developing the new system. It's pretty deplorable that suddenly the govt has all these ways for access to meds when these complaints have been going on for years. Some of the affidavits from health Canada are quite amusing. Stating it takes too much man power to manage the current system. I don't see how the end user is to blame? This is a very big cover up to support legalization in the coming years. Every one of the LPs that have been approved "quickly" are in bed with one political party or another. Unfortunately like what is happening in the states will soon happen here. Lobbyist for tobacco and alcohol will pressure the govt to kill legalization as they will lose revenue. If you do research you will find "recreational " use is feeling a backlash not from the general public but big business down in the US.
 
cannadan

cannadan

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do the lp's actually get a choice on whether they buy your strains or not....?
My understanding was ,if you choose to go with one or another lp's...
they HAVE to buy your strains if that's what you need to be supplied with...
Otherwise,what use would LP's be to the very sick.....since these people have had time to work on the genetic's they use for
production of their own meds....and they are not likely to settle for anything less nor should they have to.
 
cannadan

cannadan

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german1 said:
The statement of claim and defense affidavits have a lot of information that was not known to the general public and was not posted in any of their work groups when developing the new system. It's pretty deplorable that suddenly the govt has all these ways for access to meds when these complaints have been going on for years. Some of the affidavits from health Canada are quite amusing. Stating it takes too much man power to manage the current system. I don't see how the end user is to blame? This is a very big cover up to support legalization in the coming years. Every one of the LPs that have been approved "quickly" are in bed with one political party or another. Unfortunately like what is happening in the states will soon happen here. Lobbyist for tobacco and alcohol will pressure the govt to kill legalization as they will lose revenue. If you do research you will find "recreational " use is feeling a backlash not from the general public but big business down in the US.
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This is why it was a such a shock NORML was lobbying along with Big Business to prevent legalization....south of the border....Hypocrites
 
leaffan

leaffan

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cannadan said:
do the lp's actually get a choice on whether they buy your strains or not....?
My understanding was ,if you choose to go with one or another lp's...
they HAVE to buy your strains if that's what you need to be supplied with...
Otherwise,what use would LP's be to the very sick.....since these people have had time to work on the genetic's they use for
production of their own meds....and they are not likely to settle for anything less nor should they have to.
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Why are you under this impression?
Have you read something I've missed?
 
cannadan

cannadan

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I did read that these provisions were made and included in the mmpr....
all you would really have to do is push your point with the LP of your choice and If they
won't take you on under your terms in regards to Medicine...then I would think you would have a clear cut case for proving
you didn't have reasonable access....since your strains should not have to be destroyed,
It was HC's way of covering their bases, when people complained about the specific strain issue....
fortunately ,they can't have it both ways....
 
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Rustydog

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I don't think LPs have to buy your strain.
They will only grow strains they think they can sell. If you are the only one wanting to buy your strain, there is no way that they will grow and spend the money on testing just for you.
That's why we should have the choice to grow our own.
 
cannadan

cannadan

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Maybe we need a list of the Lp's that refuse to purchase people genetic's....
It will be invaluable when it come to proving reasonable access to strain specific medicine...

or better ask for a letter of refusal,should they not want to purchase your strains....
at some point enough letters of refusal should also be good at proving,that, for you personally there was no reasonable access...
 
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Rustydog

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What would be a fair price ?
Consider all the time and money spent to develop our own genetics and the fact that they will then sell it back to you and make money off of you and anyone else who buys it?
 
leaffan

leaffan

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cannadan said:
Maybe we need a list of the Lp's that refuse to purchase people genetic's....
It will be invaluable when it come to proving reasonable access to strain specific medicine...

or better ask for a letter of refusal,should they not want to purchase your strains....
at some point enough letters of refusal should also be good at proving,that, for you personally there was no reasonable access...
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Now you're on the right track....but will anyone actually do this?
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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Rustydog said:
I don't think LPs have to buy your strain.
They will only grow strains they think they can sell. If you are the only one wanting to buy your strain, there is no way that they will grow and spend the money on testing just for you.
That's why we should have the choice to grow our own.
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And that is the point in a nutshell. Reasonable access...is it reasonable for you to expect that an LP would grow your strain of medicine for you? Why should patients have to start from A again trying different combinations of strains to ease their suffering? Maybe I'll start sending out requests to the LP's and see if they are interesting in growing my Yukon Gold! Think of some questions and I will,seriously consider spending the time to craft the emails and send them off.
 
leaffan

leaffan

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Rustydog said:
I don't think LPs have to buy your strain.
They will only grow strains they think they can sell. If you are the only one wanting to buy your strain, there is no way that they will grow and spend the money on testing just for you.
That's why we should have the choice to grow our own.
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Correct...A batch test will cost lets say $1,000, a 1k test for one patient?...Lets say you are an LP and have a dozen friends who are patients. Ask all the patients to sign up with LP ABC, tell them we all have unique strains we want grown for us. LP ABC can't afford the floor space or costs to accomplish this request.
No way is the tail going to wag the dog!
 
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