What do you medicate for?

Bordom and creative fulfillment. Not a medical condition? It should be.

cotchept said:

Bordom and creative fulfillment. Not a medical condition? It should be.

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the boredom thing i agree with at a deep level

boredom can be more damaging than a lot of other psychological trauma to some individuals

cotchept said:

Bordom and creative fulfillment. Not a medical condition? It should be.

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No, it shouldn't be. True medical useage of cannabis should not be intertwined with recreational useage.


While I agree recreational cannabis use should be legal, its people who can't differentiate the difference between the two that keep the medical cannabis movement at a standstill. Unfortunately when most non-users look out the window to see whats new in medical cannabis, they see 19 year old skaters wearing tye-dye and baseball caps, complaining that their "back hurts today".


These are the people who need to clean up their act if they want to be taken seriously. Your back hurts, but you can still pull off a front kick flip to nose grind? Amazing.


If you want medical cannabis to be taken seriously by society, then act like it. And no, Cotchept, your not a medical cannabis patient. You are a recreational user.


Be proud of that, but don't sully the names of actual medical users by saying that "bordom and creative fulfillment" should be considered the same as AIDS, Crohns, Cancer, MS, MD.

Its not, and it makes you look very stupid to think that.

Alphakronik said:

No, it shouldn't be. True medical useage of cannabis should not be intertwined with recreational useage.


While I agree recreational cannabis use should be legal, its people who can't differentiate the difference between the two that keep the medical cannabis movement at a standstill. Unfortunately when most non-users look out the window to see whats new in medical cannabis, they see 19 year old skaters wearing tye-dye and baseball caps, complaining that their "back hurts today".


These are the people who need to clean up their act if they want to be taken seriously. Your back hurts, but you can still pull off a front kick flip to nose grind? Amazing.


If you want medical cannabis to be taken seriously by society, then act like it. And no, Cotchept, your not a medical cannabis patient. You are a recreational user.


Be proud of that, but don't sully the names of actual medical users by saying that "bordom and creative fulfillment" should be considered the same as AIDS, Crohns, Cancer, MS, MD.

Its not, and it makes you look very stupid to think that.

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i don't think the halted movement has anything to do with young adults using it recreationally and claiming it's 'medical'.

it has everything to do with too much money being made on synthetic replacements for what cannabis does, and the fact that it makes people not want to go to war.

there is more connotation to the word 'medicate' being applied here than you are giving it credit for

i think the problem is actually in reverse to the way you state it: it's people who go on about how it should only be used 'medically' that keep it ambiguous.

cannabis may cure cancer but it's not a hard drug

you might as well say vitamin C should be for medicinal use only, to be reserved for when symptoms present themselves.

or you can just cover your bases and include vitamin C(annabis) in your everyday diet

Alphakronik said:

No, it shouldn't be. True medical useage of cannabis should not be intertwined with recreational useage.


While I agree recreational cannabis use should be legal, its people who can't differentiate the difference between the two that keep the medical cannabis movement at a standstill. Unfortunately when most non-users look out the window to see whats new in medical cannabis, they see 19 year old skaters wearing tye-dye and baseball caps, complaining that their "back hurts today".


These are the people who need to clean up their act if they want to be taken seriously. Your back hurts, but you can still pull off a front kick flip to nose grind? Amazing.


If you want medical cannabis to be taken seriously by society, then act like it. And no, Cotchept, your not a medical cannabis patient. You are a recreational user.


Be proud of that, but don't sully the names of actual medical users by saying that "bordom and creative fulfillment" should be considered the same as AIDS, Crohns, Cancer, MS, MD.

Its not, and it makes you look very stupid to think that.

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Yes it should be, why should a cancer patient have any more rights to a plant then a casual user? Sully the names of medical users , seems like a human complex thing to me.

regards,

monkeybones said:

i don't think the halted movement has anything to do with young adults using it recreationally and claiming it's 'medical'.

it has everything to do with too much money being made on synthetic replacements for what cannabis does, and the fact that it makes people not want to go to war.

there is more connotation to the word 'medicate' being applied here than you are giving it credit for

i think the problem is actually in reverse to the way you state it: it's people who go on about how it should only be used 'medically' that keep it ambiguous.

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I think that you completely missed my point. I have no problem with young adults who use it responsibly doing so. Just don't call that medical cannabis. It's not. They aren't suffering from a life threatening or debilitating disease and do not need a medical recommendation. It ruins the legitimacy that the medical community has worked hard for 15 years at building.

Please point me to where I said non-medical users should not have access to legalized cannabis.

And yes, there is plenty of analog data that does show that support weaned for medical cannabis in many places once the scripts started flying to those without a legitimate useage. Even California, Colorado, and Oregon have had to take a step back and implement new regulations on dispensaries and cannabis businesses due to unscrupulous business owners and their business ethics.

So, I'll state it again. While cannabis does need to be legalized for recreational use for people, using the medical tag when trying to get high does nothing but hurt the medical cannabis movement.

ru4r34l said:

Yes it should be, why should a cancer patient have any more rights to a plant then a casual user? Sully the names of medical users , seems like a human complex thing to me.

regards,

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Rights? Maybe because a casual users life was never at risk? Your statement is so far out of the realm of reality that I don't think I can classify it as coherent.

Once again, a casual user should have the right to cannabis. You are right there. Where you are wrong, and very wrong at that is where you think that the casual user has a right to "medical cannabis".

Alphakronik said:

Please point me to where I said non-medical users should not have access to legalized cannabis.

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i didn't, and you missed the point again. the point is that it is not casual users ruining the legitimacy of medical cannabis, it is the war on cannabis ruining its legitimacy

i am saying that you're stirring up shit for no reason

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Where you are wrong, and very wrong at that is where you think that the casual user has a right to "medical cannabis".

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there's no difference between cannabis and 'medical cannabis'. i don't know what hat you're pulling that out of

is it just the potent stuff? oh shit, i broke your rule growing potent pot

again, you've got beef with a vegetarian. so to speak

monkeybones said:

there's no difference between cannabis and 'medical cannabis'. i don't know what hat you're pulling that out of

is it just the potent stuff? oh shit, i broke your rule growing potent pot

again, you've got beef with a vegetarian. so to speak

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Nope, it's Cannabis bred and grown for use of specific ailments.

Alphakronik said:

Rights? Maybe because a casual users life was never at risk? Your statement is so far out of the realm of reality that I don't think I can classify it as coherent.

Once again, a casual user should have the right to cannabis. You are right there. Where you are wrong, and very wrong at that is where you think that the casual user has a right to "medical cannabis".

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So please explain the difference between the two for me? because I provide high quality CANNABIS to my patients, not "medical cannabis".

That term "medical cannabis" is so irrelevant to me, I have worked with and used cannabis for over 25+ years! It's just 1 out of many herbs I and my patients use. It's the mindset you have to seperate it as such is what causes this medical/casual complex some people have.

I have lived with terminally ill patients who used cannabis as well as other herbs and medications and I still fail to see where these users have ANY MORE RIGHT to cannabis then the casual user

Please stop the play on words with "medical cannabis", cannabis has been grown and used long before the medical movement of this day; trying to swerve our ellected officals with coloquial terms is part of the reason there is a stigma attached to it's use.

I guess the new term for dispensaries will be "Medical Grade Cannabis", while the home provider grows "POT"

Alphakronik said:

Nope, it's Cannabis bred and grown for use of specific ailments.

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I have some patients that like some of my wierd non stable crosses that I try now and then (Blue Venom x Arjan Haze #1), have one lady who says it relieves the tension behind her eyes.

From my experience specific ailments require can require different strains from person to person, what strain one may use for epilepsy may not work for another.

regards,

I'm just enjoying it.

ru4r34l said:

So please explain the difference between the two for me? because I provide high quality CANNABIS to my patients, not "medical cannabis".

That term "medical cannabis" is so irrelevant to me, I have worked with and used cannabis for over 25+ years! It's just 1 out of many herbs I and my patients use. It's the mindset you have to seperate it as such is what causes this medical/casual complex some people have.

I have lived with terminally ill patients who used cannabis as well as other herbs and medications and I still fail to see where these users have ANY MORE RIGHT to cannabis then the casual user

Please stop the play on words with "medical cannabis", cannabis has been grown and used long before the medical movement of this day; trying to swerve our ellected officals with coloquial terms is part of the reason there is a stigma attached to it's use.,

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yes, precisely

monkeybones said:

haha, alright right... the whole world is cannabis deficient... opiates are evil motherfuckers

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If you are like me, and cancer takes a big bite out of your ass, opiates are just worthless do nothing.

Are they evil This is the same thing they say about MJ. No matter what the med, or issue, the drug that cures me could kill you.

Don't know about deficient but it would sure be nice to find some neutral space between those enjoy it and those who do not. Its like any thing else in life there is always some dick head who wants to direct your life because they believe they have the only way to live.

I use it to ease cancer pain.
I also used it to help get me off oxy that I had been on for 7 years. I was taking 160mg a day or more from the docs. Plus I would get lidocaine drips done and other crap. It helps, but it's not a cure all. I still am never hungry, still have no energy and etc .... As I toy around with it more I find different stains help with different things. I am rather new to it all, and only started using a year ago. I don't have any one around I know, or friends to learn from. I'm sorta all on my own trying to figure out what, what is.

george xxx said:

If you are like me, and cancer takes a big bite out of your ass, opiates are just worthless do nothing.

Are they evil This is the same thing they say about MJ. No matter what the med, or issue, the drug that cures me could kill you.

Don't know about deficient but it would sure be nice to find some neutral space between those enjoy it and those who do not. Its like any thing else in life there is always some dick head who wants to direct your life because they believe they have the only way to live.

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i don't think i would ever compare opiates to cannabis. just not the same class of substance.

opiates took what was my father, chewed him up, and spit out a reprehensible jackass that nobody can bear to be around

HTP said:

I use it to ease cancer pain.
I also used it to help get me off oxy that I had been on for 7 years. I was taking 160mg a day or more from the docs. Plus I would get lidocaine drips done and other crap. It helps, but it's not a cure all. I still am never hungry, still have no energy and etc .... As I toy around with it more I find different stains help with different things. I am rather new to it all, and only started using a year ago. I don't have any one around I know, or friends to learn from. I'm sorta all on my own trying to figure out what, what is.

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i recommend a good mellow indica strain. hybrids like northern lights i have found to be particularily effective for pain relief and mood lifting, and especially hunger

may i recommend a dietary supplement? a product like Vega, with not just all of your nutrients but also digestive enzymes and pro-biotic cultures, taken regularly is a good way to boost your body back into wanting to be awesome again

Insomnia/hyper-activity but that falls under neurological i'm guessing. anyways, i don't have ADD or nothing but in class or when i have to sit for a long time i get a bit jittery. shaky leg, touching shit, stuff like that. takes me a few hours without herb to fall asleep though which is a bitch when i can't smoke at night.

PARS fracture in my lower back and am actually having fusion surgery friday morning. My wife also prefers me high than not as Im more more relaxed and not so irritable.

Wiselnfidel - I quit smoking 5-6 weeks ago when we moved knowing Im going to have to take a drug test at some point. By far the worst side effects are the horrible sleep I get. I wake up 3-5 times every night when usually I could sleep damn near 10hrs without waking up once. Typically fall asleep within 3-5minutes when I smoke now its a good 45min-hr. Find out monday if I got this job and hopefully Im smoking be end of next week cause god damn I need it!!!!!