What exactly is growing Organically?

Sorry if these questions are stupid but I really don't have a clear understanding of what makes a grow "organic".



I have been growing in rockwool/fytocell or in FoxFarm soil. Is either or both organic ?


What about nutrients?..... Currently use Canna but also have had great success with the FoxFarm trio plus the solubles. Are they all viewed as being "organic"?


Also I sometimes get little flying gnats that I use Pyrethrum to treat. Can I continue to use this or must I switch to another treatment? And, if so, what is a good "organic" alternative?


Lastly, could I use a light addition of H202 (hydrogen peroxide) to my nutrient solution? Is that permissible ?


Thanks to all for taking the time to review my questions and double thanks to all who take the time to reply!

organic is natural and using natural products is better than using chemicals chemicals is the opposite of organic

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Does anyone know the answer to the above questions ?

Actually Id like to know too, I was told by a hydro store that even organic nutes arnt 100% organic. We need a veteran to answer this question.

well organic in chemistry just means it contains carbon and hydrogen, to be omri listed I think it has to actually come from a living thing, you know guanos and shit like that. canna is not organic, the FF solubles arent organic, and no you should not use h2o2 with orgainic because youd kill all the beneficial bacteria

only buy the shit that says organic on it. Lol, sounds easy and it is. I notice in indoor gardening their is 2 def schools, the organic and the chemical. They both got their customers so both brag both sides so it is the truth and not false advertising. I bet your hydro store guy should prob be ignored lol. I am a salesman and sounds like the crap I might tell you. I am getting more responsible though. The more I smoke i think the more i grow lol.

check bg hydro, they actually have a organic nute section in their products and tell what exactly makes them organic. Man, did you know their is differenet kinds of bat poop. A hi N one and a hi P one!i

dirt clean said:

only buy the shit that says organic on it. Lol, sounds easy and it is. I notice in indoor gardening their is 2 def schools, the organic and the chemical. They both got their customers so both brag both sides so it is the truth and not false advertising. I bet your hydro store guy should prob be ignored lol. I am a salesman and sounds like the crap I might tell you. I am getting more responsible though. The more I smoke i think the more i grow lol.

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the guy at his hydro store was probably referring to bottanicare and other similar products which say organic on the label, but also contain chemical ferts, so they are not truly organic.

I foubnd this. WOW, I changed my font. lol. Anyway, I am rebuying my nutes to be OMRI certified. Bio Bizz is. This means that is is certified organic and blah blah blah. All a company has to do is send their stuff in.

So Bio Bizz for me. THey got a special on ebay for half off form this seller right now.

if you grow in inert mediums like perlite and coir, and feed it organics, is it still considered organic?

mr.parker said:

organic is natural and using natural products is better than using chemicals chemicals is the opposite of organic

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Opposite of organic huh? I guess there's no such thing as organic chemistry.

I think you meant to say synthetic is the antithesis of organic.

I'm certain that I'll get plenty of responses from nay Sayers regarding this subject, but hey that's why this is called a forum. Tons of opinions.
IMHO, the main advantage to organics is less likelihood of nutrient burn or salt toxicity buildup in the soil. Defining what is truly "organic", could cover several threads. Most inexperienced growers (not just in cannabis grows) start with a perfectly healthy plant. In an effort to radically change the growth rate, they typically over-fertilize the plant by failing to read or, understand the instructions. Many follow the motto of "if a little is good, a whole lot must be better." In my industry, there have been dozens of pesticides that have been removed from the EPA's approved materials list. Many of these products had an excellent, safe, track record when used by professionals and posed little, or no threat to the environment. When they were released to the general public (in a much diluted formulation) they suddenly began to show up in groundwater studies all over the country. Professionals had no motivation for improper use, as it would simply drive down their collective profit margins.
I often see members getting trapped into thinking that they must use 100% organic fertilizers. Nitrogen, for one is a huge no-no if it is synthetic..right? Anyone care to take a stab at how it is made synthetically? Since it is one of earth's most abundant resources (78% of the atmosphere) to put it simply it is extracted from the air we breathe. While it requires the burning of fossil fuels to manufacture, it is still a very much "organic" compound. Phosphorous and Potassium, the other macronutrients in fertilizer are mined. While I am convinced of the benefits of beneficial bacteria/organisms in any good organic soil, I would challenge any member of this forum to show me a plant, that understands the difference between organic and synthetic fertilizer sources. Given in excessive amounts any plant can be killed with kindness, no matter the source of nutrients.

Good point, but you are missing the point of using, what consumerism has lovingly termed "organic". To be "organic" in the sense of the word, is to not use any synthetic nutrients on your plants. Everything from the soil to the nutrients to the pesticides cannot be synthetic. Fox Farm isn't all organic. Their soils are (Ocean Forest & Light Warrior) and they also have Big Bloom which is all organic, but besides that none of their liquid ferts or tri pack is organic.

Organics are healthier than any chemmy plants, your buds will smell & taste better, and burn smoother. Organically grown plants also bounce back from stress better than chem fed plants.

Carl, the plants CAN sense a difference between chem fed plants, and organic fed plants. The proof is in organic plants health, compared to chem plants health. This is also true with humans. Why were diseases like cancer not around 200 years ago before industrialism? Think their could be a link between industrialism and the rise of cancers? Do YOU even know what is in the food you eat? It's the same with the plants. Yeah, humans CAN live on McDonalds & Mountain Dew their whole life, but just how healthy do they look/feel/act. Compare a typical American diet (fast food & soda) to a typical vegan diet. You will find 100% of the time that the Vegan diet (even vegetarian) is much healthier for you, and if you eat organic food, even better for you. Humans (and plants) did not evolve and were not meant to be fed chemicals on a daily basis. It just isn't sustaining.

Now I'll step off my soapbox

The point I was trying to make is that when plants break down the various chemical compounds into usable N,P or K it is all the same to them. The analysis/ratios may be wildly different, say a 26-11-4 vs. a 3-30-12 and so on, but to the plant the processes of photosynthesis are identical. The release of these macro-nutrients is usually quite different. Although synthetics also rely on bacteria to break them down into usable forms, synthetics tend to be much faster, and thereby available to the plant readily. Organics are much more dependant on the metabolism of the soil organisms, making the release correspondingly slower and that is not always to a growers advantage.
While I try to live a healthy lifestyle by consuming foods that have been documented to slow or curtail the aging process, it doesn't stop me from eating something that has been treated in some manner to preserve it. A great deal of misinformation exists regarding genetically-modified "frankenfoods". Faced with hard science, these claims rarely hold water. Simply irradiating the food prior to consumption could have eliminated many of the current contaminated food scares. What's that? He wants to poison us all with "nukes" man! Not in the least. Specific types of radiation can kill bacteria and microorganisms that can, without question make you very ill or worse. Since the bacteria that degrades food-quality and speeds up the decomposition- process is killed, foods can last many, many times longer (gigantic cost savings.) I, for one would love to buy a pint of strawberries, throw them in the fridge and have them last for a month or more. All this without absorbing one single atom of harmful radiation.
As far as the cancer argument goes. The difference between then and now was diagnosis. Prior to the mid-nineteenth century, chances weren't very good that you would A: Get proper treatment for a illness or injury (he needs more leaches nurse...stat!) or B: Even a rudimentary autopsy would reveal what-the-hell-killed-a-person. Cancer is nothing new...finding out you might have it is. Now I'm off my box as well. Sorry if I got too "wordy".

Yes,the trouble with that stuff is your feeing the plant directly.We organic dirt mob,feed the soil,which in turn feeds the plants.

i just want to brag organic in case I finally hook up with a chick from the green planet!

Rix said:

Yes,the trouble with that stuff is your feeing the plant directly.We organic dirt mob,feed the soil,which in turn feeds the plants.

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Why do you say that's trouble? Organics isn't only for soil grows BTW, there are organic hydro nutes too.

I think what Carl is saying is that the plant can't tell the difference between nitrogen obtained by the bacterial breakdown of bat guano and the N from any other source including urea or ammonia (inorganic but still natural), or purely synthesized.

The only possible advantage that I can see from organic gardening is taste. Organic nutes will not affect yield or potency. Many people use a hybrid system with standard (and cheap) chemical nutes but add flavor enhancers like carbohydrates (organic), or the mixtures like Liquid Karma. With a proper flush, I challenge anyone to taste a difference between 100% organic only and a hybrid system in a blind test.

Bio Bizz is not that much and they are as organic as they come. OMRI certified.

dirt clean said:

I foubnd this. WOW, I changed my font. lol. Anyway, I am rebuying my nutes to be OMRI certified. Bio Bizz is. This means that is is certified organic and blah blah blah. All a company has to do is send their stuff in.

So Bio Bizz for me. THey got a special on ebay for half off form this seller right now.

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Be careful buying things that are "only OMRI certified". BMO is completely organic, and they aren't OMRI certified (or any institutionaly certified). It costs a lot of money to get your stuff certified organic, so not all companys do it. Most smaller companies don't have this option.

H2O2 can only be used in ur nutrient solution such as fill your reservior (or whatever you use) and pour your h2o2 in the water before adding nutrients. you should definetly let the h2o2 sit in the water for at least 2 hours before adding nutrients. if used improperly such as adding the h2o2 to already mixed nutrients the h2o2 will kill all that shit lol