What good has the U.S. done in the last 10 years?

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girlyhits

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Ok folks I need some help here. I am smoking a bit here - catching up on the political posts and it hit me 'God, what was the last positive change or event the US was involued in implimenting?' I can't think of anything - is it because I'm stoned? God I hope so.

I'm thinking more global change that is positive. Please don't try to tell me the war on terriorism is positive - I don't have the energy today to debate that.

Al Gore's 'Inconvient Truth' might count towards something. Whatever your views of him you got to admit global warming really got media coverage in America after his movie. And since we are one of the biggest contributors - educating us helps the whole world. Although he's a private person. But shit that says it right there, he got more done with one private movie than his whole political career.

So what have we done to help the world lately? Inform me if I'm not seeing something please. But also if none of us can think of anything, then all of us really need to rethink who we are as an American.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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I'm sure there are some humanitarian efforts waged or being waged like the AIDS work in Afrika and many other charitable works, But the USA as a country, I don't see much positive going on. I do see much negative energy being foisted about by the US. And without a major change in this countries politics (Ron Paul, Kucinich or Gravel), I doubt anything positive will happen.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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We have a 28 billion dollar trade deficit. Looks to me like we are giving people jobs. I guess thats one way of looking at it. I understand that everyone looks to the US for support. Bearing that in mind, I don't see too many other countries going out of their way to help much of anything except themselves.
 
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girlyhits

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But what quality of jobs are we producing? The average american in 2007 can't compete with the standard of living of the average family in the '50s. And that is with 2 income families vs. the 1 income families of that era.

My son asked last year what income class our family was in. I really had no clue so I looked up what the IRS reports say. I was really shocked to find out we made more than 65% of americians. How can that be? Do we own our own home - NO. Do we drive new cars- NO. Do we have money set aside for our kids education - NO. Do we work our asses off to make the bills and provide for a few comforts - yes.

My piont is if you can be in the upper 50 percentile for income in this country and still not be economically stable there is a problem. Guess I just don't see much improvement on the quality of life in our own country lately either.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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girlyhits said:
But what quality of jobs are we producing? The average american in 2007 can't compete with the standard of living of the average family in the '50s. And that is with 2 income families vs. the 1 income families of that era.

My son asked last year what income class our family was in. I really had no clue so I looked up what the IRS reports say. I was really shocked to find out we made more than 65% of americians. How can that be? Do we own our own home - NO. Do we drive new cars- NO. Do we have money set aside for our kids education - NO. Do we work our asses off to make the bills and provide for a few comforts - yes.

My piont is if you can be in the upper 50 percentile for income in this country and still not be economically stable there is a problem. Guess I just don't see much improvement on the quality of life in our own country lately either.
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No the point I was making was we are providing jobs for people in other countries while simultaneously screwing ourselves.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Chrisuperfly said:
No the point I was making was we are providing jobs for people in other countries while simultaneously screwing ourselves.
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Mr. Fly, please take me out of the we. I am dead against giving jobs to other countries to save corporations money, and that is exactly what is going on.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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medicineman said:
Mr. Fly, please take me out of the we. I am dead against giving jobs to other countries to save corporations money, and that is exactly what is going on.
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My apologies, let me rephrase, Corporate America is providing jobs for people in other countries while simultaneously screwing the American Citizen. :blsmoke:
 
SoloGro57

SoloGro57

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medicineman said:
Mr. Fly, please take me out of the we. I am dead against giving jobs to other countries to save corporations money, and that is exactly what is going on.
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Okay, I understand that the government needs to provide for the common good. In the modern age this has been interpreted as taking money from those who have, and giving it to those who haven't. Some people call this socialism. Whatever. It's what we're doing.

Do you really feel that companies, whether privately or publicly held ,should be forced to add to the handout by being forced to operate in an enviornnment where they cannot maximize their profit? How long do you feel that these companies would be able to survive? This is called killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
 
joepro

joepro

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Were all on the same page here, I totaly agree with everyone.
No trolls on this thread!
As I think back I find myself having thoughts of the worse nature instead of the question at hand.
Any good that "I'm sure we have done" is totaly overshadowed.
I only hope that the world knows that the american goverment and it's
people are different, and we are being held almost against are will.
Nothing that has been done is the will of the people.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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The answer is freedom.

Don't want American corporations to out source or move off shore? We have the highest corporate tax rate on the planet. We have NO incentive for the corporation to stay on our soil. We punish achievment in this country. Cut the corporate tax rate to the bone ... and the jobs will come back because the corporations will come back.

Vi

PS: Will someone send this message to the California legislature please. Businesses have been leaving California for the past two decades for the very same reasons as presented above.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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girlyhits said:
Ok folks I need some help here. I am smoking a bit here - catching up on the political posts and it hit me 'God, what was the last positive change or event the US was involued in implimenting?' I can't think of anything - is it because I'm stoned? God I hope so.

I'm thinking more global change that is positive. Please don't try to tell me the war on terriorism is positive - I don't have the energy today to debate that.

Al Gore's 'Inconvient Truth' might count towards something. Whatever your views of him you got to admit global warming really got media coverage in America after his movie. And since we are one of the biggest contributors - educating us helps the whole world. Although he's a private person. But shit that says it right there, he got more done with one private movie than his whole political career.

So what have we done to help the world lately? Inform me if I'm not seeing something please. But also if none of us can think of anything, then all of us really need to rethink who we are as an American.
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The U.S. military provides protection to Europe, Japan, South Korea and Canada to name a few. For my money, we should pull out of the great majority of overseas military bases. Let them fend for themselves.

As far as Owl Gore is concerned, he's an opportunist peddling snake oil.
 
iblazethatkush

iblazethatkush

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OMG this is a Politics Forum record. I agree with every single thing that has been said in this thread. Amazing. You guys are all absolutely right:blsmoke:

Could this possibly be the first political thread ever created that doesn't turn into an argument?
 
medicineman

medicineman

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SoloGro57 said:
Okay, I understand that the government needs to provide for the common good. In the modern age this has been interpreted as taking money from those who have, and giving it to those who haven't. Some people call this socialism. Whatever. It's what we're doing.

Do you really feel that companies, whether privately or publicly held ,should be forced to add to the handout by being forced to operate in an enviornnment where they cannot maximize their profit? How long do you feel that these companies would be able to survive? This is called killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
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Here's the problem. If we let the corporations shop for labor overseas, the middle class that took 100 years to build is dead. The median wage will be 5.00 an hr., way too little to live on. The piece by piece dismantling of the middle class is an elites dream. Cheap labor, and low taxes, what more could the elites want. Goodbye middle class and all the dreams of youth. If your Papa doesn't own the company, you are shit out of luck.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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medicineman said:
Here's the problem. If we let the corporations shop for labor overseas, the middle class that took 100 years to build is dead. The median wage will be 5.00 an hr., way too little to live on. The piece by piece dismantling of the middle class is an elites dream. Cheap labor, and low taxes, what more could the elites want. Goodbye middle class and all the dreams of youth. If your Papa doesn't own the company, you are shit out of luck.
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Let's not forget illegal aliens driving wages down. A perfect example of supply and demand.
 
joepro

joepro

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Nothing wrong with balance.
enough is never enough, just like a junkie and his fix.
able to buy into goverment policys and set forth personal agendas like
taking over shit hole countrys, its marxism-leninism with a smile.
capitalism, imperialism with a heavy oder offederal communism somehow they have
all intertwined in the last 100 plus yrs.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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Johnnyorganic said:
Onerous corporate taxes and unions chase industry offshore. Seems like a sound business decision to me.
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At one time I had a lot of respect for unions. My father was in the, I want to say, Machinists Union (He was a journeyman grinder). That was until Cummins moved their plant to Juarez Mexico.....where was the union then? My grandfather was in the steelworkers union, when Republic Steel closed shop, where was the union? My grandfather had to fight for almost 3 years just to make sure he would keep his pention. All of the autoworkers up in Michigan i'm sure are happy with UAW :-?. My point is I refuse to support an entity that has become more corrupt than the organizations they supposedly try to protect its member from.

Unions, letting lazy people be lazy for over 100 years.

And my Brother and Step-Father are both members of unions (Steelworkers and International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers)
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Mr. Fly, How nice of you to call your Father and grand father Lazy. Unions are the reason we even had a middleclass to begin with. BTW when a company decides to close and move, there is nothing the union can do. Their contracts no longer apply. The corporations do not have a social conscience or any other kind (environmental or otherwise). With the onslaught of a oligarcic plutocracy forming quickly in this country, you better hope you are related to the owner or CEO of the company, White collar jobs are leaving as fast as Blue collar jobs have been leaving and are still leaving. Has anyone considered who they are going to sell all this crap to when there are no employed consumers. They can make all this crap in foriegn countries and pay 10 cents an hour, but to maximise their profits they have to have an upscale market. they cant sell the crap in the country of origin, those workers can't afford to pay the profits.
 
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abNORML

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medicineman said:
Mr. Fly, How nice of you to call your Father and grand father Lazy. Unions are the reason we even had a middleclass to begin with. BTW when a company decides to close and move, there is nothing the union can do. Their contracts no longer apply. The corporations do not have a social conscience or any other kind (environmental or otherwise). With the onslaught of a oligarcic plutocracy forming quickly in this country, you better hope you are related to the owner or CEO of the company, White collar jobs are leaving as fast as Blue collar jobs have been leaving and are still leaving. Has anyone considered who they are going to sell all this crap to when there are no employed consumers. They can make all this crap in foriegn countries and pay 10 cents an hour, but to maximise their profits they have to have an upscale market. they cant sell the crap in the country of origin, those workers can't afford to pay the profits.
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I have to agree with med here, the middle class was ACCIDENTALLY created via organized labor. Unions gave people better pay and reasonable safety and overtime laws. Now our government is fixing this mistake ( the middle class ) by allowing 20 million illegal Mexican immigrants and counting to walk across our border and drive wages back down, thereby getting rid of the middle class and bringing us slowly back to the haves and the have-nots.
 
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