what I think are the best nutes and why. botanicare kind

So this is just my to cents, I have been growing for a long time about 12 to 15 years now about the last 7on a professional level.

No I just want to say I run a hydro shop in dallas, and first and foremost I do not prefer bottle nutes. Ive been brewing organic teas at my shop on my hand fed plants and they are out preforming my hydro plants. So if I had a choice I would do nothing but organics.

However sometimes organics is not the best preforming.

Let me explain my experience. I started off just using fafard organic blend soil, hand watering with tap water start to finish. I worked for fafard so I got free soil. I had no idea what I was doing but turned out amazing.

Then I went to a hydro shop to buy a hid light and some dwc buckets. Well at the time foxfarm was big so I bought the grow big, big bud, and tigerbloom.

I had a bad problem with tigerbloom burning the shit out of my plants. However I did like the grow big veg nutes that they had.

well with a sour taste in my mouth from tiger bloom, I decided to try GH flora series, it was OK, nothing special.

Then I went to problend series from botanicare, I liked it alot but just had a small sample pack however I didnt like how low the ph dropped after using it. But plant were superb.

then I went to humboldts own the master A and B with verde. I thought this was pretty good a little expensive at the time. But overall very good. I was also using hygrozime, calmag, protek silica, and humboldt honey es.

well then I got on some weird version of the lucas blend 8 ml of problend grow from botanicare and 16ml of tigerbloom from FF. Start to finish I did this for atleast two grows, it was ok.

then I went to the flora nova series from GH, which I though it was forsure the best to the date that I had tried. But always had clumps in the bottom of the bottle.

well after that I had been given a full line of dutch master pro, everything the whole full line. With dutch masters I had huge buds and the rez stayed clean, forsure cleanest the cleanest nutes I had up to date. But I must say they lack the frost factor and the taste.

Well after all this I decided to go back to botanicare and with CNS17 in straight coco. I really really liked the flavor, yield was not crazy but taste and flavor made up for the loss. And I liked the ph buffer all I had to do was feed.

Well then I went to dutch pro traded some flowers for it, I got the big bottles and the explode. I hated this stuff, burned the fuck out of my plants and had problems for 2.5 gallons of each until the were spent.

now I have also use canna, house of garden and advanced nutrients. Canna was good but not my fav, house of garden was super badass but to expensive, and advanced nutrients was bull shit, straight trash.

So I went back to botanicare because I really like CNS17 and problend was also pretty good.
I decided to try the botanicare kinds series. I now the healtiest biggest plants I ever grew. The stocks are insane for 6 weeks from seed.

I chose the kind series because it was pH buffered and it already calcium and magnesium added. So no more calmag or tons of pH up. I really had the most explosive growth from kind.

Now I do understand that everyday I get better at gardening, but with age I get sloppy. But this was pretty simple feeding chart. I just started the flower cycle two days ago. But I will strongly say I 99%sure this will blow the doors off everything else. I have not seen what this stuff does in flower, but considering what it has done in veg. Im super excited to see what the out come is..

so like I said this is just my two cents..

hit me back up if you have any questions or have used the kind series.i do get better and better every day but I still think this is the best on the market

Botanicare is not real y cost efficient that my problem with it. Good stuff though one of my favorite nutes.

My favorite nutes is dynagrow.

Fox farm grow big is foo stuff too.

The best way to go is your original style with all organic soil mix hi that can be time consuming.

I just grow In a peat/perlite with dynamite. They have been the best, easiest, and most cost effective imo

I have used botanicare pure blend pro and full line of additives for years now with nothing but great success and the best tasting buds ever, but i dont get your statement about using a lot of ph up. I run 250gal of res's and i may go through a gallon of pH up in a year but 2+gal in pH down.
As for botanicare not being cost efficient, it cost me less than $1.25 per dried ounce in nutes from start to harvest. That's a hell of a return.

superstoner1 said:

I have used botanicare pure blend pro and full line of additives for years now with nothing but great success and the best tasting buds ever, but i dont get your statement about using a lot of ph up. I run 250gal of res's and i may go through a gallon of pH up in a year but 2+gal in pH down.
As for botanicare not being cost efficient, it cost me less than $1.25 per dried ounce in nutes from start to harvest. That's a hell of a return.

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one question are you using RO water? I have to use one tablespoon of pH up per 5 gallons to bring it up to 6.0

No, I believe ro causes more problems for more people that actually don't need it when their tap is fine.

I've used
ionic
canna
plant magic
fox farms organic.
now at the minet im useing dutch pro hydro full line apart from leaf green.and im quiet happy to say dutch pro does better than the rest.
I only use plain tap water that comes out at 7.8 ph and 0.3 ec and seems fine once adjusted and left to settle .

superstoner1 said:

No, I believe ro causes more problems for more people that actually don't need it when their tap is fine.

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I am not using shitty ass Dallas city tap. I filled a 5 gallon jug the other day for cleaning and it was brown. I will not drink it period!

I run a hydro shop, I have a RO and Im using it.

pecks said:

I've used
ionic
canna
plant magic
fox farms organic.
now at the minet im useing dutch pro hydro full line apart from leaf green.and im quiet happy to say dutch pro does better than the rest.
I only use plain tap water that comes out at 7.8 ph and 0.3 ec and seems fine once adjusted and left to settle .

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Interesting I did not like Dutch Pro like I said I am in hydro industry, I run a shop and talk to all the representatives of the nute companies. Let me explain something very quick when you walk into a hydro shop and they pushing a certain line of nutes at you its because they get them for cheap and sell them high. They do not care how the product performs.. Its all about the money.. its just that simple also another factor is Interwebs Hype. What a company does is send out tons of samples, you give them out to newbies. Newbies use them if they don't kill their plants they go online and brag about how good their shit is. These newbies have no idea what they are doing 9 out of 10 times.

this is just my two cents.. I have yet to see a nice grow with dutch pro online or in person, however I strongly agree any nutes used correctly will yield a great end product.

But that's not the name of the thread its not whats good but what is the best.

Thats just hype bud .
Weres all this newbie talk wot just coz ive come on to this forum i must have just pick up a watering can .
Didnt mean to step on your toes i was just saying i have had the best results from dp compared to the others i and u meantiond earlyer.only thing that pissed me off was the ph fluctuation.
I couldnt say wot is (the)best because i have not used half of all the different nutrients but i was just saying the best i have used .

I run ebb and flow at the min.but allways changing i was gonna ask about a strain.bubblegummer female seeds is it worth while.dont mind showing you how they go on the dutch pro shit.

pecks said:

Thats just hype bud .
Weres all this newbie talk wot just coz ive come on to this forum i must have just pick up a watering can .
Didnt mean to step on your toes i was just saying i have had the best results from dp compared to the others i and u meantiond earlyer.only thing that pissed me off was the ph fluctuation.
I couldnt say wot is (the)best because i have not used half of all the different nutrients but i was just saying the best i have used .

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Your good, I wasnt trying to be a dick.. by no means.. sorry if I came off that way.. I do have a good buddy using dutch pro in coco I will attach two pics. He has 2k lights in flower 5 gallon buckets hand fed.. half the room is 5 weeks in bloom and the other half is 2 weeks into bloom.. its not complete trash, I just believe its not great. But we just built a 16 pot dwc and we will be running dutch pro until we finish off the bottles..

the grower did run out of pH up for about a week, and instead of of just watering he still went full strength and kinda burned the shit out of his plants. Lots of yellowing. So one week can make alot of difference. But the pervous run wasnt great either..

ODanksta said:

one question are you using RO water? I have to use one tablespoon of pH up per 5 gallons to bring it up to 6.0

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Wow! I use 5ml of up at around day 5 of a 7-10 day res change cycle to raise ph from 5.7-.8 to 6.1-.2 in a 30 gallon res. My up is 1litre bottle and is the same one I bought a year ago lol. But yes I do go through a tad more down.

I ran 2 seperate cns17 samples in coco and honestly will use it again in the future. I agree that it was easy and the ladies loved it.

currently run lucas with flora series but thinking once that's used up I will run this sample of soul synthetics and then probably back to botanicare.

Yeh bro i hear ya.
I did find that ph fluctuations were quiet big but more stable the more food in the mix.and explode is a hot boost .
When im at max a+b + explode week six i dont add more i stay at that level coz i do get leafs starting to crisp.were ppm or to me my ec gets to hot. I found it best running just below full strenght and i get fast growth .i also bought the big bottles so gotta finish before i switch too lol.
So i see u vote for botanicare why is this good i havent came across this before and after i finish dp im gonna give a next one a try.
Also have u tried that cyco range from aus ?

They look like beautys nice one.im in england so ph is high and i only use ph down if i go to far i dont bother bringing ph back up with ph up i start again lol.
Wot ppm or ec does your plain water come out at ?

I've ran the CNS17 (coco and soil) for 5 years now in coco. My water starts out at 209ppm (80% calcium carbonate/ 20% ferrous iron) ph of 7.9. I use it (Grow) at 5 ml per gallon. For bloom I use 7 ml of bloom with 2,5 ml of hydroplex. At these rates it cost me 11 cents per gallon with excellent results.

CNS17 is dope, we had ran Dutch Masters before the CNS17.. Now I will say DM was super clean more for aeroponics. with DM we had huge cola's, but they were also from seed. But DM lacked flavor seriously. Well the next run we ditched the 4x4 tables and ran just 5 gallon buckets with coco and CNS17 now these were clones but same strains. The CNS17 had so much flavor and better overall but did not yield quite as well.. Maybe it was because the seed or clones.. I really don't know.. But I do know Botanicare Kind Series are is my favorite to date.. And no I do not work for Botanicare


You would think at General Hydroponics or Botanicare you would see a bunch scientist walking around in lab coats with test tubes and shit.. But its not at all.. Try finding some videos where the nutes come from.. Good luck.. I think most nutes are made by the same factories just different blends and bottled.. I've watched videos from both companies neither seem legit..lol

I think the very best way to decide which nutrient line in the best is, of course, the good old scientific method. Ive acquired the nutrients for and planned a 4 way shootout between Advanced Nutrients, Black Label, Cyco and House & Garden. I haven't gotten to start yet due to delays, but enough nutrients of each brands line for a full cycle for one 3x3 tray (4x4 canopy, 25 gal/week) is on deck and the second I get settled its a green light. In the meantime, look at this detailed cost analysis chart I put together comparing the total price for each line, including additives, for a full cycle. The prices if you buy the smaller bottles are the more expensive red numbers, the price if you buy the big bottles is in blue. The only caveat is the Advanced price is for a custom mix I was recommended to use by a friend, using only 5 of their available 13 products. Anyway, I hope you guys find this chart as fascinating as I do.

Im about to a larger then normal grow and i got some free nutes from nectar for the gods. There is a pretty good video on YouTube about it. The dude is bad ass. I'm not sure about the line seems legit but is kinda expensive for organics. Organics is not but suppose to be expensive but usually ends up costing a lot more the it should if your buying bottled nutes

Right off the bat im gonna tell you that ive never met a nute company rep that knew his ass from a hole in the ground about growing mj , other than spouting off shit they were taught at company ( Sales driven ) seminars , for the record folks nobody doing hydroponics needs to buy any $15 a quart nutes , even the highly claimed cheapest nute with dyna gro , all of em are way over priced , i get 5 gallons of liquid nutes from Quality Farm & Fleet for $19.95 & my yeilds are well over a gram per watt , mark up at all hydro shops is 60% to 80% which is what they need to stay open but nutrients are nutrients , i reccomend everybody do some research & see where the local farming industry buys their liquid fertilizers at , you'll shit yourself when you see how much cheaper Agriculturial nutes are vs botique hydro shop nutes are , npk is npk .