Finshaggy
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All your doing is calling what I say speculation. Which it isn't.
Then said something completely unrelated about a space station to answer a question that you didn't even truly answer with the unrelated answer...
What if aliens...
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Then said something completely unrelated about a space station to answer a question that you didn't even truly answer with the unrelated answer...
PeyoteReligion
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Your lack of brains boggles the mind.
Finshaggy
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If you can say that nothing has left this planet and gone somewhere else, and nothing has left from somewhere else to come to this planet. And you can call it fact...
Good for you
Doesn't make it "true" or "fact".
And nothing I have said is proven false.
So mine isn't definite true or fact. But it is no more a lie than anything you have said.
Good for youDoesn't make it "true" or "fact".
And nothing I have said is proven false.
So mine isn't definite true or fact. But it is no more a lie than anything you have said.
Finshaggy
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Maybe the boggled mind shows how backwards that statement is.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I too have spoken to people who have personal experience of the supernatural. I also have had some experiences, but I am made very cautious by my experience with the human psyche's uncanny capacity to convince itself of the weight of a wish.
The fundamental trouble with such accounts is that thay can be neither proven nor disproven. There is simply no natural procedure for reliably, reproducibly interrogating the supernatural. cn
Finshaggy
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I never wished to be fucked with by alternate beings.
You are now just speculating about who I am.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I think i found what you meant ... one of your categories was "smarter humans traveling in space". In context, this means a bifurcation of the species akin to the Star Trek episode where Gary Seven tried to kead off a nuclear war in the 70s. I don't believe in that obviously, and trying to get regular, official human spaceflight under that extraordinary and highly speculative category is fruitless. Let's argue fair, or not at all. cnIf you can say that nothing has left this planet and gone somewhere else, and nothing has left from somewhere else to come to this planet. And you can call it fact...
Doesn't make it "true" or "fact".
And nothing I have said is proven false.
So mine isn't definite true or fact. But it is no more a lie than anything you have said.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Where and what is my speculation? I have not said anything about you. cn
Finshaggy
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No that is not what I was referring to.
I listed "Humans from the future" with ghosts, aliens, dinosaurs, etc.
And you said only dinosaurs existed.
Which is 100% wrong. You are definitely wrong there, not me.
You said you have been cautious of the uncanny human mind. Speculating that I have not, and even saying that I "wished" to have these experiences.
THAT is speculation, because NONE of it is true.
Finshaggy
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This is 100% speculation about ME. You assume I have not taken this into account.
These were REAL experiences. Not my brain.
Again, in march we can talk to every single person that has ever experienced something at my old house if you want.
It's all real, and has been experienced by varying people. Sober, straight edge, and not. From all different backgrounds.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Humans from the future cannot exist except in the future. The very concept of time travel isn't on the table except as a literary device.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niven's_laws
To say that I am careful about something says something abut me and only me. To suggest that I am using it in a passive-aggressive voice is projection, and that is neither right nor fair. We cannot have a civil debate about ideas if you won't treat me and what I say fairly.
Ordinarily you and i get along. I was and am advising you that you cannot take speculation, like the idea that life is too complex to have been purely homegrown, as established. I wish we could concentrate on that one point, but you won't allow it. Perhaps my only wise option is to disengage. cn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niven's_laws
No; I did not imply that. That is not fair of you to me. I have also not said that you wished those experiences. You are placing words in my (mouth), and that is a departure from the code of sound debate.
To say that I am careful about something says something abut me and only me. To suggest that I am using it in a passive-aggressive voice is projection, and that is neither right nor fair. We cannot have a civil debate about ideas if you won't treat me and what I say fairly.
Ordinarily you and i get along. I was and am advising you that you cannot take speculation, like the idea that life is too complex to have been purely homegrown, as established. I wish we could concentrate on that one point, but you won't allow it. Perhaps my only wise option is to disengage. cn
Finshaggy
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I already replied to this, and noticed that I worded it wrong, so I dropped it already.
And it would be stupid not to expect humans in the future.
Just like you know you're paycheck will exist at the end/beginning of the month if you have a job.
This has become an argument of semantics, instead of logic or reason...
RawBudzski
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Time travel is very possible, depending on your definition of it. They have good ideas on how you would accomplish it. Now, the Big Question is if the Technology to get that done, is possible.
remember, just because humans may not be able to do something, does not rule it out of all possibility. Particles may be able to travel @ or faster than the speed of light, does not mean we will ever be capable of doing so. Humans are not the Be-All End-All form of life.
remember, just because humans may not be able to do something, does not rule it out of all possibility. Particles may be able to travel @ or faster than the speed of light, does not mean we will ever be capable of doing so. Humans are not the Be-All End-All form of life.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Semantics are important, Fin. Without agreement on the terms, either of us could move the goalposts at will&whim. That does not lead to a productive or satisfying discussion.
Your post on page one specifically mentioned time travelers. That is humans from the future, not merely in it. The difference isn't splitting words - it's huge. cn
Finshaggy
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Which is why, when I noticed my mistake. I DROPPED THAT PART OF MY ARGUMENT. And pointed out my mistake in wording, and line of thought.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Okay. I missed the part where you said so. Failing to prosecute an argument is not the same as admitting that it isn't right.Which is why, when I noticed my mistake. I DROPPED THAT PART OF MY ARGUMENT. And pointed out my mistake in wording, and line of thought.
Soooo ... where does that leave us? With incomplete agreement about the nature of life, dinosaurs and time travel, inter alia. I don't blame you if you don't want to continue with those. I need a cheeseburger anyway. cn
Finshaggy
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No...
A complete argument about aliens, and other things that they could possibly be (ex:dinosaurs), and the word "speculation"
But I'm down to drop it too.
RawBudzski
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So we have come to an agreement? Aliens exist. 
woohoo !
woohoo !