What if........Bodhi, GGG, etc....elite fems ?

I've been noticing - and purchasing, dammit - some new'ish' companies putting out fem crosses of regs from upper end companies.

Connoisseur is doing Grand Daddy Purples, Freedom of Seeds and Sin City have TGAs, Dr Underground is doing Somas, for instance. I have some of all of these [or on the way], as there's no interest here in breeding - just pop...run...dry..and smoke.

So, I was just wondering, because I know a lot of peeps eschew female beans. But what would the reaction be from the loyal followers of GGG and Bodhi [for instance], should they or another company begin offering fem versions of their high profile stock? Personally.....I'd be all over them. But I'm a lazy, covenience oriented pot head !

I wouldn't be happy. I use to think fems for the win, or small closet. Now I don't mind males in the least. Besides if you have killer genetics why not f 2 them for further exploration or crossing? Shit if the beans you bought were so good, why not explore inwards or our cross them.

Basically if the beans are really good, surely the resulting offspring should be good in an f 2 or crossed with others. I don't think fems are inferior as it is a natural thing to occur, I just think it narrows the gene pool. Most S1 s I've grown out are not nearly as good as the coveted clone onlys

TonightYou said:

I wouldn't be happy. I use to think fems for the win, or small closet. Now I don't mind males in the least. Besides if you have killer genetics why not f 2 them for further exploration or crossing? Shit if the beans you bought were so good, why not explore inwards or our cross them.

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Like I said...I have no interest in breeding. I buy from breeders. In this current climate, I can't foresee they'll ever be unavailable for purchase, and if they are, then I'll drop some pollen. Till then, I reside on easy street by choice.

TonightYou said:

Basically if the beans are really good, surely the resulting offspring should be good in an f 2 or crossed with others. I don't think fems are inferior as it is a natural thing to occur, I just think it narrows the gene pool. Most S1 s I've grown out are not nearly as good as the coveted clone onlys

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I appreciate your point of view - but are you saying you'd be unhappy they were offered? Would it lower your respect for the breeder? As far as me narrowing the gene pool by running fems...my garden would not have any inflence there, amigo. [ I know that's not what you meant ]

It wouldn't make me respect a breeder less no, I just find fems, especially S1 s to not accurately represent the strain description.

I feel ya, I'm not a breeder either but I do plan on making my own beans. saves me some money, makes me learn more about the strains I have and perhaps discover a plant I really love. I tried to knock up my Blueberry hill but the pollen was old that I collected for making an f 2. will give it another go.

I've got plans for the BBH and ssdd. Not now but in the future. Definitely going to f 2 both of those lines and dig for treasures. Now I'm growing some bag beans I found in a bag I loved. looks to be selfed as all three females have popped up. If I get a good male, I want to make some bodhi love to that bag beans, but I'm just in the flower stage so we will have to see if any of them are any good.

I don't think you'll ever see GGG offer feminized versions of their line up directly. But never say never, as you don't know what the future has in store. Market demand will ultimately determine which path is taken in that respect.

Feminized beans are misunderstood and aren't "always unstable" as most would think. It's the maker of the beans that make the product what it is. I've ran some great fem gear and have found just as many hermie/intersexing plants in some reg lines as fem lines. If the grow environment is not fully maintained and kept on point any plant can and will stress - throw hermies for survival. It's DNA encoded into the plant for natural survival to ensure their next generation lives on.

The European market has a larger demand for fem beans, they have their use and place for growers who are working with too little space for doin large plant selection and who want a quick no hassle from seed grow, finish a run and then buy another packet of beans. Some folks never make clones and just run with a pack after pack. A one light and one small tent operation has no space for keeping a mother to clone from, weed still illegal over here and most growers keep a small grow/garden. Or if they have no access to clones, Fems are an attractive choice for these people.

I don't mean they are necessarily unstable. It's just the genetic recombination of the genes typically don't express the desired traits of the clone only. That's all. I've ran fem beans and had awesome plants (oh why didn't I clone you WAS AKR!?!?!?), but also sorry plants.

edit: I keep mothers by simply cloning the plant over and over again, so I don't need a monstrous bush in my closet but I can still keep the genetics I desire.

I feel like fem seeds are just a part of the industry. People hate on them because when people first came out with them they werent doing it right and didnt have faith in the science. That and a bunch of bad growers who caused hermie problems.

Now there are still some companies who refuse to put out fem seeds like TGA and a few others. Doesnt mean theyre any better or worse of a breeder. Shit look at HSO. Making S1s of clone only plants.

I see it as this; If you want to drop 50 seeds from a reputable company, get 25 males 25 females (not realistic but just even 50/50) you can probably find one you love and is your keeper might get a few seeds from some stray pollen or keep a male for future breeding like stated above if that fits your bill. If you want to drop 50 seeds from a reputable company that makes fems youll probably find that same plant, maybe itll be a little less vigorous, or maybe itll be more vigorous.

Ive ran fems and regs but mostly fems and the times ive ran regs id get plants just as sturdy, just as potent, yielding just as well as my fem plants. Had an accidental dusting got some seeds for future experiments.

Its almost like the different kinds of lights or training methods. If all you can afford are some cfls and a mini cab thats what ya gotta do LST/SOG/ScrOG, if you live where its legal you can go all out and backyard grow with a perpetual inside your whole basement.

I feel like if it was fully legal alot of people would grow more regulars because they wouldnt be so crunched for time or into "profit" whatever that may be for a grower.

I like fems and make sure to research before i buy. The only times ive had bananas so far have been from letting plants go late into flower (rodelization) or from heat stress in the summer. That was when i was less experienced and didnt have things as dialed in as i do now. Havent seen a ball in over 2 or 3 years except for a bag seed of some purple trainwreck that ended up bein male dusted a few of my grape gods. Went from no sex to dusting in 3 days. haha.

Either way i think every seed bank serves a purpose. Even if that purpose is to be so bad you choose another seed bank. Live and learn.

In the end you can find gold in anything. Chems shit were all bag seed, supposedly kens was too from "indians"

I bet some clone onlys out there were single seeds found in buds that were fem from the plant or even an accidental cross from one throwin a banana and ended up changing the marijuana world.

So to say fems are anything more or less than regulars isnt true. Theres gold to be found everywhere.

hiya Amos Otis, are the "Connoisseur is doing Grand Daddy Purples" - Fems?

wouldn't mind getting hold of any Grand Daddy Purps(a good nights sleep)...out of Stock a lot at Herbies..

Is my thinking right and Ken Estes only does Regs?

Peace

Good question. I wouldn't be upset but I would steer clear of the fems and buy regs still.

thats why i do journals not only for me to remember or get rep, but to help people make a decision. to either make the choice i did or avoid making the mistake i made.

It takes me a solid week or 2 to hunt down the exact seed i want to buy. Searching high and low for info on it, mostly grows but 90% of them usually arent complete. Theres a handful of people on here who stick it out til the end and theyve helped me make some good decisions on strains and ive helped a few people make good decisions.

Thats what this site is for, calling out the (cali) conns in the game and rewarding the true breeders trying to help the community and not make a killing off taking advantage of us by writing a good description to a strain you just threw together and is nothing like the original.

I would have to disagree with most people here. Not about fems but breeding in general. Its not about the company or makers that make the beans what they are. Its about the genetics. A retard can sprinkle pollen, a retard could buy a fire clone and happen to stumble upon a out of control male and make a seed so good some couldn't comprehend.

I like fems as much as regs. Easier to spot a above average female.

What makes a good male? The ability to add certain traits?

Id like to see more pairing up. Seems some are stuck on a a single male or two. Why not use different males to match up yo different females andthen go as far as to stabilize the cross? Then I would be impressed.

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hiya Amos Otis, are the "Connoisseur is doing Grand Daddy Purples" - Fems?

wouldn't mind getting hold of any Grand Daddy Purps(a good nights sleep)...out of Stock a lot at Herbies..

Is my thinking right and Ken Estes only does Regs?

Peace

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Right you are; Estes does regs. Connoisseur Genetics has feminized Grandaddy Purple s-1, and several crosses in fems; Purple Cheddar really entices my cheese leanings.

https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/connoisseur-genetics-seeds-grandaddy-purple-s1/prod_353.html Out of stock atm.

@ budbro18 exactly what I'm talking about. We all know swerve has the real genetics. Sfv, tahoe, louis. He paired them right. The genetics don't care whos hands they are in.

keep your opinions of cc owner, aside from then genetics he uses. I have yet to see anyone else put out a true og in seed. GGG? Lmao get rid of old Joe. Or stay away from og's. Its not working.

Bodhi is the shit. But his crosses aren't for everybody. Tga is a joke. Im just not impressed by hitting every clone under the sun with special male. Its boring and inconsistent.

We all know what's good. Work on improving a line. Not bringing it down.

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@ budbro18 exactly what I'm talking about. We all know swerve has the real genetics. Sfv, tahoe, louis. He paired them right. The genetics don't care whos hands they are in.

keep your opinions of cc owner, aside from then genetics he uses. I have yet to see anyone else put out a true og in seed. GGG? Lmao get rid of old Joe. Or stay away from og's. Its not working.

Bodhi is the shit. But his crosses aren't for everybody. Tga is a joke. Im just not impressed by hitting every clone under the sun with special male. Its boring and inconsistent.

We all know what's good. Work on improving a line. Not bringing it down.

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Hmmm....well, I don't follow TGA as closely as I did, but the males were Space Dude and Jack the Ripper.....maybe something else by now. But how is that different than Bodhi hitting everything w/ Snow Lotus and Appalachia?

I like both...just wondering about your POV.

I like anyone who doesnt falsely advertise.

If you say all my seeds are f1s of clone onlys and my special males and thats what i want to buy i will. Ive seen a bunch of killer stuff come out of TGA and its nice to get a very very clone only dom pheno and from what my friends have shown its not that hard to find one in a ten pack. Never ran them personally though but my friends dont mess around with bullshit strains.

But if you say this S1 is the truest breeding most like the clone only that has ever lived (like swerve does) when you know it isnt, that shit pisses me off. Like AN saying their shit is so far ahead of everyone elses and thats why it costs so damn much, when UBs over here gettin LBs from miracle grow or jacks.

The proof is in the pudding and these forums are the fridge. Just gotta crawl through some spoiled milk and old cheese to find the pudding.

Its there, just alot of shit stinkin up the path. Mostly uneducated people or those who havent grown a single thing in their life.

I've done Bag seed and had the whole spot the Male and get rid..some of the Bag seed was quite nice(Lemony, and some pepper-ish ones?) but moved on to PAID FOR and the difference was Night and Day...I went with 3 x Fems 00 Choco Skunk & Delicious Cotton Candy and Bomb Cherry Bomb..all Great(but then I am only at the beginning of what I hope to be a Long Fruitful Journey of discovery) Waffling..when I popped these I also popped some Freebie WWxSkunk#1(REGS) x 4 ~ only 1 was a Male..was buzzing...

Next(apart from Clones) I want to move into Autos..in fact I just in the last week got some KC Brains KC45 Autoflowering Seeds(Regs)



"The uplifting high of the KC 45 marijuana strain will hit you like a locomotive when you intelligently toke her. The Ruderalis acts to mellow the buzz a bit, making you feel less hyper than a straight-Sativa strain would."

Now IF I get Fems I will be happy and wouldn't mind a Male..because if I had more than 1 Female out of the bunch then wouldn't mind making some seeds? would they still be Auto(Yes, I think) and this IS the bit i'm not sure but would they be Reg/Fem/Herm?? I'm going with mostly Reg? need to do a bit more reading...

Back on to GDP/Cons?? Herbies only one they got in stock?

Connoisseur Genetics Grandoggy Purps Feminised Seeds - £13.33 Per Seed



And the Info above is the only Info on Herbies about said Strain?? Price & Name? Typo?? Grandoggy? not mine..Herbies



Peace

Bodhi works to find new males. For instance he's looked for suitable males in many of his crosses. I think he struck gold with a couple and they worked out well. He's also had a miss or two I'm sure including a documented one of x18.

Plus the dude has eyes bigger than his capabilities. I admire that, he's got a love for getting strains out there others haven't. Shit he's in China right now gathering genetics. He's released a few land races and he does work on lines as he's been talking about a couple bx. He's working the goji line as well. Plus if other breeders use his gear, that speaks volumes to me. House of Funk comes to mind as well as snow high

bodhi may not be for everyone but his gear is some of the best in my garden. Really nothing is as consistently good, even if it may not be my taste (ie superstitious but I didn't do them justice and will flower all 4 at the same time next go round).

I've never smoked a TGA I just had to have. great flavors but lack luster high. I know a grower and he's a huge fan boy, but I don't give a fuck if it taste like a slurpee but makes me want more. I am about potency first and foremost. Plus any plant that hermi at any point (minus thai, or other pure sativas that do herm, I don't grow them so it's not a concern for me) has zero place in my garden. don't care how good it is, particularly since nothing TGA has made me go "WANT!!!"

I'm sure there is some good gear, but if I don't get some sort of uniformity and predictability of phenos I also have zero interest in it, this obviously excludes f2s

uh lets be serious! every breeder under the sun uses one stud male to as many clone onlys possible. i asked swerve about the work he put in to get to f3,f4,f5 as listed on the tude. no answer.