st0wandgrow
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You two need to take yourselves a lot less seriously. We're growing/smoking/discussing weed here, not splitting atoms.
What if........Bodhi, GGG, etc....elite fems ?
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TonightYou
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I don't take myself overly serious this is the Internet after all. Perhaps I just get bored of predictably stupid comments, and the behaviors that come with it. Besides I can be am asshole myself, it's the Internet after all. Other sites I'm on don't tolerate nor deal with this kinda nonsense. That can be double edge sword of course but I sometimes do wonder how many people just talk shit to drive the conversation into the ditch so to speak.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
thanks stow, and i agree, people need to take a chill pill and relax a bit at times, jesh..
now to the op, idk how'd i feel if someone were to make say s1's of my work and sell them for good money.. some breeders get pissed if you used their gear at all in any cross, let alone simply s1'ing and selling them..
on one hand, pretty much a large percentage of modern strains are all based off of a small variety of old school genetics.. if the people who made nl's or say skunk number 1 said no, you can't use these strains in a cross, where would we be now?
on the other hand, i don't really think it's too cool to put in a bunch of work, stablizing a strain, only to have someone pretty much rip off all your hard work and sell fem's of the same line when they did little to no work on their own, especially if the og breeder is stilling selling the strain in regs.. if it's an old strain but not for sale anywhere, then i don't really see too much of a problem making s1's for people to at least be able to grow out.. i think i'd be pretty pissed though if i was still selling something and joe blow down the block threw some c.s. on my work and started selling s1's of the same thing.. definitely not cool imvho..
my $.02
You'd have to grow atleast 10-20+ S1 of a clone only to find something similar to the mom.
There is a way to stabilize fem beans, through generations.
Using the original mom as the pollen donor.
I've done it in the past with a specific phenotype of cloud#9 to 9th generation.
Still have ~20 of those beans 5+ years old now, they produce almost identical plants.
I did it with a pheno. of Dinafem's old Cloud#9 from an original 10pk.
I was happy with my results, but I like males more now.
They add flavors or change effects, for better or worse depending on how good of a male you select.
S1 Fem beans are usually only good if you find the one closest to the orig. mother.
What do you call fem. beans that have been worked 9 generations?
Feminized F9?
There is a way to stabilize fem beans, through generations.
Using the original mom as the pollen donor.
I've done it in the past with a specific phenotype of cloud#9 to 9th generation.
Still have ~20 of those beans 5+ years old now, they produce almost identical plants.
I did it with a pheno. of Dinafem's old Cloud#9 from an original 10pk.
I was happy with my results, but I like males more now.
They add flavors or change effects, for better or worse depending on how good of a male you select.
S1 Fem beans are usually only good if you find the one closest to the orig. mother.
What do you call fem. beans that have been worked 9 generations?
Feminized F9?
I went through ~40-50 plants each generation(until 6th), to find the one I liked as much (or more) than the original.
Once I reached "f6" they were very close to the same, but still some variety.
So I continued with a smaller selective pollenating(lowers) 3 more generations.
Now they are what I'd consider identical, So I've been saving them for when I get that taste again.
Once I reached "f6" they were very close to the same, but still some variety.
So I continued with a smaller selective pollenating(lowers) 3 more generations.
Now they are what I'd consider identical, So I've been saving them for when I get that taste again.
I wouldn't buy fem. beans, if they Feminized their keeper moms. There's plenty of "breeders" doing that already.
Most of them wouldn't be anything like the original, specifically since they were poly-hybrid to begin with.
There would be so many different phenotypes...
I bet another breeder will do it with their genetics eventually. To profit from their work!
Most of them wouldn't be anything like the original, specifically since they were poly-hybrid to begin with.
There would be so many different phenotypes...
I bet another breeder will do it with their genetics eventually. To profit from their work!
Amos Otis
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Thanks KN and RB for addressing the topic.
I assume, but correct me if I'm wrong, that Sin City would have consent, or at least a n/p acknowlegement from TGA before making and advertising a TGA Agent Orange cross. Connoisseur and GDP I have no idea, but I'd bet the spanish companies would be more likely to take TGA and Soma w/o some consent. NOt because they're Spanish, of course, but because they'd be more likely not to have a working relationship.
But - if I'm grokking what you're saying KN, getting Dairy Queen [ exodus cheese x space queen] and crossing it w/ a male Exodus [FoS CheeseDom] doesn't mean the fems will favor the DQ mom - right? OK....but if not an exact replica, would the beans not have the cheese and sq traits in some combination? I've had finished product from both, and their similarities were more than their differences.
I jumped on 3 fem Tangerine Power [Sin City] fems when I saw they were Agent Orange - I've had a 5 pack of TGA AO regs that keep getting set aside for something else.....but a guaranteed fem kicked with a boost from [people say] a potent Blue Power just screamed "BUY ME".
I doubt Bodhi would ever do fems for all the reasons folks have noted - just wondering how you'd feel if he ok'd someone to run a fem line of say...Goji and Dream Beaver....would you bite?
I assume, but correct me if I'm wrong, that Sin City would have consent, or at least a n/p acknowlegement from TGA before making and advertising a TGA Agent Orange cross. Connoisseur and GDP I have no idea, but I'd bet the spanish companies would be more likely to take TGA and Soma w/o some consent. NOt because they're Spanish, of course, but because they'd be more likely not to have a working relationship.
But - if I'm grokking what you're saying KN, getting Dairy Queen [ exodus cheese x space queen] and crossing it w/ a male Exodus [FoS CheeseDom] doesn't mean the fems will favor the DQ mom - right? OK....but if not an exact replica, would the beans not have the cheese and sq traits in some combination? I've had finished product from both, and their similarities were more than their differences.
I jumped on 3 fem Tangerine Power [Sin City] fems when I saw they were Agent Orange - I've had a 5 pack of TGA AO regs that keep getting set aside for something else.....but a guaranteed fem kicked with a boost from [people say] a potent Blue Power just screamed "BUY ME".
I doubt Bodhi would ever do fems for all the reasons folks have noted - just wondering how you'd feel if he ok'd someone to run a fem line of say...Goji and Dream Beaver....would you bite?
ActionHanks
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I'd definitely hop on some elite fems. Like everyone else is echoing in this thread; you're pretty much taking multiple generations of someone's work and then feminizing it.
I don't allow myself to smoke more than an eighth a week (for productivity"s sake), I will never sell, and sorry friends but I don't share (much).
Never needed more than 150watts and 3sq ft.
Why on earth would I not buy feminized elite genetics?
Hell I've got some Bodhi snowqueen, BB sour cherry, and GGG stomper regs going in seedling pots right now for collodial silver application. I need to make every plant count. I don't care about creating "my own" (owning plant species, don't make me lol) strain I just want dank female plants, and somehow I can't imagine my situation being in the minority.
I would guess at the end of the day this comes down to what you are growing for:
Are you growing to sell?
Are you growing to breed your own personal line of seeds?
Are you growing to preserve and uphold elite genetics?
Are you growing weed to show noobies and veterans alike what "real" dank is?
Or are you growing to smoke weed and get high?
I'm growing weed soley for the purpose of smoking it myself so I can unwind at the end of the day like most people here.
If I had the choice btw regs of an elite cut and some feminized version of it 9\10 times I will go with fem. If I did buy regs, I would just end up selecting and using collodial to make my own fems. Why not let someone do that for me
I don't allow myself to smoke more than an eighth a week (for productivity"s sake), I will never sell, and sorry friends but I don't share (much).
Never needed more than 150watts and 3sq ft.
Why on earth would I not buy feminized elite genetics?
Hell I've got some Bodhi snowqueen, BB sour cherry, and GGG stomper regs going in seedling pots right now for collodial silver application. I need to make every plant count. I don't care about creating "my own" (owning plant species, don't make me lol) strain I just want dank female plants, and somehow I can't imagine my situation being in the minority.
I would guess at the end of the day this comes down to what you are growing for:
Are you growing to sell?
Are you growing to breed your own personal line of seeds?
Are you growing to preserve and uphold elite genetics?
Are you growing weed to show noobies and veterans alike what "real" dank is?
Or are you growing to smoke weed and get high?
I'm growing weed soley for the purpose of smoking it myself so I can unwind at the end of the day like most people here.
If I had the choice btw regs of an elite cut and some feminized version of it 9\10 times I will go with fem. If I did buy regs, I would just end up selecting and using collodial to make my own fems. Why not let someone do that for me
kgp
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This my gripe. We have 200 some breeders. (Maybe more?) They have 5000 strains or crosses. Fems or regs this is going to be the down fall. Watering down genetics. Og kush for example. There has to be 100 different kinds. Every one claiming to have the secret recipe.
I wish a breeder would go back to the basics.
Work on og kush and get it stable. Work on a blueberry stabilize it. Like dj short. Do a cheese, a kush, a haze. Work on uniformed seedlings. That would be impressive to me.
Im just not digging all the crosses. Heirloom and elites are special for what they are not necessarily for what they can produce breeding wise.
I wish a breeder would go back to the basics.
Work on og kush and get it stable. Work on a blueberry stabilize it. Like dj short. Do a cheese, a kush, a haze. Work on uniformed seedlings. That would be impressive to me.
Im just not digging all the crosses. Heirloom and elites are special for what they are not necessarily for what they can produce breeding wise.
OGEvilgenius
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TonightYou
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S1 isn't going to produce many(if any) plants that are identical to the parent.
Lets say you find that special phenotype + create S1 beans from it>
The offspring will resemble the parent, but they will each have different attributes(some good + bad).
So technically it's not like cloning from a proven mother-plant.
I've created + grown my own S1 of a keeper and the offspring were all very different.
There was one that was better than the original that I kept.
It took over 60 plants from the S1 to find one better and using the orig. mother for pollen worked out great for the next generation.
The offspring from that cross were more consistent + higher quality.
I'd rather create my own personal elite fem. from elite keepers I've found in their beans for my friends and I to freely test + enjoy.
I wouldn't buy elite fem. made by some1 trying to profit from their selection
Anyone can create Fem. beans> why would they waste their time with something you can do yourself.
I wouldn't buy elite fem. made by some1 trying to profit from their selection
Anyone can create Fem. beans> why would they waste their time with something you can do yourself.
TonightYou
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What's nice is you know they are legit as bodhi mentions where he drops. I don't trust any clone only bullshit in Michigan especially when they are sad cuts for $15-20
Thecouchlock
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Your welcome guys, I like to throw out my insults every once in a while .
You should dig a little deeper into what im saying instead of just reading over the overt sarcasm.
.You should dig a little deeper into what im saying instead of just reading over the overt sarcasm.
teoborg
Active Member
Totaly agree, most people here think that growing fems it's a federal crime. Shit, it's just an option..
kgp
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Its all about who you know. There are some very legit clones in Michigan, but you are half right. Many bullshit ones too .
kona gold
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No need to bash on organics....just cause you like your chems!
As used to grow with chemical ferts back in the day.....had great results with the Eco line of ferts, as they were more "organic" based.
But one can mess up with organics just as well.....all these tea's and molassas(which makes you weed harsh), and all the liquid amendments. You use too much and it will still be harsh in the end burn. Same goes with the chemicals and all their three-part nute systems, and amendments!
Put side by side in a perfect grow, with someone who knows organics and someone who really knows chemicals....and the organic product will be better for your health, and should allow more flavor nuances, and allow for one to get the full potential of the effects.
Of course the differences are very minor between the two, but more noticable in long term use. That's why i switched to organics.
Smoke a quarter oz of some excellent chem bud and it will be great....but smoke ounces, and you will know what i mean.
Not bashing on chemicals ot you Clankie, as i know your planta look nice, and you seem to be on it. But i have smoked ALOT of to quality chem grown bud, but it always burns harsh after smoking it for a while. I am very sensative to things that go in my body, since i contracted lyme disease in '98.
Again...not bashing or comparing to what you do, as i have never sampled your wares. You mat be one of the few chem growers that does it right.
But most overdue it, thats why they use chemicals in the first place. They want it easy, and want as much yield as they can, so they think more chemicals more yield. Not how it works....then they think they have nute difficencies, or some kind of cal!mag problem, when most of the time its just locked out, cause you have already created an osmotic imbalance.....and when you reach this point.....you cant remedy by flushing, cause it is already locked in the plant tissue.
Sorry for babbling...this golden tiger i'm smoking is pretty trippy!!!!
Amos Otis
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Okay...let's nip this in the bud right now. This discussion was just held in the Bodhi thread, and I'd appreciate if this thread isn't hijacked by the chem vs dirt arguments again. In the end, everyone holds to their opinions.
Always appreciate your input, KG, let's just have that debate elsewhere if it must be had again. Thanks.