What is better distilled or RO water?

PetFlora

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Good question. I think ro is better because it is not stripped of its minerals like distilled is.
WRONG!

RO membranes reject the minerals which go to drain. Essentially "pure' water goes to storage tank

Most RO membranes will reject ~ 90% of the tap water ppms

The definition of Distilled is having less than 10 ppm, meaning RO could equal it


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az2000

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Supposedly the chlorine evaporates within the 24 hours of exposure. That means you want to leave the lid off the container.
I've read a lot of cities use chloramine, not chlorine, and it doesn't dissipate by aeration. I never investigated it too much because my tap water is up around 700ppm, so I have to do RO for that reason.
 

az2000

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That looks super fancy.
RO systems are mostly commodities. Or, at least a person would want to get one that looks like that one. Commoditized (interchangeable) filter bowls, filters, etc. WattsPremier sells a *six* stage for $200.(<<link). It's designed for high volume applications like aquarium owners and growers. It has 2 parallel membranes which speeds the production of water. A slightly larger 4-gal tank (with larger tanks available).

I've had my eye on that for awhile. If I install an RO filter I'd add a "permeate" pump (<<link) which uses the production of waste water (brine) to help pressurize the pump. Reduces the ratio of waste to filtered water. Slightly increases the amount of water held in the pressurized tank. (May improve the performance/lifetime of the membrane by reducing the pressure.). Not sure how to hook up a permeate to two membranes though.

The other Watts models are examples of what I'd stay away from. Proprietary manifolds or proprietary "easy replacement" filters. The nice thing about the generic (commoditized) manifolds is that a 4-stage could easily be converted into a 6-stage (or 20 stage) using standardized parts.

EDIT: I just found a diagram of how to use permeate pumps with dual-membrane systems.(<<link).

Here's an example of how a system can be created from scratch using standardized parts, or extended with more stages: http://www.purewater4u.com/
 
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AquariusPanta

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I've read a lot of cities use chloramine, not chlorine, and it doesn't dissipate by aeration. I never investigated it too much because my tap water is up around 700ppm, so I have to do RO for that reason.
This I did not know about. I lived on well-water throughout my adolescence (age ~0 -18). Only recently have I been living in the city where one can taste the difference.

I did some research on the water quality of the city I live in. Looks like Chloramine has replaced chlorine, as you pointed out. For this year, the average Chloramine level was 2.1 particles/parts per million (ppm). That doesn't seem like a lot to you does it? You don't think it I should be concerned do you?
 

az2000

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For this year, the average Chloramine level was 2.1 particles/parts per million (ppm). That doesn't seem like a lot to you does it? You don't think it I should be concerned do you?
I don't know. You said you're not having any problems, so... I guess I wouldn't worry about it. It might be interesting to try a grow using RO water to see if you notice a difference.
 

chuck estevez

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I have done plenty of grows with r/o and with just filtered, other than having to use cal/mag with the r/o, there is no difference/ But please don't go snitch on me for replying to a thread. No one likes tattle tales.
 
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PetFlora

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Distillation leaves all the dissolved solids behind. None of it evaporates at 100C. A RO membrane is never perfect, and breaks down over time. Even when new, it doesn't remove dissolved solids as well as distilled.

We're not trying to filter out dissolved/mixed gasses and liquids (alcohol???)

Church, like everything else, not all RO machines (or RO membranes) are the same

My 10 yo Kinetico ($1700 when new) with a now 3 year old membrane is still < 20 ppms from ~ 110 ppm tap

That's exceptional, and close enough to the definition to distilled (< 10ppm) using no electricity


A real draw back to home distilling is that all the minerals stick inside the boiler and must be cleaned regularly
 

PetFlora

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Why did you quote the same thing twice? For extra emphasis?

And for the fourteenth time, yes RO is more pure.
Again you are WRONG

Repeating a mis-truth 14 times does not make it right. That technique comes right out of the government mind control playbook. Repeat a lie over and over for generations and eventually it becomes fact. Most people are too lazy to fact check

RO can be 'more pure', but 95% of household ROs will not remove TDS (total dissolved solids) to below 10 ppms, which AGAIN is the standard for pure water, either distilled, or RO

To get high purity RO water you first need very low TDS tap water or very high water pressure (> 50 psi) or a booster pump to improve rejection ability
 

Yodaweed

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I get my R/O water from safeway it is always between 5-10 ppm. Started using cal-mag supplements cause I had a deficiency but the plants like the R/O water.
 

ElfoodStampo

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I drink R/o water almost exclusively. I don't want to drink the shit that's put in the public waters supply to make it "safe". I eat fresh veggies and home grown beef. I get all the minerals I need from that.
As far as growing, using an alternative to tap water is for me a way to know were I'm starting. With R/o there's no question as to what my plants are getting because I'm the one in control of what goes in the water. If I could distill water economically, I would do that because it produces water with no contamination.
 
4. STEAM DISTILLED WATER
Distillation consists of boiling and evaporating water and then recondensing the vapor or steam back into liquid water. This is a very natural process, and is exactly what occurs when water evaporates into the air and then falls to the ground as rain.

When water is distilled in nature through evaporation, all solid matter is left behind and only pure H20 rises into the air to form clouds that eventually drop their moisture as rain. This is nature’s premier water filtration system, in fact.

When water is distilled by mankind, by boiling it and recondensing it, all solid matter is left behind except chemicals that volatilize at a lower temperature than the water. Most industrial distillers have methods to capture these substances to prevent them from remaining in the water.

For this reason, I find that industrially distilled water is the very best, not home distillers of any kind.I do not recommend buying a home distiller for this reason.


Advantages of distilled water. Distillation does not significantly damage the subtle properties of water such as its spin, moment, specific gravity and other subtle qualities of the water. In fact, distilling is the best and really the only way to remove the “memory” of damage to water that is known to occur when water is contaminated in any way.

Good quality distilled water is free of most chemicals and all toxic metals. It is also free of pathogens such as bacteria and viruses.


Problems with distilled water. These are many and include:


1. Distilled water acts as a chelator in the body. This is a very serious problem, in our experience. Distillation (as with reverse osmosis) creates a "hungry" water. This means it is devoid of minerals and, as a result, distilled water tends to attract to itself whatever minerals it touches.

When one drinks distilled water, as soon as it enters the body it begins to grab onto and hold onto minerals. This process is called chelation. When the distilled water passes out of the body through the kidneys, some of these minerals are lost to the body. Since it is a mild form of chelation, if one drinks distilled water for more than a few weeks or months, over time it will remove some vital minerals from the body. This is extremely harmful today because most of us are low in vital minerals to begin with.


2. Distilled water lacks nutrient minerals. Almost everyone is already low in nutrient or vital minerals, and we need to obtain more of them any way we can. One can absorb some minerals from drinking water. In fact, good water can supply 30 or 40 trace minerals that the body needs in small quantities. Unlike spring water or even tap water, distilled water is lacking minerals, so it is less desirable for that reason.


3. Distillation produces a slightly acidic water. Some people do not like this fact. However, it is not quite the truth. Used for short periods of time up to three or perhaps even 6 months, distilled water often removes so many toxic chemicals and metals from the body that the overall effect is alkalinizing, even though the water itself may be slightly acidic in its pH. In other words, it does not matter that the distilled water is acidic, provided the long-term effect of the water is to make the body more alkaline.

However, if distilled water is continued for more than a few months, it begins to leach out some vital “alkaline reserve” minerals that are the ones responsible for making the body more alkaline. Therefore, long-term use of distilled water will eventually cause the body to become more acidic if it is used for more than a few months.


4. Metal contamination. A minor problem with distillation is that metallic distillers, even stainless steel ones, can possibly give up some chromium, nickel, molybdenum, and iron into the water. It is not a lot, however, as most is bound up in the stainless steel. An all-glass distiller would be superior, if such a machine were available. I have not heard of such machines, however.


Adding minerals to distilled water. Some doctors and some designer waters begin with distilled water and add minerals to it to offset the problems of drinking pure distilled water. However, mineral science is very complex and there are over 40 trace minerals that our bodies need in minute quantities in many cases. No one, in my view, is very good at figuring out 1) which minerals to add, 2) how much of each, and 3) in what form to add them.

Also, as explained above, water is type of energy and a type of ‘whole food’. Any time you alter it, some of its properties may be damaged or destroyed. I have reviewed dozens of water products on the internet and elsewhere. None are very good, in my view, or worth the money. For this reason, I do not advocate adding minerals, sea salt or anything else to any drinking water.


Summary: Most people should avoid distilled water for the reasons listed above. I rarely suggest it for a short time only to help with a healing reaction. Drinking distilled water for longer than this, however, always results in vital mineral deficiencies.


5. REVERSE OSMOSIS WATER


Reverse osmosis or RO is by far the most common manmade method of purifying water on earth. It involves passing water at high pressure through a plastic membrane with tiny holes in it. Most minerals and chemicals are too large to pass through the membrane and remain behind, resulting in the formation of a largely mineral-free, chemical-free and pathogen-free water.

The design of most RO units includes a way of back flushing the membrane constantly to hopefully prevent excessive buildup of solid matter on the plastic membrane. This is important or the membrane would be destroyed quickly. The membrane usually lasts about a year, at which time the water quality deteriorates and the membrane must be replaced.

Gases, such as chlorine, can pass through the membrane. For this reason, most reverse osmosis units also usually contain pre- and post-filters. The pre-filter extends the life of the membrane by removing larger particles and certain chemicals. The carbon post-filter further purifies the water, removing chlorine and other gases that may pass through the filter.

RO is the most commonly used methods of producing pure water on planet earth. It is used in almost all home and commercial "drinking water" machines such as those in water stores, supermarkets and health food stores. It is also used industrially in bottling plants for soda pop, soups, juices, beer and many other drinks. It is also used on all ships, some aircraft, and in many other applications. It is much cheaper than distillation.


Advantages of reverse osmosis water. These include its low level of toxic metals, toxic chemicals and pathogens, and its low cost.


Disadvantages of reverse osmosis water. Unfortunately, RO water has many disadvantages:


1. RO water, in general, does not hydrate the body well. This is its worst aspect. It is unfortunate, but we see it over and over again. The plastic membrane must damage the water in some subtle way that I do not understand.


2. A residue from the plastic membrane seems to find its way into the water, and then into the body. This is a consistent finding in everyone who drinks RO water. So it adds a new toxin to the body, even though the water is quite pure in other ways.


3. The water is extremely yin in Chinese medical terms. This may be because it lacks minerals and because it is contaminated with plastic from the RO membrane. The yin quality is harmful and best avoided.
4. There is evidence from a few clients that RO water damages the third energy center or chakra.
5. There is no simple way to test the quality of the water. As the plastic RO membrane and pre-and post-filters age in a reverse osmosis machine, the water quality declines. A simple total dissolved solids or TDS meter may not detect chemical contamination.
6. Carbon and other filters in RO systems can become contaminated with bacteria and viruses easily. Manufacturers suggest replacing the carbon filters at specified intervals or after a certain number of gallons have been produced. However, these are just averages. Other than the taste, it is most difficult to assess the cleanliness of the carbon filters.
7. Reverse osmosis water is severely mineral deficient and has an acidic pH. As with distilled water, it does not supply the body with needed trace minerals, and it may have a mild chelating effect. This means that it may remove some vital minerals from the body.
The acidic pH is also a slight problem.
8. RO wastes a lot of water that must be used to backflush the system. It also causes pollution because the plastic membranes do not biodegrade quickly. The polycarbonate plastics degrade slowly in the landfills. Filled with toxic substances, they represent a source of long-term pollution. Extremely high-temperature incineration, which is gaining in popularity, is the best form of disposal of the membranes that I am aware of.
Summary. Water filtered by reverse osmosis or RO is not good drinking water, in my experience. Its effects can be terrible, including even kidney failure. I know that sounds extreme, but several cases have occurred that I know about.
It does not matter if someone has added minerals back to the RO water, boiled it, or done other things to it like praying over it or “energizing” it in any way that I have seen, so far. These methods do not seems to undo the damage to the water that occurs due to passing it through the plastic RO membrane. Please avoid all water made this way for best hydration.[/QUOTE]
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budman111

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4. STEAM DISTILLED WATER
Distillation
consists of boiling and evaporating water and then recondensing the vapor or steam back into liquid water. This is a very natural process, and is exactly what occurs when water evaporates into the air and then falls to the ground as rain.

When water is distilled in nature through evaporation, all solid matter is left behind and only pure H20 rises into the air to form clouds that eventually drop their moisture as rain. This is nature’s premier water filtration system, in fact.

When water is distilled by mankind, by boiling it and recondensing it, all solid matter is left behind except chemicals that volatilize at a lower temperature than the water. Most industrial distillers have methods to capture these substances to prevent them from remaining in the water.



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