What is da Best new strain for newbies?

What effects do you want?

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Know your own stone

by DJ Short (01 Sept, 1999)


An educated and descerning palate is a key requirement in breeding and appreciating cannabis.

Spectrums of experience

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down" experience. "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.

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Here's an idea of the types of effects available. The spectrum of effects in this list is quite narrow as I've been looking for up highs mostly, and one strain for a nice euphoric and/or trippy stone.

A mostly Sativa list.

AK47 - Serious Seeds: Rocket Fuel. Up, soaring, not functional. One hit, incredibly potent. Stinks like cat piss and dead skunk. Or perhaps smells as if a cat pissed on a skunk and the smell was so bad the skunk died, then the cat dragged the skunk into a garbage bag and left it in the sun for a week. Get odor control if you're doing this strain.

Alaskan Ice - Greenhouse: one of the strongest cannabis plants ever bred .. a cross of original Green House White Widow and Pure Haze ... has all the well known characteristics of the White Widow, with a much higher THC content and a very sativa-like effect, energizing and very trippy. CBD level is also very high at over 1%, giving it a complete physical effect that follows the first burst of high. The taste is spicy and hazy, with a very well balanced bouquet in between the White Widow and the Haze flavors.

Arjan's Haze #3 - Greenhouse: Euphoric, cerebral high with trippy undertones.

Big Bang - Greenhouse: Very known for its medicinal properties, it is sold in the Dutch pharmacies as prescription medicine. Relaxing and calming effect.

Big Laughing - Dr Greenthumb: instant mood changer, you will not be able to stop laughing, up silly high, very potent. Easy to grow, forgiving, very low odor, 9 weeks flower. Amazing spicy wood taste, you never want to exhale. My favorite strain.

Blueberry - DJ Short: Very fruity aroma, and taste of blueberry. Produces a notable and pleasantly euphoric stone. Highest quality and is very long lasting. A classic.

Blue Moonshine - DJ Short: the White Widow of the blue family. Potent and narcotic.

Bubblegum - Serious Seeds: uplifting, euphoric, clear, social. I'm at 8 weeks flower: easy to grow, great yield, low fruity smell, great taste in early testing, potency is good and going to be great. I highly recommend this strain. Bag appeal is phenomenal if you're into that kind of thing.

Cheese - Big Bhudda: appealing fruity fresh smell, uplifting effect, highly pungent hence its name! No ceiling high, little tolerance build up.

Cheese S1 Feminized seeds from original clone - Dr Greenthumb: Uplifting high that lasts four hour, unusual cheesy smell with deeply pungent earthy taste.

Durban Poison - Dutch Passion: The plant produces a Thai-like aniseed smell similar to licorice. A husky, earthy taste pleasant to the smoker. Durban Poison is well known for it's "up - feel good" high that produces an energetic, trip effect. A good beginner strain, inside or out, does well under artificial light, 8-9 week flower, 100% Sativa.

F13 - DJ Short: F-13 a Holy Grail plant of four-star excellence. Previously unreleased, a very desirable product and potential breeder. A more sativa hybrid of medium height with long, spear-shaped, dense and resinous buds and an earlier finish-time than most sativa. The superlative quality of the finished product is remarkable: A clear, clean, crisp head of the kindest order. This girl really rings the bell every time! Not for the couch-lock crowd, this heady sativa is for those who truly enjoy its stimulating yet comfortable appeal. A real day-brightener. DJ's personal favorite from this batch. Grow Location: Indoor Flowering: 7 - 9 weeks Yield: Average

Flo - DJ Short: Unique motivating high.

Jack Flash (Jack Herer) - Sensi: Exotic high, powerful on body and mind. Trippy. The best Jack Herer is often passed around a select circle of friends - an example of one of those things that money just can’t buy. The trait common to all Jack Herer phenotypes is a dazzling double-edged potency - a stratospheric cerebral high underpinned by a breathtaking body-buzz with seismic power. Smokers should be prepared to feel the earth shake beneath their feet - which can be a very pleasant feeling when your head is firmly in the clouds. The cat's meow.

Kali Mist - Serious Seeds: up, clear, energized, no ceiling. Top sativa today, so says the advertising. Warning: It is reported that women love this strain, both for the pure enjoyment of the experience and for medicinal properties that stand out during menstruation. Be sure to have extra security at your house to keep the women out, you may send them to my place as I would feel responsible for your plight.

Opium - Paradise: Opium’s fragrance and tastes are composed mostly of fruit. Most plants have a creamy tropical punch taste. Opium is a majestic plant, with intense smoke from liftoff to landing. Opium does not leave you crashing on the ground at the end of the ride. Her Sativa heritage registers in every cell of your body, lifting you up with an amazing cerebral high complete with visuals and racing thoughts.

Power Plant - Dutch Passion: Pure Power Plant has a pleasant almost pine after taste and a powerful up social buzz. Large yield, 8-9 weeks flower, VERY odorous in late flowering. The smoke after 15 days of drying and 15 of curing is soft,smooth,sweet,fruity (mainly citrus and orange) with piney undertones. The effect is mainly in the head ,uplifting with a good potency without body effect; very good day smoking, almost inspiring.

Red Diesel - Barney's Farm: up and trippy.

Skunk #1 (Original) - Seedsman: Like the origional Cheese: a sweet smell and taste with a cerebral high.

Strawberry Cough - Dr Greenthumb (S1 of original clone): up, clear, mild, melts anxiety, good all day bud.

Super Silver Haze - Greenhouse: Potent. Potent. Potent. Creepy and powerful on the body. 4 phenos, the best sativa pheno: Smell is fairly strong floral & spicey with a hint of sweetness. Taste is very spicey with a great hazey slightly sweet aftertaste. The high is a stupifying mix of Sativa and Indica effects. The Sativa side is visual mentally confusing (hard to think straight/concentrate) while the Indica is just enough to relax the body (kill the pain) & take away most of the edgy racey paranoia feeling of the Haze.

Super Strawberry Diesel - Elite Genetics: the original Strawberry Cough clone crossed with a Diesel then back crossed with Sour OG Kush for added potency. The taste is of pure strawberry cough drops and strong diesel, with great potency. The Sour OG Kush seemed to add potency while leaving the strong strawberry cough drop flavor/diesel flavor. Matures very fast (9 weeks), amazing taste and potency.

Texada Timewarp - (Peak has been out for a year-who?): up high, beautiful lemony fresh smelling buds. Great producing strain outdoors, very dependable. Can grow to 12' outdoors. TT is from Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada - good for short growing seasons.

Trainwreck - Greenhouse: Effect: Like the name suggests, a real blast. It hits fast, and it hits hard. Stoney on the body, confusing and trippy on the brain. A truly powerful smoke.

White Widow - Seedsman: Unique, refreshing taste, strong skunky smell, mind-blowing, sugary appearance, one of the finest quality highs you could ever experience. A few tokes of White Widow and you’ll be sent into a floating utopia. A light and airy high bursting with energy, White Widow is a classic, psychedelic sativa strain not to be missed.


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http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis...dsEntrance.htm
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/
http://www.pickandmixseeds.co.uk/
http://elitegenetics.webs.com/Elite%...og%20%2709.pdf
http://www.peakseedsbc.com/seeds.htm

If you're from the States, Attitude has a small Pick n Mix section if you want feminized singles. They ship to the US while the Pick n Mix seedbank does not. Greenthumb ships to the US.

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Double post.

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I agree with Brick Top 100%.

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"600 hps/mh closet hydro grow w/ da works."

Closet grow:

1. have you sat in the closet, door shut and light on in the closet's room, with a bowl for 15 - 30 min to check for light leaks? What seems pitch black when the door shuts can often be easily navigated by sight in 15 minutes. Hermies.

2. How are you going to vent the heat from the closet? What type of fan, do you have an air cooled hood. Cook the plants.

3. 600W is a lot for a small closet, what are the demensions? Fine if you have proper venting, but you could go to 400W or even 250W if the closet is small. Average rule of thumb - 50W HID per square foot to flower: 2' x 3' closet = 6'sq ~ 250W - 400W. maximum yield and potency / cook the plants.

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Hydro

How much experience growing do you have? Your thread's title asks for strains for newbies and you're going to start off with hydro? If you're just starting out stick with Pro Mix, Scott's, B'Cuzz, etc - soiless. Do hydro from clones next grow, rather than starting your seedling in rockwool.

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A shorter strain will be best, easier to work with starting out.

A short flowering strain is a necessity for your first grow - it's forever waiting for the first harvest.

A resiliant strain like Northern Lights so when you mess up, and most of us did at the start, it will still finish and give you great bud.

As potent as you can get - your skill level will be at its all time worst your first grow, let the strain make up for your short commings as a new grower. A White Widow or AK47 grown so so will give you a better kick than Strawberry Cough (Dutch Passion version) grown by the best.

An autoflowering strain like Auto AK47 will be forgiving of light leaks. Fast harvesting to get you that first bud quickly. Short.

A hybrid will give you better yield and potency than an autoflower, and much more variety. Can be cloned to keep a great pheno or favorite strain.

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Thanx hobbes youve been a great help... as for why a newer strand brick top ..cuz theres an abundance of older strains floating round my social circles so to I wanted to bring sumthang new to the table

dig if I were asked to refer one strain of bud for a beginner, I decide what's important for effects, I'd pick Endless Sky by Dr Greenthumb:

Short flowering - 42-45 days
Potent - supposedly more potent than White Widow, will be a heavy stone
Easy to grow - forgiving of errors, very resilient, short

Virtually every review I've read has been positive, a few people weren't happy with the strain. Expensive.

http://www.drgreenthumb.com/cannabis_seeds_GreenthumbSeedsEntrance.htm

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If you're willing to wait through a bit longer flower for harvest take a look at the Clone Only crowd, some amazing strains. I'm doing Super Strawberry Diesel by Elite now and have 2 Reservoir Chemdawg strains on order, looking to pick up a Sub Cool in a few months. Potent, trippy and very small seed batches.

http://elitegenetics.webs.com/

http://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65552

http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/TGA/index.htm

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White Widow
AK47
White Russian
Northern Lights
Durban Poison
Big Laughing
Trainwreck
Cheese
Bubblegum
Alaskan Ice

Do you have odor control?

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northern lights #5,just feed some food it grows,it really is a weed that strain.

you want something super forgiving, something that grows like it's on 'roids?...the shark...the super skunk is an extremely vigorous family...add widow for fuzz and higher t.h.c....for beginners, I couldn't think of a better plant. they clone easy and fast, and they just take off!

You make it sound super-hard to grow sativa dominant for the first time. I've been
reading for 3 months while I save up mahoney for gear and I can't see' what the fuzz is about.
Then somebody always sais "Buy some dirt, an easy strain & just water it".
Are all these strains so much crap
as to need expert/precise care?

+rep to this thread, it rocks!

CarbonBubblegum said:

You make it sound super-hard to grow sativa dominant for the first time. I've been
reading for 3 months while I save up mahoney for gear and I can't see' what the fuzz is about.
Then somebody always sais "Buy some dirt, an easy strain & just water it".
Are all these strains so much crap
as to need expert/precise care?

+rep to this thread, it rocks!

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no but some sativas that take a long time and have uneven stretch and can get nute over load,and temps can be a problem i mean the list is long,people just are saying get your feet wet with a hardy strain,that finishes relatively quick.believe me you dont want your first plant to have a 36 inch stretch and then figure out what to do with it.it is not a snake you can let go in the swamps of florida when it gets to big to take care of lol.

Cheers trap, ill keep my snake in my pants. I have plenty of space and going for easy metered grow
dirt or soil-less, enough of that,
**going into lurking mode**

doing it right takes time to learn...not just reading- we all need actual field experience...i learn deepest from MY fuckups...I learned how critical temperature and humidity are, by seeing what happens...I now have a really good feel for what each strain can handle....my best advise for new growers is: don't push the river!!! your biggest assets should be patience and temperance(don't over do it!)...fert's are a great example in the overdone dept. I'm a militant organics guy, so I don't have to worry so much in the nutrient burn category(doesn't happen!). new growers would do very well to hop on the organics wagon if for no other reason than avoiding nute problems...and don't get me started about the difference in taste!!!

Affirmative! Learning this should be fun.
I would rep u if i could, Appreciate it.