What Is Up With Feminized Seeds???

so i have been in the lurks of placing another seed order. im almost tempted to see what is up with these feminized seeds. sometimes i see the fems are cheaper. why is that? i have also read somewhere, can not remember if it was on here or where it was, but, do the fem seeds have a higher chance of herming out? are the normal seeds for finding different phenos? seems like it would be the best bet. but how can i be safe? would i have a chance of plants herming out on me with the fems versus the non fems that i will have a chance with getting males? yeah? i have seen herms in the Northern Lights were grew int he nineties, i hate herms!!! all that time just to have to pull a plant out early. fuck that!! i think id rather take my chances with the males. new phenos are seriously one of my truest desires in growing. i love to plant 10 seeds and have 3 different variations of a plant. i had 5 different Super Purple Platinum Bubba Kush seeds and seriously saw 5 different plants. one of them is almost a pinkish purple right now, and its only in veg. but one looks like it flowering on me, or maybe those are just a bunch of pre-flowers (may need to upload a pic, just not on this thread) so would i be happier with the normal seeds? do the fems have higher chances of herming out?? +rep for answers!! thanks!!

order from a good breeder with good genetics and you shouldn't have any problems mate

YEAH??! is it really that safe then?? i do my homework before buying, except on my first order, i didnt. but on my second order i did MAD research for the White Widow. too many banks selling that and i had to find the original, not one of the impostors. i do not supporting fake seed banks or fake breeders. i only want the true genes form the breeder who breed them. UNLESS!! i hear that another seedbank sells a better version then the original. i am now thinking about picking up the original AK-47, the original Bubblegum. those are the 2 next ones i am after. i usually buy the strain im after, then i pick up a second best selection. something that i do not mind if it is from the original breeder, i can't take too much time deciding what i want sometimes, cuz most of my buys are impulse buys, lol!! i was looking at placing an order with Nirvana today, or maybe later at then end of the week. still need to do homework.

Order stealth shipping from Nirvana or Attitude, you won't be disappointed.

Most well known breeders stabilize the plants, so there is little chance of hermie if you keep the conditions right. i have 2 feminized strains in flower right now. barneys farm g13 haze, and dinafem super silver. no signs of hermie, and they have been pretty mistreated (hydro issues)

i've grown a lot of fems by a lot of different breeders, and i've yet to have one thing go hermie on me... but saying that, i'd never grow a fem seed from a certain few breeders out there.. not going to name names as it's very easy info to find, but i don't think that those companies just suck at fems, or they just suck pretty much all over, and not only wouldn't i grow a fem from them, i'd never waste my time growing a photoperiod plant from them either.. .. but that's just me..
some people hate fems, that's up to them, like i sad, i grow tons of them, and not an issue.. i'm growing bubba kush from cali con atm, and it's a fem..

All my plants are "bag seed" from flo that presumably hermed out. All seed were female indicating feminization. I recently had two home inspections and had to move my plants to be safe. I even had them out of the light shcedule and no herm! Just be careful as you grow and no herms should arise.

and to answer the question of if you're more likely to get a male from a reg seed or a hermie from a fem'ed seed, that's pretty simple as the chance of getting a male from a reg seed will always be 50%, if the chance of getting a hermie from a fem seed were any thing near that high, i'd never even think of growing them, nor do i think a lot of other people would either..

also, some strains are known to have inherent hermie problems in it's genetics, and pretty much can rest assured that when growing that strain, in late flower you may run into a nanner or two..
the real east coast sour d is supposed to be like that ... i've also heard a lot of genetic problems with say dj shorts blueberry, as bomb of a strain as it is, it can be a nightmare to grow at times..

Bwpz said:

Order stealth shipping from Nirvana or Attitude, you won't be disappointed.

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only if they created the strain im after. i know about both, thank you!!

ok then, that just about answers my questions. if the money is available, ill be picking a pack of each up!! im a hardcore collector, and to have fem seeds and seeds that i can find dif phenos with, would be my best bet. i still suck at cloning, so i have mother plants, and plan on keeping a few around, i will probably doing the most of my growing from seeds. but who knows i could pick up cloning here within the next week and everything can change again. right now i have 2 mothers and 1 plant that is "hanging" out in veg, cuz i have not enough room in my tent. it fucking sucks. i even have an extra 400w bulb and ballast that i could be using, but have not the tent, or the room. so they wait. but i may throw one of them in the tent when the space is available. i need a system, a game plan. im still in my practicing stage.

also, i just posted threads on the 6 next strains im after. if anyone wants to help point me in the right direction. im not just looking for the strain because it has the name. im finding out that is not how you find the original genes. im in deep search for the ORIGINAL strains, from the ORIGINAL breeder.

i am still looking for my real parents......

STS an CS used to reverse a female isnt the same as a stress induced hermi.



"The colloidal silver simply combines with the copper molecules in the cannabis plant. It doesn't change the plant physically or genetically - it is the same plant ... however ... in female cannabis plants, copper is used for ethylene production which lets the plant know it is supposed to be female and produce female flowers. When the copper molecules are no longer freely available in the plant (they are bound to the silver molecules that were in the colloidal silver) the plant no longer produces ethylene (where the CS has been applied) and no longer will grow female flowers (where CS has been applied).
The plant will produce flowers when sexually mature and put under the required 12/12 photoperiod lighting schedule, but if the ethylene is not present at the bud-site then the flowers cannot be female, and the plant is forced to grow male flowers.
If you apply CS to a part of a female plant, then that part will not be able to produce female flowers and will produce male flowers ... JUST where the CS was applied.

It is not stressing the plant.

Plants operate through a number of different chemical indicators and hormones - what they do is dependent on the presence/absence of these hormones/chemicals. They don't have eyes, ears, fingers etc. as a means of assessing their environment, nor a brain to process whatever input they get. *Their whole behaviour is controlled at a chemical/hormonal level, and by manipulating these indicators we can control the plant in some areas.

There is too much emphasis put on "STRESS" causing hermies.
Cook them, burn them, snap them, starve them, poison them, do whatever you want to the plant and it won't hermie ... unless you significantly screw with the lighting schedule. Repeatedly interrupt the dark period (when flowering) with bright light and you will probably turn the plant hermie (if it is susceptable to such stress). Pretty much anything else won't bother them.

Grumpy old dreamer

SCARHOLE said:

STS an CS used to reverse a female isnt the same as a stress induced hermi.



"The colloidal silver simply combines with the copper molecules in the cannabis plant. It doesn't change the plant physically or genetically - it is the same plant ... however ... in female cannabis plants, copper is used for ethylene production which lets the plant know it is supposed to be female and produce female flowers. When the copper molecules are no longer freely available in the plant (they are bound to the silver molecules that were in the colloidal silver) the plant no longer produces ethylene (where the CS has been applied) and no longer will grow female flowers (where CS has been applied).
The plant will produce flowers when sexually mature and put under the required 12/12 photoperiod lighting schedule, but if the ethylene is not present at the bud-site then the flowers cannot be female, and the plant is forced to grow male flowers.
If you apply CS to a part of a female plant, then that part will not be able to produce female flowers and will produce male flowers ... JUST where the CS was applied.

It is not stressing the plant.

Plants operate through a number of different chemical indicators and hormones - what they do is dependent on the presence/absence of these hormones/chemicals. They don't have eyes, ears, fingers etc. as a means of assessing their environment, nor a brain to process whatever input they get. *Their whole behaviour is controlled at a chemical/hormonal level, and by manipulating these indicators we can control the plant in some areas.

There is too much emphasis put on "STRESS" causing hermies.
Cook them, burn them, snap them, starve them, poison them, do whatever you want to the plant and it won't hermie ... unless you significantly screw with the lighting schedule. Repeatedly interrupt the dark period (when flowering) with bright light and you will probably turn the plant hermie (if it is susceptable to such stress). Pretty much anything else won't bother them.

Grumpy old dreamer

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! this explains the hermies in the first grow back in 97, lol!!!!

edsweed said:

i am still looking for my real parents......

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not needed.

i made a thread about this in the general mj section.

Basically feminized seeds aren't more likely to go hermie than regular seeds.

reg seeds are made from: xx (female) and xy (male).

xx+xy = either xx or xy (regular seeds. male and female parents make male or female offspring)

when you have a fem seed its produced differently than just breeding male to female. to breed feminized seed both parents must be xx (female) because XX + XX = XX. everytime. theres many ways to do this but a popular way is CS (the silver spray method) in which a spray concocted of silver, electricity and water (basically) disrupt a certain hormone (i cant remember specifically which) that prevents female flowers from groing while stimulating the male parts (where the pollen is) from growing. (to make it simple)

this does NOT disturb the genetics.

when this is done you let it flower as usually. take it down at harvest. smoke the buds, save the seeds.

spraying one female and allowing it to produce seeds with/on itself would be S1 seeds which are basically clones in seed form as only 1 parent produced seeds.

spraying one female and allowing it to get another female preggo would be feminized F1 cross beans...(just like allowing one male plant to knock up a female plant of a different strain/variety would produce f1's)

cool cool! thanks for the info. this is good knowledge to have. since i plan on breeding within the next few years.

SCARHOLE said:

There is too much emphasis put on "STRESS" causing hermies.
Cook them, burn them, snap them, starve them, poison them, do whatever you want to the plant and it won't hermie ... unless you significantly screw with the lighting schedule. Repeatedly interrupt the dark period (when flowering) with bright light and you will probably turn the plant hermie (if it is susceptable to such stress). Pretty much anything else won't bother them.

Grumpy old dreamer

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That is not really all that accurate, other than how people call to many things plant stress when in a number of cases saying environmental conditions or growing conditions or just conditions would be more accurate since there is not always an actual plant stress involved. Another factor is genetics. Some genetics are just more stable than others and those that are will be less likely to succumb to less than ideal conditions and those that are not stable will not need all that much deviation from ideal conditions to react negatively.

A few years back I read a study where plants growing on an island were studied. All males were removed leaving only female plants. Roughly one third of the female plants on the windward side of the group of plants herimed, roughly half of the middle third of the female plants in the group hermied and none of the female plants on the leeward side of the group hermied. The final determination of the study was the non-pollinated female plants reached a point where there were hormone releases that depending on environmental conditions could cause hermaphrodites. All it took was the level of wind that struck the female plants, with of course those more exposed to the wind turning hermie in larger percentages than those that were more protected from the wind.

Cannabis plants have one and only one natural function, to make seeds to perpetuate the species. Female plants that are not fertilized will, through hormone releases, attempt to find a way to become fertilized. If conditions exist that will allow female plants to make use of the various hormone releases the result will be at least some hermies.

Fewer of the types of conditions that will allow a female plant to turn exist indoors so many people wrongly assume that only, or mainly, lighting fluctuations can or will cause hermie problems when there are actually any number of conditions/events that can cause female plants to turn, especially if their genetic makeup is such that it has hermie tendencies.

Whats more is any feminization process can bring out such tendencies or increase already existing tendencies. When you combine that with the large amount of unstable hermie-prone genetics some breeders push these days the result is hermies becoming more and more of a problem.

ok. i understand what that means. thank you again for you helpful insight. its knowledge like this that makes me want to push the envelope more and more. i debate going back to school. i see myself growing for the rest of my life. and the knowledge is only begging to pore in.

***QUICK QUESTION: OFF TOPIC***
one of my mother plants is started to show some major pre-flowers. i just installed mylar on my wall in which the mother plants sit. they were in the dark for about an hour the other day. the other 2 do not have the amount of preflowers as she does. she has been in veg for 14-15 weeks. at every node i see little white hairs. can she be going into flower all of a sudden?