What is YOUR "Golden" rule for a heavy healthy yield?

GreenHighlander

GreenHighlander

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Lucky Luke said:
Interesting that you and Rangi both saw approx 15% more improvement. 15% is a decent number. I'm in a cropping and dairy state and farmers here chase 1% if its viable. Tomato growers chase cents per plant.
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I have not personally seen a 15% difference in my own grow. I was introduced to indoor on flood and drain tables many years ago. Have never been a fan of how fast something can go wrong.
That has simply seemed to be the average I have seen others do including people I have known well personally. I have also seen it stated enough times online from people I trust , for all of that to add up to it probably being true. 15% is a big number increase for any business. I also was saying that as an average. Some may get more, some obviously less.
All that being said, again I still prefer non bottled soil grows for quality hands down.

Cheers :)
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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GreenHighlander said:
I have not personally seen a 15% difference in my own grow.
That has simply seemed to be the average I have seen others do including people I have known well personally. I have also seen it stated enough times online from people I trust , for all of that to add up to it probably being true. 15% is a big number increase for any business.

Cheers :)
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so we are back to square one.

I did a bit of digging last night and couldn't find any conclusive proof that Hydro yields more. Most forum talk about it descends into a shit fight and i couldn't find any scientific studies on it. In fact one study i quickly browsed said hydro couldn't out yield soil but i think that was referring to an out door situation. Like most people the biggest buds ive ever seen have been from outdoor monsters.
All agree that Hydro yields more over time but producing bigger buds or more yield over the same canopy area? Its conjecture id suggest and may not be as relevant as canopy and light.
A hydro tomato is not bigger than a soil grown tomato.

"Two other plant nutritionists, Dennis R. Hoagland and Daniel I. Arnon, at the University of California were asked to research Gericke's claims. The two wrote a classic 1938 agricultural bulletin, The Water Culture Method for Growing Plants Without Soil,[9] which made the claim that hydroponic crop yields were no better than crop yields with good-quality soils. Crop yields were ultimately limited by factors other than mineral nutrients, especially light. "
 
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GreenHighlander

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Lucky Luke said:
so we are back to square one.

I did a bit of digging last night and couldn't find any conclusive proof that Hydro yields more. Most forum talk about it descends into a shit fight and i couldn't find any scientific studies on it. In fact one study i quickly browsed said hydro couldn't out yield soil but i think that was referring to an out door situation. Like most people the biggest buds ive ever seen have been from outdoor monsters.
All agree that Hydro yields more over time but producing bigger buds or more yield over the same canopy area? Its conjecture id suggest and may not be as relevant as canopy and light.
A hydro tomato is not bigger than a soil grown tomato.
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I am talking in the same time frame. A hydro plant dial in will fill the canopy in a shorter time frame then a dial in soil plant. Obviously all that goes out the window if I can veg my soil plants longer. To the average person those days don't mean much. But to a cash cropper those days mean money. Especially over the span of a few years.
A hydro tomato of equal size is def produced in a faster time frame then in soil. It also tastes like water compared to an organic soil grown tomato .It also is not conjecture that hydro plants grow faster then one grown in soil. Not to mention it is also much more cost efficient, IE more plants fitting in the same space as soil.
How many people are doing large outdoor hydro plants? I don't ever recall seeing them. Imagine a 250 gal space for roots in a dwc for the summer. Good luck keeping that cooled lol

Anyway genetics is the golden rule :blsmoke:

Cheers :)
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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GreenHighlander said:
I am talking in the same time frame. A hydro plant dial in will fill the canopy in a shorter time frame then a dial in soil plant. Obviously all that goes out the window if I can veg my soil plants longer.
A hydro tomato of equal size is def produced in a faster time frame then in soil. It also is not conjecture that hydro plants grow faster then one grown in soil. Not to mention it is also much more cost efficient, IE more plants fitting in

Anyway genetics is the golden rule :blsmoke:

Cheers :)
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Exactly!

Just watched this and no mention of bigger crop- just speed.
 
Mollywhopper

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Lucky Luke said:
Usually is a better term than "it just does". Id suggest that it might usually yield more due to most hydro growers having more experience than most soil growers.

What % increase did you find going to hydro, what were ur avg numbers before and after.
Last i did any proper weighing and stuff in my set up i avg 2.75 ozzies a plant over different strains over a few harvests . Going from soil to soil-less didn't change the numbers for me.
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In 3 months each plant in my soil yielded avg 1lb my hydro avg 1.5lbs same nutes same room same lighting same clones from same plant. If pH is held perfectly in hydro it's going to do better than soil. Soil is always degrading making hotter and cooler spots of nutrients varying the uptake slightly. When watering in soil in most common mesh bags the outer edge roots do get slightly drier than the center when it dries outside in. With water density siting for anytime in the soil it is losing oxygen in hydro oxygen is optimum. You can't fluctuate soil on the spot you have to wait until your next water or risk oxygen deprivation or clawing leaves beneficial bacteria also gets washed out overwatering soil. I always had better quality in hydro with a more fruit like smell more purple qualities present themselves and larger top colas. Trich production looked exactly the same in both .
This is all just my personal opinion from my personal journey
 
Mollywhopper

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Lucky Luke said:
50% extra yield due to hydro alone? Amazing..
Or was it more to do with the plants being bigger and canopy area larger and denser due to the extra growth rate of the plant over the same veg period?
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I think the faster growth rate in veg is the cause for more yield. But to be honest both sets of plants were almost exact same height from staking at the end the hydro grew less water leaves and stretched more but produced less bud sites and seemed to focus mostly on its top colas. It's a weird strain though not many ppl have it around here and it grows like a swamp bush. It may depend on strain maybe some like a little dry and maybe some like to be drenched 24/7? Idk tho
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Mollywhopper said:
I think the faster growth rate in veg is the cause for more yield. But to be honest both sets of plants were almost exact same height from staking at the end the hydro grew less water leaves and stretched more but produced less bud sites and seemed to focus mostly on its top colas. It's a weird strain though not many ppl have it around here and it grows like a swamp bush. It may depend on strain maybe some like a little dry and maybe some like to be drenched 24/7? Idk tho
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So your saying that the canopy was the same size but the hydro produced 50% more?
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So your saying that due to the increased speed of hydro it created a larger canopy earlier and therefore created a 50% extra yield? (ie canopy sizes were not the same)
 
Mollywhopper

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Lucky Luke said:
So your saying that the canopy was the same size but the hydro produced 50% more?
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So your saying that due to the increased speed of hydro it created a larger canopy earlier and therefore created a 50% extra yield? (ie canopy sizes were not the same)
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Buds were slightly bigger in hydro was heavier too.canopy on the soil had more filler branches but smaller buds that as a whole didn't weigh quite as much as the hydro. I grow wierd I drop the lights real close without burnin and raise the temp in the room way up to 90 or so last 2 days to make them push resin seems to work and the bigger nugs seem to dense up better than small ones those last 2 days. Budsites started way bigger in hydro. soil seemed to be more focused on stem strength I think there's more effort put into stems in soil hydro absolutely had to have stakes soil was staked but probably could of held it's own. Soil leaves have more of a rigidity and resilience to bending hydro couldn't take to much bending it would just stay bent. Soil seemed healthier and more plant friendly but hydro was pumping out that beaten house wife better make my sandwich as big as you can stuff.
 
Lucky Luke

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Mollywhopper said:
Buds were slightly bigger in hydro was heavier too.canopy on the soil had more filler branches but smaller buds that as a whole didn't weigh quite as much as the hydro..
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"quiet as much"? u said 50% better. Thats a huge amount if the canopy space was the same. Like a huge amount. For eg if u had a wall to wall 4 x 4 canopy 2 foot thick u are saying hydro would add 50% extra weight..thats huge even fitting the extra weight into a maxed out area is hard let alone 50% more. Thats pretty impressive. Any pics?
 
greencropper

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i think hydro using coco with proper nutes will yield approx 30% more weight per bud size compared to soil grown, buds are much denser & compact in general with coco, not counting more resinous + stronger terpines, thats just imo after growing outdoors in soils/potting mix for +30yrs
 
Mollywhopper

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Lucky Luke said:
"quiet as much"? u said 50% better. Thats a huge amount if the canopy space was the same. Like a huge amount. For eg if u had a wall to wall 4 x 4 canopy 2 foot thick u are saying hydro would add 50% extra weight..thats huge even fitting the extra weight into a maxed out area is hard let alone 50% more. Thats pretty impressive. Any pics?
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No it was about 3 years ago I have a pic of one in soil same strain 2 weeks 1212 9 or 10 week plant
 

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Lucky Luke

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greencropper said:
i think hydro using coco with proper nutes will yield approx 30% more weight per bud size compared to soil grown, buds are much denser & compact in general with coco, not counting more resinous + stronger terpines, thats just imo after growing outdoors in soils/potting mix for +30yrs
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ok, so if Coco (Coco is a soil less medium not hydro) adds 30% over soil then hydro may add an additional 20%for the 50% total. Big numbers.
I just didn't see a 20% let alone a 30% increase in yield going from soil to soil less medium. My numbers have stayed pretty much the same, approx a pound in a 4 x 4 with not allot of training. If i wasnt so lazy id be tempted to go hydro for a 50% extra yield in the same space.
 
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greencropper

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Lucky Luke said:
ok, so if Coco (Coco is a soil less medium not hydro) adds 30% over soil then hydro may add an additional 20%for the 50% total. Big numbers.
I just didn't see a 20% let alone a 30% increase in yield going from soil to soil less medium. My numbers have stayed pretty much the same, approx a pound in a 4 x 4 with not allot of training. If i wasnt so lazy id be tempted to go hydro for a 50% extra yield in the same space.
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there you go again Lukey boy, shooting your mouth off on shit you do not even know about...see below
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im sure the reason you do not see any difference is because well, you're a shit grower too
 
Mollywhopper

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Lucky Luke said:
ok, so if Coco (Coco is a soil less medium not hydro) adds 30% over soil then hydro may add an additional 20%for the 50% total. Big numbers.
I just didn't see a 20% let alone a 30% increase in yield going from soil to soil less medium. My numbers have stayed pretty much the same, approx a pound in a 4 x 4 with not allot of training. If i wasnt so lazy id be tempted to go hydro for a 50% extra yield in the same space.
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You'll get 50 percent more or maybe more topping and staking with zipties the plant stops worrying about pushing energy to the stems and push that to the buds. and at least 15 gal pot even if you have a 2 foot grow space with staking I can get a 2ft tall 4ft wide plant. most people think stiff stems are "good" but to me that's a sign of drought stress.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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greencropper said:
there you go again Lukey boy, shooting your mouth off on shit you do not even know about...see below
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im sure the reason you do not see any difference is because well, you're a shit grower too
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we can all throw links, some even use a dictionary. Sure some people use soil less and call it hydro but the definition of Hydro is in its own name.
Off cause im a shit grower im way to lazy. Ive never said im anything special. Do get lucky with the odd plant though ;-). In fairness its an easy plant to grow.
.dictionary.com/browse/hydro-
Hydro- definition, a combining form meaning “water,” used in the formation of compound words: hydroplane; hydrogen.
https://www.dictionary.com › browse › hydroponics
Hydroponics definition, the cultivation of plants by placing the roots in liquid nutrient solutions.
Hydroponics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hydroponics
Hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, which is a method of growing plants without soil by instead using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.

But we all know we have soil, soil less and hydro. U can mix and match but Hydro is water. We have Hydro power here and its water driven. I just find it interesting that some are getting 30% increase from soil less and another 20% from hydro. Its big numbers, huge numbers....
No point u getting upset over it. Lifes to short. Sorry if I have offended you previously but the younger gen seem to get offended so easily and often and i dont know why most the time.. I get it with my kids to. I hope my grand daughters gen hardens back up.
 
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greencropper

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Lucky Luke said:
we can all throw links, some even use a dictionary. Sure some people use soil less and call it hydro but the definition of Hydro is in its own name.
Off cause im a shit grower im way to lazy. Ive never said im anything special. Do get lucky with the odd plant though ;-). In fairness its an easy plant to grow.
.dictionary.com/browse/hydro-
Hydro- definition, a combining form meaning “water,” used in the formation of compound words: hydroplane; hydrogen.
https://www.dictionary.com › browse › hydroponics
Hydroponics definition, the cultivation of plants by placing the roots in liquid nutrient solutions.
Hydroponics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hydroponics
Hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, which is a method of growing plants without soil by instead using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.

But we all know we have soil, soil less and hydro. U can mix and match but Hydro is water. We have Hydro power here and its water driven. I just find it interesting that some are getting 30% increase from soil less and another 20% from hydro. Its big numbers, huge numbers....
No point u getting upset over it. Lifes to short. Sorry if I have offended you previously but the younger gen seem to get offended so easily and often and i dont know why most the time.. I get it with my kids to. I hope my grand daughters gen hardens back up.
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dude, you talk shit big time, i remember when i first logged onto RIU 7-8yrs ago, i was excited to get involved in a lot of threads, i watched the Seed & Strain threads etc, then i spotted the Aussie Growers Thread with intention of contributing to that, but upon seeing you & some others talking the most braindead moronic rambling my heart sank a fathom, here was basically the premier site for weed growers worldwide...and here Australia/ns were represented by a number of seriously retarded dumbfucks, i was just to embarrassed to be seen on that thread, i know there are a lot of Aussies here who feel the same about that thread, i havnt looked back on that thread since then, maybe theres some people with half a brain there now? i dont know, i dont care...thanks for presenting Australians as a bunch of fucktards Lucky...you fucking asshole! btw i am approx a decade older than you
 
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