What Justifies a High price point for these Genetic Seed banks in the States

Beemo said:
there you go again... i thought this thread was suppose to be = Please post only knowledgeable and logic responses. It's an Inquiry not a beef or a rant
you know how big a plant needs to be to make 10,000 seeds?
now if i was to make some seeds. it better equal my cost or more as i would run flower, or making seeds just wont be worth my time.
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Huge plants produce 10,000 seeds. Seed yield isn't as great as people think really. You get a lot of duds too as pollination happens continually depending on how you're doing it, or some parts aren't pollinated at all (either way you hurt your yield).
 
Here's a handful of feminized seed I made from a purple kush plant that I back crossed to itself.
Like you said I got some duds , and this isn't all the seeds there was a lot more , plant was about 4 foot tall probably got about 1-2 thousand seeds at least.
 

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That wasn't even sprayed with cs. I just left the buds to over ripen. Rodelization.

I also used cs to make pollen from some others.

Its not that hard to do.

The whole they are unstable and prone to herm is a myth.
 
if you try to sell in Europe one regular seed for 20 $ it won't work. in that price you can buy a pack of fem seeds.
prices in USA are high cause ppl pay for it.
I guess there are many reasons why ppl paying for it in USA.
  • ppl in USA have more money compare to the average (200$ can be week pay at some places)
  • the method of findings this one special plant and then share it or breed it hardly exist in other places, so the genetics in USA are special in that way. if you check Europe seeds you don't see many of those genetics. (except DNA company its hard to find a American strains in Amsterdam)
  • i think in USA many grow as hobby now, and prices for that can be expensive. (i love fishing and if i want to buy myself new fishing reel for example i will look for the high price products. not cause it's better, just cause I want to buy myself something nice and "special")
  • cannabis in USA is not dominated by big companies. this not common to USA as usually big companies take over the market. i am not sure why it happening, but you can see many "boutique" breeders that need to sell in high price to cover the expenses
 
Once legal seeds will drop to the price of every other seed out there, ie $5 for a hundred. Not to mention breeding will improve as legit horticulturists join the field. No other seed producer would accept packs of seeds that produce 3 different looking plants like weed breeders do.
 
Because people are willing to pay that much for a seed. Im sure there are a huge number of factors involved but making them is nothing, Ive made over a 1000 female seeds with just two indoor mamas, "colloidal silver method". A lot of seed breeding if you want to call it that is pure profit, how do you think several breeders have white widow, northern lights, and other well known established strains. Did they start from scratch or just copy someone elses hard work?
 
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Krippled said:
I Agree that Rodelization is a proven and preferred method...
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Rodelization is a pain in the azz and time consuming, few sprays with colloidal silver has never let me down. I can think of a thousand reasons why rodelization sucks. For one you can pass down hermie trates with romelization but not with cs. With cs your not stressing the plant like you are with rodelization what you are doing is blocking a hormone that prevents it from forming female flowers. For example... if you grow out 10 female plants and a couple of them put out nanners via rodelization and then you breed with this pollen, you effectively just passed on the most hermie prone genetics of your parent stock and if you sell these seeds.. then you are a scumbag.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/a-guide-to-colloidal-silver.865536/
 
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OGEvilgenius said:
Huge plants produce 10,000 seeds. Seed yield isn't as great as people think really. You get a lot of duds too as pollination happens continually depending on how you're doing it, or some parts aren't pollinated at all (either way you hurt your yield).
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For an outdoor photoperiod plant 10,000 seeds would probably seem average if not below average. I can pull over 1-3 thousand fertile seeds with one indoor think different auto very easily. The smoke in my case was the same as the other unpollinated think differents. The seeds i made with those plants ended up being the same if not better than the parents. You are right in that it did effect yield with the mother i pollinated but i could careless since i made a lifetime of seeds. I ended up storing about 200 of them the rest went in the bird feeder.
 
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rshackleferd said:
For an outdoor photoperiod plant 10,000 seeds would probably seem average if not below average. I can pull over 1-3 thousand fertile seeds with one indoor think different auto very easily. The smoke in my case was just the same as the other unpollinated think differents. The seeds i made with those plants ended up being the same if not better than the parents. You are right in that it did effect yield but i could careless since i made a lifetime of seeds. I ended up storing about 200 of them the rest went in the bird feeder.
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My plan pretty much for my first grow.
 
after harvest ill leave some lower buds on there, about how long will that take and how do i know the seeds are ready to get it out of the flower area?
 
In Shape Vet said:
after harvest ill leave some lower buds on there, about how long will that take and how do i know the seeds are ready to get it out of the flower area?
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If you pollinated them correctly it would take anywhere from two to three weeks, longer the better. When the seeds start becoming mature they will start to poke out of the calyx and turn brown. The sure fire way to know they are done is when they start falling onto the ground. When that starts happening i harvest immediately. You will always end up with some immature seeds with your mature seeds, so no need to wait till they all fall out IMO.
 
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Well, not to be a dick, but I don't know anyone that has attempted to "backyard breed" or pollen chuck, that hasn't had the progeny of their chucks meet or exceed that of " elite" breeders that spent "years perfecting their strains", thus justifying their costs.

With the exception of my key lime cake, my reclining Buddha / jillybean cross aka chuck has outperformed all the other plants in my garden which were bred by these elite breeders.

Also, the argument that you can make x amount of dollars off the plants, therefore the price is justified is ridiculous. Hell, menards should charge a thousand dollars for a paintbrush then, as you could make ten thousand with that brush if you use it to get paid to paint houses with it.

Many also don't sell weed, but are patients on a limited budget / income that grow for their own personal use, or donate to others for free. It's okay though, nothing like preying on the sick, weak, vulnerable, and impovrished, like the guy said he loves capitalism. Fucking douche with thousand dollar seeds.
 
GranolaCornhola said:
Well, not to be a dick, but I don't know anyone that has attempted to "backyard breed" or pollen chuck, that hasn't had the progeny of their chucks meet or exceed that of " elite" breeders that spent "years perfecting their strains", thus justifying their costs.
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I have made plenty of seeds that meet and sometimes exceeded the original strain, especially when you get a hold of an unstable strain with many phenotypes. All the stable strains i have made seeds with always ended up the same or better than the parents.

https://www.rollitup.org/f/breeders-paradise.94/
 
rshackleferd said:
I have made plenty of seeds that meet and sometimes exceeded the original strain, especially when you get a hold of an unstable strain with many phenotypes. All the stable strains i have made seeds with always ended up the same or better than the parents.

https://www.rollitup.org/f/breeders-paradise.94/
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Perfect! Now all you have to do is wait outside the oncology department at your hospital of choice and sell these seeds for a grand a piece to cancer patients undergoing radiation therapy. You could call yourself an "elite breeder" with overhead to justify the exorbitantly excessive price.
 
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