What now California? What is in the wind for California?

Ernst

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We have to ask what happened to legalization efforts in California for 2012.

Indeed we saw several efforts form but none making it to the ballot.
So what will California do now with the Score 2-1 in National Legalization efforts?
It will be another at bat soon for our team.. Lets hit it out of the Park in California!



As always we have Tom Ammiano in our corner.

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Attempts to reform California's often confusing and always contentious medical marijuana industry have been put on hold until next year -- at the earliest.

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano on Monday withdrew from consideration Assembly Bill 2312, medical marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access announced. The bill would have created statewide rules and a Sacramento-level bureaucracy to regulate medical marijuana dispensaries. Cannabis dispensaries, like San Francisco's 22 licensed pot clubs, are currently overseen by local law, creating a patchwork of sometimes conflicting rules across the state.

The bill made history after winning approval in the Legislature, and was awaiting a hearing in the Senate. But marijuana opponents in the Legislature made some key changes to the bill -- and some marijuana advocates were vocal opponents. So Ammiano called the bill back, with an eye to reintroducing a better bill next legislative session.



A.B. 2312 began life as the successor measure to Proposition 19, 2010's failed marijuana legalization effort. After deciding they had no chance to make the fall ballot, initiative sponsors Americans for Safe Access and United Food and Commercial handed off reforming their industry to Ammiano, who two years ago introduced a marijuana legalization bill in Sacramento, which eventually made it to the ballot in the form of Prop. 19. Follow?

In addition to creating the first universal rules by which dispensaries from Crescent City to San Diego could abide -- and which, presumably, law enforcement could learn -- the bill would also have:

* Created a "Bureau of Medical Marijuana Enforcement," akin to an Alcoholic Beverage Control for pot;

* Required dispensary operators to secure a state license as well as any local licenses and permits;

* Allowed localities to tax local medical marijuana sales up to 2 percent;

* Set a standard of one medical cannabis dispensary allowed per 50,000 people;

* And allowed localities to ban dispensaries outright by a majority vote by the city council or board of supervisors.

That the bill was even called a vote on the floor of the Legislature was seen as a victory: ASA credits a last-minute organizing spree for saving the bill from legislative limbo.

But it was that last provision -- an unfriendly amendment inserted after a committee hearing -- that led ASA to withdraw its support, spokesman Kris Hermes said on Monday.

Currently, California counties and cities can enact bans: San Mateo County, San Leandro, and Danville all have bans, for instance.

"Sadly, there are more bans out there than cities with regulations" for medical marijuana dispensaries, Hermes said. But with ban language in A.B. 2312, "we were reticent to continue supporting it."

The bill also received some vocal opposition from medical cannabis activists and legalization advocates, some of whom feared a "corporate takeover" of the medical marijuana industry by collectives in cahoots with state regulators.

"A.B. 2312 favors large-scale, wealthy collective operators over the small collectives providing true community benefit," wrote LA-based activist Degé Coutee in a letter to the Senate committee tasked with considering the bill. "While statewide guidelines need to be codified, A.B. 2312 in its current form is a bureaucratic monstrosity that creates more problems than it solves."

Such opposition didn't have any sway on Ammiano's decision to pull the bill, according to Ammiano spokesman Curtis Nonsinneh.

"There's something in here for everyone, but nothing without it," he said Monday.

The bill will now go to a Senate committee for hearings in the fall before it goes back up for a vote in the 2013 legislative session.

"Of course we're happy that this issue will be vetted further and there will be an opportunity for further input from stakeholders," Notsinneh said.
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Source : http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/06/ammiano_medical_marijuana_bill.php
 

ltecato

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I live in L.A. I know up around the Bay area some of the dispensaries have started charging a tax for the stuff. I'm not sure where the money goes, but I think it's part of an effort to create some kind of self-governing framework and gain further legitimacy for Prop. 215 operations. OK, I admit I don't know sh*t about it, but that's my best guess. I'm too loaded to make sense.:joint:
 

Ernst

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Yeah there is an effort to make it restricted for the average person in California..

We Kicked Prop 19 to the curb because it sucked.

When the lead on Cannabis freedom is Taxes and Profits first it sucks Donkey.


On the ground in California we are fighting district by district now with the City Councils now banning outdoor growing!

The Stage is set for the legal frame work.. We need to expand Medical Rights and stop the Outdoor bans in California.

The War is never over on Drugs.
 

TWS

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We Californians need to be carefull we don't end up with an amendment like washingtons I 502.



NO CULTIVATION DERSERVES A NO VOTE !
 

a mongo frog

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It's already legal in California to smoke mj. Know one cares and no ones getting in trouble. if u toke and your not being a jerk about it out side, people and the law just look at it like walking your dog or shooting some hoops.
 

Ernst

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It's a ticket I think..

I have been told that a friend had a bag of maybe 1/2OZ and he got a ticket and the Officer gave him back his weed.

So it's rather close to legal except we cannot grow and i must stand pat too No Grow = A NO VOTE.
 

ltecato

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OK, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I thought it was legal for Prop. 215 patients and caregivers to grow enough for their own needs. I think I read that you're limited to four plants per patient. I guess that would mean that if you get caught with 100 plants you'd better be able to claim you're growing for 25 patients... or not.
 

gioua

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Here locally it has been decriminalized under an oz.. legal for MMJ users to use and grow if adhering to local CA laws.

did read they are attempting to lower the plants to only 2 per person.. which "law" I will break if it passes..
 

Ernst

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Well Medically you can do what you can defend in court. That is what prop 215 did.. Gave us a defence in court.
The Feds get involved in a big way at 99+ plants. That can include cuts you just stuck in water when the police arrived.

Legally I believe the punishment for possession of under an ounce is a ticket now and it's not something your employer can find out about easy like it was before.

Still growing without medical Defence is a possible felony with all the strings attached.. Child endangerment , weapons charges added on and such. So by the time it gets to court you might be happy with a year in county for just one plant but I think it can be a year in State prison for each plant. This is a point I am not sure about so I'm going off the top of my head.

So in my Mind California no grow = a No Vote. Who is going to honor a No Grow legalization in California anyway?
 

Ernst

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WASHINGTON -- California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) said Sunday the federal government should respect states' rights to decide how to regulate marijuana use, in light of votes Tuesday to approve legal use of the drug in Colorado and Washington.
"It's time for the Justice Department to recognize the sovereignty of the states," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."


VIDEO and full article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/jerry-brown-marijuana-laws_n_2113760.html
 

JasonW

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Well Medically you can do what you can defend in court. That is what prop 215 did.. Gave us a defence in court.
The Feds get involved in a big way at 99+ plants. That can include cuts you just stuck in water when the police arrived.

Legally I believe the punishment for possession of under an ounce is a ticket now and it's not something your employer can find out about easy like it was before.

Still growing without medical Defence is a possible felony with all the strings attached.. Child endangerment , weapons charges added on and such. So by the time it gets to court you might be happy with a year in county for just one plant but I think it can be a year in State prison for each plant. This is a point I am not sure about so I'm going off the top of my head.

So in my Mind California no grow = a No Vote. Who is going to honor a No Grow legalization in California anyway?
The feds will get involved whenever they feel like it, whether it be 1 plant or 99 plants. What they primarily look for are "large scale producers" who are producing mass quantities without the documentation to prove that said amounts are required. The reason being that this undocumented product is going somewhere - usually into the black market.

The 99+ plant thing is a myth. There's no language anywhere about this actually being the cut off. What's mentioned is that you have to prove why you're growing any amount over your personal allotments provided by state law and a judge can use their discretion to determine if you are are able to provide adequate care as a designated caregiver to X number of patients. So you can very well grow over 99 plants, as long as it's well documented and you are within the current legal structure to do so.
 

Ernst

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The feds will get involved whenever they feel like it, whether it be 1 plant or 99 plants. What they primarily look for are "large scale producers" who are producing mass quantities without the documentation to prove that said amounts are required. The reason being that this undocumented product is going somewhere - usually into the black market.

The 99+ plant thing is a myth. There's no language anywhere about this actually being the cut off. What's mentioned is that you have to prove why you're growing any amount over your personal allotments provided by state law and a judge can use their discretion to determine if you are are able to provide adequate care as a designated caregiver to X number of patients. So you can very well grow over 99 plants, as long as it's well documented and you are within the current legal structure to do so.

Oh good someone with experience.. Welcome!

99 sounds like a goodly amount for one person if they are cropping for others.


I have been following that 99 idea a long time.

Here is a NORML listing of the actual Federal punishments. http://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2


So Simple possession is a Year in Prison. Giving someone a joint is a Year in Prison.. Less that 50 plants is 5 Years in Prison. More than 50 but less that 100 plants 20 Years in Prison.

Talk about wasting the Tax payers monies!
Is a Joint worth $33,000 ??? That's what the value of locking up someone is to Society. No wonder we have budget problems.



The sentence of death can be carried out on a defendant who has been found guilty of manufacturing, importing or distributing a controlled substance if the act was committed as part of a continuing criminal enterprise – but only if the defendant is (1) the principal administrator, organizer, or leader of the enterprise or is one of several such principal administrators, organizers, or leaders, and (2) the quantity of the controlled substance is 60,000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marijuana, or 60,000 or more marijuana plants, or the if the enterprise received more than $20 million in gross receipts during any 12-month period of its existence.
 

theexpress

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everybody in all the med states should all at ine time start growing massive massive amounts of weed... millions of us.... they cant arrest us all.. theres not enough room....
 

Ernst

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I agree we need to remember the War is still going on!

Just because we get comfortable doesn't mean we are done.
 

Toorop

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I agree we need to remember the War is still going on!Just because we get comfortable doesn't mean we are done.
Very true. But I am guessing that the front-lines are not the same in California as they are in the Midwest or Texas or other states. I do believe that residents of California, Colorado, and the other states that are more tolerant have a better chance escaping the wrath of law enforcement than those of us not in those states. I think the best thing to do is to lobby nationally and make it a political issue at the forefront of politics like abortion or gay marriage. For some reason most people don't seem to give a shit about people smoking weed but when it comes to gay marriage they get up in arms. We need to inspire more passion about the issue.How does one do that?
 

Ernst

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Indeed.

On a related note I was watching the PBS newshour for Tuesday or Monday 20th or 21st and the very States we see as you mention also will not set up healthCare exchanges. I see a trend here.
Nothing related to improving poor people's lives you see.. My point is that great wind of change is blowing. Perhaps in a way we had a small Civil War in 2012 and the "North" won again.
I agree with you about the wrath of law enforcement. My Daughter who lives in Oklahoma wanted to have some seeds or weed from me. I told here I loved her more than placing her in danger. Then I said MOVE Girl!

Well, Gay and Weed.. boy what a political combination. Can the Old MidWest handle it? Are they ready to accept Cowboy was a Gay Profession to start with? Can they accept Man has been smoking weed for entertainment and enlightenment 10,000 year or more and it is they that are the aberration not the Cannabis people. Hell the USA isn't even 300 years old.
In this case it will be better as even my generation dies out.
 

OddBall1st

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WASHINGTON -- California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) said Sunday the federal government should respect states' rights to decide how to regulate marijuana use, in light of votes Tuesday to approve legal use of the drug in Colorado and Washington.
"It's time for the Justice Department to recognize the sovereignty of the states," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."


VIDEO and full article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/jerry-brown-marijuana-laws_n_2113760.html


What Jerry is not telling you is that those same respects come to play on a Federal level when they beg for more funds while disrespecting Federal law !!
 

Ernst

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What Jerry is not telling you is that those same respects come to play on a Federal level when they beg for more funds while disrespecting Federal law !!
It is the foundation of our Union; States rights. I'm interested in how it will wrangle along. Perhaps the Fiscal Cliff is distracting everyone?
I can't tell you much about how things play in political realms like that.

If nothing else drop the Schedule to 2 because we already have the UN accepting we use it for Medical.

However, Washington State now offers a nice Vacation Destination. If it improves their local economies I wonder if Obama will mess that up? I'd favor the odds that he wouoldn't.

Now Colorado.. Well that is a horse of a different color because they allow private growing. Hence manufactuiring rigts for everyone. Washington State Does not.

Is California wanting a Washington Style setup or Colorado type of setup?

I believe that California is divided between Grow and No. Those who want rights to grow want rights to farm and the No people are against it all so these two classes voted no in 2010. That included many "in the business" and many idealistic Californians who dream of big harvests of primo cannabis.

Those who want limits are against the large scale and probably voted yes in 2010.

One thing is for sure. This is not going back to complete prohibition short of martial law being imposed and the troops coming in.
 
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