What nutrients and supplements should i get?? (second grow)

Hi everyone so i just half finished my first grow ever , harvested my big bud and a week or two before my ak47, im only using 3 nutes for the whooole grow.. no supplements... so i think i can get thicker budzzz with supplements.. correct me if im wrong, anyway heres pics of my harvested big bud, my ak 47 and my nutes i used for my first grow, so what supplements should i get for my second grow?? ive seen bud candy and stuff lyk that... btw im using SOIL.

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btw. if anyone have pics of big bud or ak47 strain im glad to see ur resultss, ive oredered this seeds from marihuana NL, and just purchased super lemon haze (greenhouse) and blueberry (dutch passion) from attitude. "cant see my order on royal mail yet... its been 8 days now..."

Bud Candy from Advanced Nutrients, Are you trying to get supplments in the Botanicare line or just what ever is good? not sure what Brands your local shop has but try for KoolBloom from General hydroponics or Duece duece from Humbolt nutrients for densing , and Bud Blaster from Supernatural for frost, FloraLicous Plus from General hydro or Sugar Daddy from TechnaFlora for Sweetner

thx dudee anything that works its fine for me all u listed are for soil??

well your wanting other supplements i would suggest cal mag , humix for veg , fulvix for flower , supermaxB grozome or zenzyme to help break down nutrients for better up take , carbo boost , zinc and iron foilage

General Organics has a pretty good line-up of products. I recommend Bio Canna products as a base, but you could use GO for their BioRoot, and CaMg+ (if you use RO water). Technaflora Soluble Seaweed for K. I use Humboldt Natural Bloom for P. And mostly compost and alfalfa teas for N.

ok so what do u thing about this choice ive made... can change some stuff
rhizotonic - for healthy faster roots "since roots take nutes to plants i thing they play an important roll besides faster roots faster plants(clones)"
SUPER THRIVE - for all the cycle
purple maxx - getting blueberry so i think this can enhance my purps and trics
canna pk 13/14 - ive read that this with canna boost on early flowering can really help the plant"
canna boost
bud candy - im only reading good stuff about this... so im def getting this...

cal-mag i will add on dolomite so i dont thing i need much of this.

ps. would ANY ph meter with stack calibrate solution will work for me? im thinking about 20$ on this.
PPM is a MUST for u?? or it does work but iots supplementary not a MUST??

instead of getting the canna pk, get something like bud blaster, because you can use it as a pre-flower and then again at the end of flowering for oil and resin building, and get that swell you want!

My suggestion is too don't go crazy with the supplements. They can help for sure but people tend to make this booster cocktail and the end result is no greater than simply having a healthy plant and root system. Believe me, I have been there and tried it all. Now I simply use a PK booster in early flower and again in week 5. Case and point, everyone is tripping over themselves listing all these boosters and yet, your in soil and nobody suggested that you run beneficial mycorrhizal products.. Which BTW, will aid in nutrient absorption and plant health more than any other products combined.

Its not just what you throw in, it's about the CLIMATE!!!

My suggestion would be the following:
Add several handfuls of earth worm castings or GH ancient forest to your soil mix. Use ssome ancient forest and a little molassis to brew some tea and water with the tea every other watering.
Use a PK booster during week 2 and again at week 5. Big bud works very well, as does ginormous. Several people, including myself, have found that the chemical in a bottle crap (cha Ching, big bloom, etc) didn't do shit. Keep your temps under 80 throughout the whole flowering.

In the last two weeks, get the humidity as low as possible and also let the plants completely dry out between watering. Almost to the point of wilting. Moisture stress and low humidity will frost your buds up more than any other sprays or other marketing crap.

Other supplements that are just all aroun good include kelp extract and super thrive. Super thrive works best when the plants are young.

Ph and ppm meters are important. The more money you spend the longer they will last and the less calibrating they will need.

Keep a detailed journal!!!

Great white + cal-mag+floralicious plus+flora nova bloom+liquid koolbloom. I use rich soil and only use a bit of pro-tekt and dyna gro in veg. Outstanding results thus far.

Just as an FYI... There are WAY cheaper and more diverse myco products than great white. That said, ancient forest contains just as many, you just need to make a tea out of it to really get things to multiply... Or use it early in veg. What I am basically saying is you could add ancient forest and ditch the GW. Just a suggestion.

Kelp extract will give you all the calcium, mag, and micro nutrients you will ever need plus a good dose of hormones. Here is a good read on kelp...http://www.ghorganics.com/page33.html

Cant have too much myco i use a of/light warrior mix so there is already plenty in the soil. Gw provides a nice bio-diversity and j feed it with florablend . I have wanted to try ancient forest but my shop is always out

The ancient forest is good stuff. The darkest smelling buds I ever grew in soil had lots of ancient forest and ewc in it.

You can't have too much beni's but there is only soo much root space. Once you innoculate the soil and then top feed a couple times, your really just wasting money adding more. Forest ssoil is teaming with microbes and it's not like god is mixing GW in with the rain or anything. That directions to keep adding it are simply a great way to sell more.

my country doenst sell foxfarm... thats my problem but well ima try out mixing it with earth worm casting and some dolomite and use molasses as u said so ima also read that kelp link one question watering with molases and kelp is lyk watering with tap water only? or i have to apply lyk ever now and then, how much molasses per gallon u use? sorry if i ask 2many questionss ad im def getting ppm and ph now.. i think i have a problem over there... + really this grow i didint use any perlite and dolomite.. only soil+organic soil that was it.. i havent found perlite around here but some bigger version of perlite i think it make work too one question about kelp can it be in soil or u say as a liquid u have to mix with water

To some extent watering with kelp and molassis is like watering with tap water... but not really. They mixture will not contain the macro nutrients your looking for NPK but it will contain LOTS of micro nutrients and hormones, etc. How much molassis? I dunno... teaspoon per gallon? Molasis is absolutely useless unless you are running beneficials. All it really does is give the microbes a little sugar boost. It doesn't make fatter buds or make them sweeter..that is just old hippie BS..like pounding nails into the stems.

I think the best way to use the kelp and molassis is to brew a tea with it, then just due one good watering a week or two with it. The beauty of soil growing is that you can foster such a diverse set of benis in the soil that they will naturally help your plants remain healthy and help fend off micro nutrient deficiencies. If my plants ever start lo look a little funky, I foliar feed with kelp.

The last benefit of watering with just the tea is you give the plants a little break from constantly flooding them with food. Which is a total begginer mistake, but despite everyones advice, it happens again and again and again and again. Plants are not like americans, they only eat what they need.... despite how much food you put in front of them. The problem is that as you increase the salinity and of your soil it MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO EAT!! THAT is what casues the burnt tips...

ok im getting u , is it necessary a water pump to make some tea? how would i make it, just mixing the kelp and molassis in water? the nutes i mentioned before are for specific times on the plant, here i make an example of what i have in mind.

my soil
top soil 60%
perlite 15-%20% "its a lil bigger than perlite..."
guano pelican 5% or less
humus 15%-20%

i veg for 1 to 2 months and i usually water 1 - 2 times per week thats what my enviroment allow me.. but maybe it was coz of my crappy soil...
week 1 water / water+rhizotonic "if it needs again" if not tap water
week 2 water + rhizotonic / water + nutes "not to strong yet"
week 3 tap water / kelp extract only if "molasses wont work atm right?"
week 4 kelp extract / water + nutes
if i switch atm to flowering
week 5 canna pk+canna boost / water+canna boost
week 6 tap water / water+cana boost
week 7 kelp+molasses / kelp + molasses
week 8 tap water / tap water
week 9 bud candy+big bud / bud candy+big bud
week 10 kelp / kelp
week 11 molasses / flush
week 12 drying / drying
week 13 if it needs more time i prob tap water or some water + molasses

for blueberry i will have purple maxx to enhance some purple so i will play with that. also i will be using SUPERTHRIVE i heard it really helps, is it ok to mix that with kelp?? ive heard is ok to mix it with my reg nutes. also if tap water can be changed for kelp with no problems i will water with kelp everytime, ofc this is very subject to changes.. one never knows what will happend...

ps. when is the right time to feed big bud... and how many times a week u usually water ur plants?

tripboufe said:

i veg for 1 to 2 months and i usually water 1 - 2 times per week thats what my enviroment allow me.. but maybe it was coz of my crappy soil...
week 1 water / water+rhizotonic "if it needs again" if not tap water
week 2 water + rhizotonic / water + nutes "not to strong yet"
week 3 tap water / kelp extract only if "molasses wont work atm right?"
week 4 kelp extract / water + nutes
if i switch atm to flowering
week 5 canna pk+canna boost / water+canna boost
week 6 tap water / water+cana boost
week 7 kelp+molasses / kelp + molasses
week 8 tap water / tap water
week 9 bud candy+big bud / bud candy+big bud
week 10 kelp / kelp
week 11 molasses / flush
week 12 drying / drying
week 13 if it needs more time i prob tap water or some water + molasses

ps. when is the right time to feed big bud... and how many times a week u usually water ur plants?

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That is ridiculous. Get a few books on indoor plant culture and learn what makes a plant tick. Guarantee it's not snake oils that will actually work against you.

believe it or not he is trying to help, thats just his way.

well.. it would be nice to get some specific tips... doesnt harm.. i noe week1 feeding is to early.. but i call week 1 when i see some leaves on my "plant" and i can actually call it a plant... not just a leave, besides soil in my country really SUCKS big time.. so i dont place high hopes on its natural feeding from soils.. and i will just use.. grow+bloom organic suplementes thrive+molasses+kelp early to promote rooting rhizotonic, then at week 1 flowering canna pk+boost.. and then big bud+bud candy.. was gonna apply bud candy but ive heard in combo works well.. i can see thers a lot of feeding on my chart but this might change if i see some nuteburn...

tripboufe said:

well.. it would be nice to get some specific tips... doesnt harm.. i noe week1 feeding is to early.. but i call week 1 when i see some leaves on my "plant" and i can actually call it a plant... not just a leave, besides soil in my country really SUCKS big time.. so i dont place high hopes on its natural feeding from soils.. and i will just use.. grow+bloom organic suplementes thrive+molasses+kelp early to promote rooting rhizotonic, then at week 1 flowering canna pk+boost.. and then big bud+bud candy.. was gonna apply bud candy but ive heard in combo works well.. i can see thers a lot of feeding on my chart but this might change if i see some nuteburn...

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maybe try doing a coco grow for your next run, it's easy. i use 3 products from start to finish and my plants seem pretty happy.

ghb said:

maybe try doing a coco grow for your next run, it's easy. i use 3 products from start to finish and my plants seem pretty happy.

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What three products do you use, and how much? What ph are you using for coco?