what percentage of obamacare do you support?

on a scale from 0% to 100%, how much of the PPACA are you in favor of?


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ginwilly

Well-Known Member
You proud of cash for clunkers? Besides killing the cheap used car market by destroying vehicles, it cost over 17K for each 4k "incentive" that was given. There were also no strings attached as far as US interests. In other words....

With the cash for clunkers program, a Canadian could cross the border to buy a vehicle made in Japan, receive a check for 4k, that cost the American tax payers 17k.

Success from a left-eye view!!
 

ASMALLVOICE

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The original concept is ok. How ever, the final product is grossly unrefined and really has not been thought through to the extent that it should have.

I feel the healthcare system as a whole is failing, and the saddest part is, it is failing the ones who need it the most. I have been blessed with good health and have not needed it much at all. There are many who truly need it and are in that proverbial " rock and a hard place" of having to pay out more than they can actually afford, but are forced to do so.

I see no chance of it getting better until some morals, ethics and good ol' common sense is brought into the equation and we all know that that will happen the day after never.

Peace

Asmallvoice
 

ginwilly

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Serious question;

If I have a 6k deductible, can I make daily trips to the ER until I hit that deductible? Because of EMTALA, the ER can't turn me away and has to see me, so... Just wondering
 

ginwilly

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I really was hoping for an answer to my last post because when I asked at our admin meeting, nobody seemed to know. The hospital CEO, CFO, COO and CNO all seem to think there is nothing that can stop people from doing this but they are not sure.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Serious question;

If I have a 6k deductible, can I make daily trips to the ER until I hit that deductible? Because of EMTALA, the ER can't turn me away and has to see me, so... Just wondering
I really was hoping for an answer to my last post because when I asked at our admin meeting, nobody seemed to know. The hospital CEO, CFO, COO and CNO all seem to think there is nothing that can stop people from doing this but they are not sure.
Obamacare won't pay the hospital if you go to the same ER more than once a month.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Obamacare won't pay the hospital if you go to the same ER more than once a month.
I honestly had not heard this. I'll have to look this up and make sure that part hasn't changed too.

Easy game still, you go to the ER and c/o chest pain, 2 visits max should handle that deductible. Make sure you call for a ride too.
 

Canna Sylvan

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I honestly had not heard this. I'll have to look this up and make sure that part hasn't changed too.

Easy game still, you go to the ER and c/o chest pain, 2 visits max should handle that deductible. Make sure you call for a ride too.
Then you have a $6k flag on your credit report when you ignore the bill in the mail?
 

ginwilly

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Then you have a $6k flag on your credit report when you ignore the bill in the mail?
nope, the beauty of gov interference in health care is I get to set up 20 buck a month payments to the hospital and you are not allowed to turn me into a collection agency. I just have to make a good faith effort every month and the hospital can't do squat. Don't get behind on those payments though. It's a great law, it means I can go to the ER for any damn reason I please, force them to treat me and I can pay them whatever, as long as I do it regularly. I've seen 5 dollar a month payments.

These rules and regulations have been coming pretty regularly the last 20 years. I don't understand why costs keep climbing despite the governments best efforts? It's just not believable. We need the government to fix this with more rules and regulations.
 

UncleBuck

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nope, the beauty of gov interference in health care is I get to set up 20 buck a month payments to the hospital and you are not allowed to turn me into a collection agency. I just have to make a good faith effort every month and the hospital can't do squat. Don't get behind on those payments though. It's a great law, it means I can go to the ER for any damn reason I please, force them to treat me and I can pay them whatever, as long as I do it regularly. I've seen 5 dollar a month payments.

These rules and regulations have been coming pretty regularly the last 20 years. I don't understand why costs keep climbing despite the governments best efforts? It's just not believable. We need the government to fix this with more rules and regulations.
why do you think that government is incapable when the rest of the world proves the exact opposite?

why are latvia and estonia great comparisons to prove that austerity works, but germany and japan are not good for comparisons that socialized medicine works?

i know you've cited latvia and estonia before, too. so don't try to duck out of that one! (<---sorry for the unnecessary exclamation point, i am adopting beenthere's style for maximum annoyance).
 

Canna Sylvan

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why do you think that government is incapable when the rest of the world proves the exact opposite?

why are latvia and estonia great comparisons to prove that austerity works, but germany and japan are not good for comparisons that socialized medicine works?

i know you've cited latvia and estonia before, too. so don't try to duck out of that one! (<---sorry for the unnecessary exclamation point, i am adopting beenthere's style for maximum annoyance).
Unless you go full retard, utopian communisnm, austerity is what enables big business to take advantage (crowding out) at the expense of small business to buy vile Republicans who can't afford to pay bribes and protection money.
 

ginwilly

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why do you think that government is incapable when the rest of the world proves the exact opposite?

why are latvia and estonia great comparisons to prove that austerity works, but germany and japan are not good for comparisons that socialized medicine works?

i know you've cited latvia and estonia before, too. so don't try to duck out of that one! (<---sorry for the unnecessary exclamation point, i am adopting beenthere's style for maximum annoyance).
Dude, our government health care is so far from what you are comparing us to. The American PEOPLE are different from what you are comparing. In Japan, people spend 90% of their health care costs on preventative medicine and 10% on care. We are the exact opposite. Japanese are not raised on processed foods loaded with high fructose corn syrup that helps cause our obesity problem. The Japanese and German cultures feel shame for living off of others efforts. We encourage it.

As far as our system compared to their's, they also don't have reimbursement based on whether or not you checked the hispanic/non-hispanic box on the EMR. They don't reimburse based off of whether or not you asked how your sister died. They don't require you see a doc to get a script you've been getting for years. They don't require you can ONLY use drugs approved by a panel made up of drug executives. We can't buy a pill made in Canada because they are unsafe, we must use a pill made by an American company... made in Malaysia.

CBO projections are already 3X the original costs and that's with what they have in front of them still. An assumption that 100% of student loans will be paid back, 100% of eligible participants sign up, and 100% of those signed up actually pay their deductible instead of racking up hospital bills first and not paying them. It will go even higher. Our system is not well thought out. It's piece mealed as we go. EMTALA allows abuse of O'care while HIPAA will not allow O'care to work efficiently. Stark Laws prevent people from paying doctors with trade like they used to do. There's more, but by now you have tuned out anyway.

I remember mentioning how well the baltic nations improved after austerity compared to us. I also remember showing the study of how the world's countries have emerged since 2008 and how countries handled stimulus. The findings were their recoveries were inversely proportional to the amount per GDP the stimulus was. I remember your argument being that those countries are much smaller than us and it's not a fair comparison (yet their universal healthcare was).

We are in the slowest recovery on record and have basically 0 interest and are digitizing 85B a month. Since you are a Keynesian/aggregate demand guy, look up what he describes as a liquidity trap and convince me we are not there. The Baltic countries did the opposite of what we did are experiencing 8% or more GDP growth. I hate to be results oriented, but the results keep staring back at me going "look".
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
fuck obamacare ....im paying $120 a month right now for really good coverage for 2 people...with obam its $350 a month with the first $5000 a year coming out on my pocket...and then I have to find a new doctor cause my regular doctor wont except this new BS...my brother said fuck insurance its cheaper to be fined...The Feds wanna fine the people $800 a year for no insurance...provide us basic health insurance that only costs $800 a year how about that
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Tell him not to pay his fines. Can you imagine the PR damage if they start locking up otherwise innocent people for not paying for something they are forced to buy? It's not going to happen.

We can't be dropped or refused for pre-existing conditions, just wait until he needs care, then he will get signed up by the provider so they can get paid. I wouldn't do anything until then in his position.
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
We can't be dropped or refused for pre-existing conditions, just wait until he needs care, then he will get signed up by the provider so they can get paid. I wouldn't do anything until then in his position.
This is true they cant refuse you... but ask how much extra they will charge you for a pre-existing condition like a heart problem or ??? rates go up alot
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
This is true they cant refuse you... but ask how much extra they will charge you for a pre-existing condition like a heart problem or ??? rates go up alot
Yep, just another incentive to wait until you need it before you pay anything for it.

If you mean, what if you develop a heart problem while you are uninsured? then yes, it will be cheaper to pay now. It's insurance, insurance is gambling. You gamble you need it, they gamble you don't need it. If you fear a heart problem then it's best to gamble you WILL need it.
 

Orenshii

New Member
I dont even know why its called obama care.

I mean if you started drawing a picture and every other person who walked by started changing your picture,
would it still be your picture? This is what happend to his plan. Before we even got to see it was edited, changed etc. by the time we saw the plan it was
allready beaten to death by every other congress member.

Honestly the way they are trying to make obama look bad, is pure political spin. I'm not even a fan of him.

"Hey to make us look better for next election, lets take his plan fudge it to all hell then point our fingers at him!, I mean the amercian ppl are stupid enough
to fall for our double talk, they have been for over 40 years now"


Oren
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Then you have a $6k flag on your credit report when you ignore the bill in the mail?
Are you sure? Right now, there is no collection....there are threats, but no credit report action....I should know.

Are you saying that has changed?
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
my son has had insurance through his work paying $160 a month for medical dental and eye...thanks to Obama shit ..he will have to pay $200 more a month it will be $360 almost $4000 a year that's nuts...there should be caps on what doctors and hospitals can charge people.... for a 45 min procedure angioplasty cost $50,000...certain anti snake venom cost $75,000 a shot
 
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