What Seems to be the Matter with My Trees?

lvl i k e y

lvl i k e y

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BB seedlings (2 weeks)
4, 4ft t5s 6500K aprox 5-6 inches above plant.
Temp stays between 85-90 degrees
Root Organics soil

I fed the seedling every day with 1 cup water. The soil was almost completely dry at the end of each day? I noticed about a week ago they were starting to curl under and yellow so I started to use Humboldt Oneness base part for veg. every other water. My second plant seems to be blasting off right now and this one is...shy at the moment. What could be the problem with it?




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max316420

max316420

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lonewolflife said:
Make sure your water PH is 5.8-6.0
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WRONG!!! make sure your water is around 6.5 and you might wanna lay off the food for a bit cause you might be getting a little nute burn. Try flushing your pots then lightly feeding them and make sure your soil dries out between waterings. Your soil might have a lockup in it and that's why you wanna flush. won't hurt the plant and usually fix's the problem. With ph that low you will end up locking nutrients out
 
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reggae234

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yup yup 6.5 is right on, also u wanna keep in the 78-83 degree range if possible. And just so ya know fluorescent lights lose about 50 percent of their lumens by 4-5 in away, if i were you i would try to keep those puppies at 1.5-2 in. Grow on!
 
lvl i k e y

lvl i k e y

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Cant seem to drop the heat the past couple days. the plant seems to be doing a LITTLE better but im going to flush the pot completely tonight and tomorrow get a PH tester...
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Hey dude i use the 4 way two foot T5 lightwave unit and 1.5 to 2 inches is too close for sure, even at 15cm/5 inches the plants grow fast and strong, 1.5 inches is too close and too hot, they do give off a lot of heat from the bulbs so in a confined space use ventilation. Your plants look real bad, more like baby letucce i have grown in the past, nute burn severly and nute lock out on the new growth. In soil you don't want to really fertilize for the first few week and if you repot from small pots to bigger pots maybe even never in the veg stage. Try not using fertilizer for the veg stage and rely on your soil for the nutes for the first four weeks or so, start with a pot a few inches across and repot up when you see the roots poke out the holes in the bottom of the cup. Also wet the entire soil in the pot not just a small watering each day, pot size is important and if the roots are spread throughout the pot it should need watering every 5 days to a week not every day, wet and dry periods are important. Looks like you are going about this the wrong way and you need to get the basic principals right first.
Good soil dosen't need ferts for few weeks of strong fast growth, water the soil enough so that it will be dry in a few days not everyday, and less heat, those t5's are beasts, don't think they aren't as good as metal hallide/mH for the first ten inches of vegetative growth and they don't need to be too close, i have a small pc fan under mine inbetween the lights and the tops of my plants to blow of heat and circulate fresh air, the t5 unit and ballasts dont get very hot but the bulbs do and give of a fair amount of heat, very different to a t8 flourescent which can get to within a few inches of the leaves. Id kill this plant off and start a new one but it can be saved over time but a lot of time, maybe good practice to try and make this plant thrive and grow strong in soil.
 
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dan2581

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lvl i k e y said:
BB seedlings (2 weeks)
4, 4ft t5s 6500K aprox 5-6 inches above plant.
Temp stays between 85-90 degrees
Root Organics soil

I fed the seedling every day with 1 cup water. The soil was almost completely dry at the end of each day? I noticed about a week ago they were starting to curl under and yellow so I started to use Humboldt Oneness base part for veg. every other water. My second plant seems to be blasting off right now and this one is...shy at the moment. What could be the problem with it?
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1 cup a day is too much for a seedling. The top of the soil might look dry, but thats because its so damn hot all of your water is evaporating.

lonewolflife said:
Make sure your water PH is 5.8-6.0
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No, 6.5 should be the lowest you go, 6.7 personally works better for me.

lvl i k e y said:
Hmm...Wouldnt my other plant be looking the same since its getting its water from the same source?
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Probably because the soil wasn't mixed thoroughly enough. There's probably a fat chunk of nutrient source right where that thing popped roots. I used to use roots organics as a base soil mix and it was NOT that hot.

lvl i k e y said:
Cant seem to drop the heat the past couple days. the plant seems to be doing a LITTLE better but im going to flush the pot completely tonight and tomorrow get a PH tester...
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Your plants aren't going to do so hot until you get that heat down. Or add a fuckload of CO2 to compensate for the heat.

Also don't flush your pot. Flushing is more forum myth than effective. Does it work? Does it have its application? Yes. Is it effective as much as everyone claims it to be? No. Basically your stressing the shit out of the root system, flooding it, and starving it of oxygen. Your plants already doing horrible, your best bet is to throw it out, but I can already sense your reluctant to do that. In that case, buy a new (smaller) pot and transplant it. You should see it recover and have healthy new growth in a week.
 
max316420

max316420

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Dude I completely disagree with you about the flushing and there is no way in hell your gonna tell me any different!! I HAVE SEEN WHAT FLUSHING DOES WITH MY OWN 2 EYES!! What planet are you living on where you don't flush?? When a plant doesnt't use the food you have supplied it, it starts to build up in your soil until there is either too much in your soil and it eventually burns the shit outta your plant or there is so much in the soil that it causes a complete nutrient lockout... I agree with most of what he is stating but not with the flushing... Flush that bitch like a toilet you just took a shit in.. If you don't flush you might get lucky and she might live but most likely it will eventually die of nutrient toxicity and or salt buildup. Also please give me your theory on how co2 can compensate for heat? Don't take this as me being an asshole but I feel your giving some bad advice.
 
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krok

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max316420 said:
Dude I completely disagree with you about the flushing and there is no way in hell your gonna tell me any different!! I HAVE SEEN WHAT FLUSHING DOES WITH MY OWN 2 EYES!! What planet are you living on where you don't flush?? When a plant doesnt't use the food you have supplied it, it starts to build up in your soil until there is either too much in your soil and it eventually burns the shit outta your plant or there is so much in the soil that it causes a complete nutrient lockout... I agree with most of what he is stating but not with the flushing... Flush that bitch like a toilet you just took a shit in.. If you don't flush you might get lucky and she might live but most likely it will eventually die of nutrient toxicity and or salt buildup. Also please give me your theory on how co2 can compensate for heat? Don't take this as me being an asshole but I feel your giving some bad advice.
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Maybe he lives on my planet, where I water enough each time to run-off the buildup of salts.
I've never flushed - not even on harvest time, 3 organic grows with no problems.

I'm sure that flushing has it uses, but I've never needed it.

edit: I'm not saying this dude doesn't need a flush, I'm just reacting to your tone.
 
puffntuff

puffntuff

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The heat is causing alot of the prob. You have a multitude of probs here. You need to get that heat in check. Proper ventilation us key. Also you need fresh air. You need to go easy on the nutes. I don't know what type of soil your using but I don't add nutes for around a month in a 1/2 gal of my soil. Do some more research and go slow young grasshopper.
I saw it roots organic.
 
max316420

max316420

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krok said:
Maybe he lives on my planet, where I water enough each time to run-off the buildup of salts.
I've never flushed - not even on harvest time, 3 organic grows with no problems.

I'm sure that flushing has it uses, but I've never needed it.

edit: I'm not saying this dude doesn't need a flush, I'm just reacting to your tone.[/QUOTEy



ya ur right that did kinda make me sound like an asshole my apologies.. But your telling me that if you have mother plants that they will never have to be flushed. I have had the same moms for years and i'm tellin you right now that if they didn't get a flush every once and a while that they woulda been dead a long time ago
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lvl i k e y

lvl i k e y

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Stuck a small fan in there and dropped temp to 80 degrees, I flushed her last night "like a toilet lol". I could see a difference already this morning. Im going to give it a couple more days and see how that helps and I have stopped with the nutes. Why would I start over? Thats ridiculous. I'll get her through it..:blsmoke:
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Well done for saving it, will be nice to see it pull through and the new growth, any more pics yet?
 
max316420

max316420

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but NOOOOO don't flush cause that wont help....What would happen to you if you didn't take a shit??? I'm glad you took my advice and flushed. good luck dude and remember WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS.. FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH
 
lonewolflife

lonewolflife

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Anyways Ikey did you get the tester and are things starting to shape up. And max didnt tell ya but 7.0 is neutral plants need a little acidy more so than 6.5 (i have seen people with some strains go all the way to 5.2) to allow nutes to get into the root pores read a book called the fertile triangle and it will explain a lot about how to get giant grows. But that wrinkle thing happens to one of my plants but the roots have grown out the tube into the tank right next to the adding port so it does that in spots here and there.
 
lonewolflife

lonewolflife

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An flushing works but remember you can flush flush flush your plant into root molds so let it dry a little before ya drown it to bad
 
max316420

max316420

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lonewolflife said:
anyways ikey did you get the tester and are things starting to shape up. And max didnt tell ya but 7.0 is neutral plants need a little acidy more so than 6.5 (i have seen people with some strains go all the way to 5.2) to allow nutes to get into the root pores read a book called the fertile triangle and it will explain a lot about how to get giant grows. But that wrinkle thing happens to one of my plants but the roots have grown out the tube into the tank right next to the adding port so it does that in spots here and there.
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are you for real????
 
lvl i k e y

lvl i k e y

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Here's an update on how she's doing. I LST'd a week after the plant recovered and really started to thrive. I got a PH tester and my PH was at 6.0 after letting my water bubble over for about 24 hours. A week ago she started to yellow so I started The feeding schedule for the humboldt nutes. After i started adding the nutes to the water my PH tester started to read 7+ but after 2 days the ph went back down to 6.5. Take a look....









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