what the best Haze??

OGEvilgenius said:

Super Lemon is excellent as well. IMO though the high lemon type plants tend to be slightly more sedative for myself... maybe just me.

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Limonene, I don't think it is just you. It works for me too.
http://theleafonline.com/c/science/2014/09/terpene-profile-limonene/

I've burned the super lemon haze, but never grown it, and the one I'm familiar with is also from Greenhouse, I'm so confuse now. Should I avoid them, are they provable douchebags? I'd love to find a citrus heavy Haze that doesn't stretch like some of the yield reports I see on here. I will keep learning, I'm just surprised how much consternation exists in the breeder world, or maybe not, there's a lot of money at play. Running a lot of seeds seems to be the answer, but I am forced to grow indoor, so I'm limited significantly. Thanks all.

skunkd0c said:

nevs haze being 75% sat is easy a good 14-16 weeks , finding a 10 week pheno would defeat the purpose imo, might as well grow SSH

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ummmm no . i got ALOT of complements from the 10 weeker the fluffy ass 16-18 weekers are a hard sell . the nl5 bud traits and low flower time is not as ressive as folks say IMO. but the flavor IS , that haze flavor is always on top . the nev haze pollen makes GREAT hybrids , amazing haze "room ' to them when smoking a joint . even sour d crossed to nev haze hase that hazey smell to the room as you smoke a joint , kinda like a pine tree burning down ...
Super silver is not UP enough for me ,i have run mostly cuts though, kinda like most skunk haze crosses for some reason ...

Joedank said:

ummmm no . i got ALOT of complements from the 10 weeker the fluffy ass 16-18 weekers are a hard sell . the nl5 bud traits and low flower time is not as ressive as folks say IMO. but the flavor IS , that haze flavor is always on top . the nev haze pollen makes GREAT hybrids , amazing haze "room ' to them when smoking a joint . even sour d crossed to nev haze hase that hazey smell to the room as you smoke a joint , kinda like a pine tree burning down ...
Super silver is not UP enough for me ,i have run mostly cuts though, kinda like most skunk haze crosses for some reason ...

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i never suggested your plant is not nice or good quality because its only 10 weeks, although that seems to be how you have interpreted my post
i am saying that it is not what that cross was intended to be, it may be hard for others to find a similar pheno that finishes in 10 weeks

normally when someone would grow NH they would want to find a long flowering sativa, that's usually the point of growing it or you would grow one of the many other haze hybrids that finish in 8-10 weeks with most of the phenotypes

skunkd0c said:

i never suggested your plant is not nice or good quality because its only 10 weeks, although that seems to be how you have interpreted my post
i am saying that it is not what that cross was intended to be, it may be hard for others to find a similar pheno that finishes in 10 weeks

normally when someone would grow NH they would want to find a long flowering sativa, that's usually the point of growing it or you would grow one of the many other haze hybrids that finish in 8-10 weeks with most of the phenotypes

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wow really? i purchased my 20 seeds with the expess purpose of finding a male and female that flowered in a resonable amt of time for high country greenhouse growing . i also avoided tom hills and others as the flowering time is too long for my purposes .i have not grown it indoors since the first run with it ,so i dont know how long it would take without a diminishing photoperiod... i have also found it great breeding material as i mentioned earlier the resin content is beyond compare , but crossed with critical haze (another great one ) with nev as the male , MAN are the buds HUGE (see avatar) and dripping with resin . finished nov 11th in the grennhouse with 4X streatch...lol @cbtbudz is growing them and some other haze crosses i did .. hope they are killing it

Joedank said:

wow really? i purchased my 20 seeds with the expess purpose of finding a male and female that flowered in a resonable amt of time for high country greenhouse growing . i also avoided tom hills and others as the flowering time is too long for my purposes .i have not grown it indoors since the first run with it ,so i dont know how long it would take without a diminishing photoperiod... i have also found it great breeding material as i mentioned earlier the resin content is beyond compare , but crossed with critical haze (another great one ) with nev as the male , MAN are the buds HUGE (see avatar) and dripping with resin . finished nov 11th in the grennhouse with 4X streatch...lol @cbtbudz is growing them and some other haze crosses i did .. hope they are killing it

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You bought a 14-20 week strain to find a 10 week finisher when there are a multitude of haze crosses that finish in 8-10 weeks
while this may be logical to you and your unique situation, i would not suggest other people who are looking for 10 week haze hybrids grow NH makes little sense

you could of bought 20 seeds of a 10 week haze hybrid and had many more 10 week phenos to select from

peace

mr nice description of nev haze says nothing about 14-20 weeks :
A tribute to the father of all modern seed companies, Neville Schoenmakers. There is something very special about this 3/4 sativa that those in the know will recognize once they smell the end product. It can be difficult to know what to base your selective reasoning on, but the plants that go longer than 16 weeks indoor will really not be of value in the end to indoor cultivators. A tip for those who do find a long flowering plant they wish to keep...clones usually finish 2-3 weeks quicker than the seed mother plant and therefore will give the grower a possibility to finish something that normally needs the tropics to grow in. The full flavor is sativa all the way so for you Indica lovers this plant will not be for you! It was made by combining a pure Haze to a NL5/Haze, thus creating probably one of the most influential plants of our time, certainly for flavor, aroma and effect. It is a must if you are within 10' of the equator for outdoor cultivation, but indoor would be recommended in other regions.All seed companies owe the ground work and origin of modern cultivars to Nevil . Like the man himself...the legend grows!""
i said resonable amt of time 13 weeks was fine and pretty good IMO...the 20 weekers were not worth the time IMO the high was not "Crazy or elecrtic " any more so than the 10-15 weekers. ibought mine in 2010 i heard there was some change at mr nice so IDK...
i just took what i got man . i hear there are TONS of 13 week from seed 10week from cutting phenos...lol

That critical haze x Neville haze is growing so fast! Nearly double the height of other 2 crosses. Its 6' and doesnt look to be slowing down yet. Didnt know you ran that delahaze. my buddy over here crossed blue dream into delahaze and thats his favorite strain. Smells real hazy , clear day time high not overly potent.

cbtbudz said:

That critical haze x Neville haze is growing so fast! Nearly double the height of other 2 crosses. Its 6' and doesnt look to be slowing down yet. Didnt know you ran that delahaze. my buddy over here crossed blue dream into delahaze and thats his favorite strain. Smells real hazy , clear day time high not overly potent.

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not overly potent ... lol.... might pop 2 more beans of that ...

Joedank said:

mr nice description of nev haze says nothing about 14-20 weeks :
A tribute to the father of all modern seed companies, Neville Schoenmakers. There is something very special about this 3/4 sativa that those in the know will recognize once they smell the end product. It can be difficult to know what to base your selective reasoning on, but the plants that go longer than 16 weeks indoor will really not be of value in the end to indoor cultivators. A tip for those who do find a long flowering plant they wish to keep...clones usually finish 2-3 weeks quicker than the seed mother plant and therefore will give the grower a possibility to finish something that normally needs the tropics to grow in. The full flavor is sativa all the way so for you Indica lovers this plant will not be for you! It was made by combining a pure Haze to a NL5/Haze, thus creating probably one of the most influential plants of our time, certainly for flavor, aroma and effect. It is a must if you are within 10' of the equator for outdoor cultivation, but indoor would be recommended in other regions.All seed companies owe the ground work and origin of modern cultivars to Nevil . Like the man himself...the legend grows!""
i said resonable amt of time 13 weeks was fine and pretty good IMO...
i just took what i got man . i hear there are TONS of 13 week from seed 10week from cutting phenos...lol

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i wouldn't bother too much with the descriptions lol, you can check the MNS forum out though there are a few grows there in the strain section

i am not trying to fight with you, hope its not coming over that way, i know how unpredictable haze crosses can be
so i do not doubt your 10 week finisher, you could grow SSH and get a range of finish times from 8-12 weeks
when i have grown hazes myself i find i like the ones that finish sooner, they tend to be "less haze" thats why they finish sooner

so what i was trying to put across is , your plant is "less haze" that is why it finishes sooner
looking for an early finisher i would not choose NH myself
i have grown 25% haze crosses that become huge so i would expect NH to show many huge phenos
if i found a 10 week finisher in NH i would feel lucky , but that is because i like the early ones too
some haze fanatic would not consider a 10 week NH finisher that old authentic haze from the 70s that they all harp on about over at MNS

peace

Joedank said:

not overly potent ... lol.... might pop 2 more beans of that ...

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Ha he says its way to strong for him. I haven't grown it just tried his. But he is indoor heavy16 lover. And not a great fan of what he ends up with. I tried to get him to do a soil grow of it. Stuck in his ways.

skunkd0c said:

i wouldn't bother too much with the descriptions lol, you can check the MNS forum out though there are a few grows there in the strain section

i am not trying to fight with you, hope its not coming over that way, i know how unpredictable haze crosses can be
so i do not doubt your 10 week finisher, you could grow SSH and get a range of finish times from 8-12 weeks
when i have grown hazes myself i find i like the ones that finish sooner, they tend to be "less haze" thats why they finish sooner

so what i was trying to put across is , your plant is "less haze" that is why it finishes sooner
looking for an early finisher i would not choose NH myself
i have grown 25% haze crosses that become huge so i would expect NH to show many huge phenos
if i found a 10 week finisher in NH i would feel lucky , but that is because i like the early ones too
some haze fanatic would not consider a 10 week NH finisher that old authentic haze from the 70s that they all harp on about over at MNS

peace

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oh i am only 33 and i think the "ld timers" bragging about yesteryear are full of shit ...
haze x nl#5 (ft collins cough ) was my fav smoke so i am just playing with the high an flavor . heading to f10 ....i dont belive that the org. haze went as long as folks say , in a greenhouse if it smellls winter it finishes up QUICK FAST .
the frankensence pheno has been popping up in the shorter phenos too . but nooone at MNS would say that ....
MNS also has some of the best and most vauge discriptions , i post there time to time shanti is awsome in my book ...no not argueing just saying if the genetics are in there its haze as much as a 150 day one .

cbtbudz said:

Ha he says its way to strong for him. I haven't grown it just tried his. But he is indoor heavy16 lover. And not a great fan of what he ends up with. I tried to get him to do a soil grow of it. Stuck in his ways.

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i grew a delahaze cutting from a dispo here and got males with seeds so far ...
the cut was Pretty nice !
i dont mind the salty nutes so much if you keep the PPM's low

Joedank said:

f10

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Did you ever consider "early haze" those guys went through a fair selection process to produce an early haze cross

i still find it mildly amusing/ilogical that you chose the longest flowering cross MNS produce to find an "early" haze pheno
what you got if it finishes in 10 weeks is a NL5 pheno with a little hint of haze

using your logic i should grow "shit" the fastest MNS cross, 6-8 weeks to search for a 12 week skunk pheno ?

anyway each to their own, i think those old timers talk shit too, but i am a little older myself i am 41 so i obviously did not smoke weed in the 1970s either
they are always harping on about the "new leather" smelling pheno and how it has vanished since the 70s 80s

peace

skunkd0c said:

Did you ever consider "early haze" those guys went through a fair selection process to produce an early haze cross

i still find it mildly amusing/ilogical that you chose the longest flowering cross MNS produce to find an "early" haze pheno
what you got if it finishes in 10 weeks is a NL5 pheno with a little hint of haze

using your logic i should grow "shit" the fastest MNS cross, 6-8 weeks to search for a 12 week skunk pheno ?

anyway each to their own, i think those old timers talk shit too, but i am a little older myself i am 41 so i obviously did not smoke weed in the 1970s either
they are always harping on about the "new leather" smelling pheno and how it has vanished since the 70s 80s

peace

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i live at 7200 ft in the rockies . lol. yet i wanted a fair rep of haze .... i got it , also some rare leather phenos i guess from the bx2 ... yup i waded thru some crazies to find one that suits me to a "T" .... super up high big trichs tons of NL in the structure thank god not super nute sensitive . there is debate weather it is a real "haze bros haze " so if i wanted that i would go TOM HILL'S HAZE as i said before ...
i was told by growers i respect the fastest haze with real haze taste is nev's . they were spot on . look at the pics in some of those threads WEAK grows ...lol

skunkd0c said:

Did you ever consider "early haze" those guys went through a fair selection process to produce an early haze cross

i still find it mildly amusing/ilogical that you chose the longest flowering cross MNS produce to find an "early" haze pheno
what you got if it finishes in 10 weeks is a NL5 pheno with a little hint of haze

using your logic i should grow "shit" the fastest MNS cross, 6-8 weeks to search for a 12 week skunk pheno ?

anyway each to their own, i think those old timers talk shit too, but i am a little older myself i am 41 so i obviously did not smoke weed in the 1970s either
they are always harping on about the "new leather" smelling pheno and how it has vanished since the 70s 80s

peace

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^Skunk dick^

Beemoo said:

^Skunk dick^

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lol i find it funny he makes me defend using shanti's advice and going with a quicker hardier pheno @13weeks from seed . than a more jungly cloumbian pheno @17-19weeks . why not just grow columbian jugle weed? one calax per inch of weed. lolz

Joedank said:

lol i find it funny he makes me defend using shanti's advice and going with a quicker hardier pheno @13weeks from seed . than a more jungly cloumbian pheno @17-19weeks . why not just grow columbian jugle weed? one calax per inch of weed. lolz

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You're talking to sockpuppets pal


Perhaps you are right, although i am not confident in your judgment since you are talking with sockpuppets created today

ill ask those guys over there what they think are the chances of finding 10 week phenos from 20 NH seeds

peace

skunkd0c said:

You're talking to sockpuppets pal
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Perhaps you are right, although i am not confident in your judgment since you are talking with sockpuppets created today

ill ask those guys over there what they think are the chances of finding 10 week phenos from 20 NH seeds

peace

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yea tell bigherb what up and jesse to come down to our level once and awhile lolz

Durban x nev haze

Neville's Haze

Shantibaba and Neville decided to make a new more Haze dominant hybrid and crossed the Haze C male to a selected NL5 x Haze female, this was sold by GHS as Neville's Haze, it was a cup winner in 1998, the year it was released. Neville's Haze is the most Haze dominant hybrid that will perform indoors, under lights and having both the A and C males in it's lineage, it contains phenotypes that express both the Colombian and Thai sides of the Haze genetics. Here is the original description from the GHS catalogue:


Pedigree: Almost pure Haze with just a hint of Indica (Northern Lights).
Awards: Never entered in any competition.
Strength: The most potent variety of its kind on or off the market. Not recommended for inexperienced smokers - too trippy - too profound.
Flowering Times: Indoors: should be started under 12 hours of lights. The earliest will finish in 14 weeks (25%). Those that take much longer than this are usually discarded as not practical.
Outdoors: should be grown in the Tropics + started just before the on set of autumn. Yields are surprisingly good - the longer flowering time is usually compensated with extra large yields, both in and outdoors. Not for the novice smoker or grower.
Specifications: ~ Flower: 14 + weeks ~ Price: $175.00 (10 seeds) ~ Code: nh

its quite possible they put more indica in the mix these days, this is the original description
if 10 week phenos in NH are common i say that's good news, but SSH is sill most likely a better chance

Joedank said:

yea tell bigherb what up and jesse to come down to our level once and awhile lolz

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its a ghost town over there after all the squabbling many of them left or just lurk lol