What to do, extremely slow growth and could be dead

Hey everyone

I planted Five-O seeds about three weeks ago and these babies are tiny! My first problem I thought was they were not close enought to the CFL bulbs ,but didn't really help. Then, I added more lights, and still didn't help. Now I figured I was overwatering so I would let the babies start going downwards before I watered again. Last night I added water and this is what I woke up to.
Please help guys im not really experienced and help is greatly appreciated.
P.S my buddie basically started his the same time and is probably 3x bigger than mine . The only difference in our setup is the seed and he started his in a solo cup where my pot is quit bigger. Would that matter?
Sorry the pics are sideways.

Looks over watered to me.

what kind of soil are you using it could be burned from too much nutrients in the soil

Im using foxfarm, and watering probably every four to five days

dougmann13 said:

Im using foxfarm, and watering probably every four to five days

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These little seedlings don't drink much water at this moment. New growers often confuse droopy leaves with thirsty leaves though too much water will also produce droopy sad leaves. If the leaves are droopy due to over watering and the grower adds more water then leaves start crumbling and dieing from bottom up since your effectively drowning them. I water when the first two inches or so are bone dry and with young plants it can be a week or two before I water since they simply don't drink as fast as a full grown flowering plant. If your properly watering then check your temps, drainage, or maybe soil is too compact which I doubt with FF.

What is the pH of the water you're using? What is the pH of your run off? Something is really fucking up those plants... My Five-O was nice and bushy in that amount of time. And no, planting in a big pot shouldn't be a problem, it's just a little harder to gauge how much to water. I started all of my seedlings in 2 gallon pots and haven't had a problem. But, IMO, the only thing that could be fucking these plants up is the water.

This is why I start my stuff out in small containers and go up from there. Helps keep me from over watering and causing myself Headaches. Works best for my grow habits. Plus, I believe the plant spends less time trying to fill a big pot with roots 1st. Don't have to nute as much. Because, there is enough nutes in the new soil when I transplant. Again avoiding another problem, over nuteing. But, that just might be me..LOL

agree with this ph could be a major factor... check ph of whats going in and run off... also if your soil already as nutrients... don't add any for up too 3 weeks

OK, really appreciate the help guys! I don't have a PH gauge at the moment but I will invest in one shortly. What are the readings usual for the water and run-off?

wdk420 said:

These little seedlings don't drink much water at this moment. New growers often confuse droopy leaves with thirsty leaves though too much water will also produce droopy sad leaves. If the leaves are droopy due to over watering and the grower adds more water then leaves start crumbling and dieing from bottom up since your effectively drowning them. I water when the first two inches or so are bone dry and with young plants it can be a week or two before I water since they simply don't drink as fast as a full grown flowering plant. If your properly watering then check your temps, drainage, or maybe soil is too compact which I doubt with FF.

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That is exactly right.

Secondly start your seedlings in smaller containers. Trying to propagate any seedlings in pots that are too big will cause them to sit in moisture for too long as the roots are unable to use up the moisture in a pot that size in any reasonable amount of time.

Soggy roots are fine during photosynthesis, but during respiration, which usually happens most at nightime, roots cease uptaking moisture and instead uptake oxygen. If the soil is still soggy because of either over watering or the pot size is just too big for the plant to use up the moisture sufficiently enough, then oxygen is not uptaken during this respiration process.

Plants use oxygen to break down carbohydrates into three things, 1) energy, 2) c02 which is released out of leave stomatas and 3) water, which is also released out of the leaf stomatas during respiration.

If there is no oxygen available for roots to uptake during respiration, then plants continue to try and break the carbohydrates down, but instead of releasing c02 and h20, alcohol is created instead, which leads to leaf necrosis, and if not addressed leads to plant death....which is EXACTLY what we are looking at here sorry.