Whats an F-1 Hybrid?

I never really knew exactly what one was. i tried looking it up but the only info i got was all sciency and technical.

also.

Whats an F-2 hybrid? i came across a thread a couple weeks back talking about these.

F1 hybrid is the first generation of the breeding. So the first seeds after breeding. f2 is when they are bred again.

Ah, shit... this takes me back to biology class, haha.

Ok how about clones.
When you clone a plant, then take a clone that plant you have a F-2 hybrid clone right?

But there was no breeding. No mixing of genetics that resulted in a new mix.
Can someone explain that to me? I didnt take biology.

so are f-1 hybrids good or bad?

CreepyStevie69 said:

so are f-1 hybrids good or bad?

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They are unknowns. If you've bred say white widow with a purple strain, some of the seeds produced would be all white widow, some would be all purp, and some would combine the charactoristics of both strains. Among these, you would see difference in charactoristics.... big buds, small ieaves, etc.. These are called phenotypes. When you find one you especially like, you clone it, and stress the clones to procuce hermaphrodites, and thus seeds. THESE seeds would be called F2's and would be mostly the same as the F1 plant.

Sorry... I'm stoned and tend to ramble....

Good post!

Busmike said:

They are unknowns. If you've bred say white widow with a purple strain, some of the seeds produced would be all white widow, some would be all purp, and some would combine the charactoristics of both strains. Among these, you would see difference in charactoristics.... big buds, small ieaves, etc.. These are called phenotypes. When you find one you especially like, you clone it, and stress the clones to procuce hermaphrodites, and thus seeds. THESE seeds would be called F2's and would be mostly the same as the F1 plant.

Sorry... I'm stoned and tend to ramble....

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no actually that was very informative. thank you. +rep to you sir

Start with two stable parents, P1 and P2. Breed them together and the seeds are F1s. Grow out the F1 seeds and breed them and the resulting seeds are F2s.

CreepyStevie69 said:

so are f-1 hybrids good or bad?

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F1s are stable. F2s are unstable, which means you start to see recessive traits coming out which were not apparent in the F1s. F1s also demonstrate hybrid vigor.

Sorry if that's all too sciencey.

cruzer101 said:

Ok how about clones.
When you clone a plant, then take a clone that plant you have a F-2 hybrid clone right?

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No, that's completely wrong. A clone of an F1 is an F1.

Busmike said:

They are unknowns. If you've bred say white widow with a purple strain, some of the seeds produced would be all white widow, some would be all purp, and some would combine the charactoristics of both strains. Among these, you would see difference in charactoristics.... big buds, small ieaves, etc.. These are called phenotypes. When you find one you especially like, you clone it, and stress the clones to procuce hermaphrodites, and thus seeds. THESE seeds would be called F2's and would be mostly the same as the F1 plant.

Sorry... I'm stoned and tend to ramble....

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Sorry, I can't think of a polite way to say this, but this is mostly garbage.

Actually, "mostly" is my attempt at being polite.

F1 hybrids are good because they grow bigger and better. Its called hybrid vigor.

so according to that .. you have a 50% chance of getting the wrong shit with F2s

420weedman said:

so according to that .. you have a 50% chance of getting the wrong shit with F2s

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what do you mean wrong shit? there's a 50% chance it will take on the hybrid, some chance it will take on the dominant traits, and some chance it will take on the recessive traits. someone correct me if I'm wrong...

.. it will become either the mother or the father
a combination of the two would be Aa or aA (the shit u want)
aa and AA are the origional plants ..
according to that pic ..

fdd2blk said:

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Pictures are worth a thousand words....thanks!!!

so how many generations of sibling interbreeding untill you have fixed traits and then does that make it a pure strain i.e:land race.can you fix a trait by breeding 2 f2s with the traits your looking for,so f2s suck but f3s are good? someone explain with out showing me a diagram

theman139 said:

so how many generations of sibling interbreeding untill you have fixed traits and then does that make it a pure strain i.e:land race.can you fix a trait by breeding 2 f2s with the traits your looking for,so f2s suck but f3s are good? someone explain with out showing me a diagram

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did you see the above diagram ?? F1s are stable
i believe breeding 2 F2s would make it even harder

fdd2blk said:

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This describes incomplete dominance, where a particular trait of two parents appears in a blended form in the offspring (eg, red + white = pink).

Some (most?) traits are the expression of genes which exhibit complete dominance, for example, eye color in humans. If your dad has blue eyes and your mom has brown eyes, you don't end up with eyes of some intermediate color between brown and blue do you? You either get your dad's eyes or your mom's eyes (or sometimes maybe your crazy aunt Mabel's green eyes--more about that in a minute).

If I remember correctly, brown is dominant over blue. That means that you will only have blue eyes if you get the blue eyed gene from both your mom and your dad. If you get the brown eyed gene from your mom and the blue eyed gene from your dad, you will end up with brown eyes (because brown is dominant over blue). If you get the brown eyed gene from both your mom and your dad, then obviously you're going to have brown eyes.

Now there might be some bright spark out there who's thinking "Well, my mom and dad both have brown eyes, but my eyes are blue. What about that, o wise one?" That's not a problem. Remember we have two complete sets of genes, one from each parent. Now dad might have got a brown eye gene from his dad and a blue eyed gene from his mom. Same with mom, she got a brown eye gene from her dad and a blue eyed gene from her mom. Mom and dad both have brown eyes because the brown eyed gene is dominant over the blue eyed gene, but they might each have passed along the blue eyed gene to you, giving you blue eyes. The genes that are expressed as traits in the parents are not necessarily the genes that are passed on to the next generation.

And yeah, most of the time when I said gene I probably meant allele, but I'm trying not to make this explanation any more confusing than it absolutely has to be.

I've wondered this for a while! Excent post!