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Kickflipfrontblunt

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image.jpg These are my two auto fem blueberry girls... Their the same age but why is one 17 inch tall and the other 5 inches ... I don't understand I did everything the same for both of them conditions are identical for both and regular light with 18/6 400 watt MH and around 80-85 during the day then 70-75 at night time
 

bf80255

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View attachment 3456254 These are my two auto fem blueberry girls... Their the same age but why is one 17 inch tall and the other 5 inches ... I don't understand I did everything the same for both of them conditions are identical for both and regular light with 18/6 400 watt MH and around 80-85 during the day then 70-75 at night time
just a difference in phenotypic expression... aka "the way they look" caused by a lack of stabilization on your seeds. (breeders fault not yours)

in a population of plants that still show (in this case) high degrees of variation you can get big giant single cola monsters all the way down to little dwarf bushes.

height is polygenic so it takes many many generations of stabilization to get consistently uniform plants in regards to height.

Polygenic Traits and Environmental Influences
Another exception to Mendel’s rules is polygenic inheritance, which is when a trait is controlled by more than one gene. Often these traits are in fact controlled by many genes on many chromosomes. Each dominant allele has an additive effect, so the resulting offspring can have a variety of genotypes, from no dominant alleles to several dominant alleles. In humans, some examples of polygenic traits are height and skin color. People are neither short nor tall, as was seen with the pea plants studied by Mendel, which has only one gene that encodes for height. Instead, people have a range of heights determined by many genes. Similarly, people have a wide range of skin colors. Polygenic inheritance often results in a bell shaped curve when you analyze the population . That means that most people are intermediate in the phenotype, such as average height, while very few people are at the extremes, such as very tall or very short.

http://moodleshare.org/mod/book/view.php?id=2138&chapterid=300
 

bf80255

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View attachment 3456254 These are my two auto fem blueberry girls... Their the same age but why is one 17 inch tall and the other 5 inches ... I don't understand I did everything the same for both of them conditions are identical for both and regular light with 18/6 400 watt MH and around 80-85 during the day then 70-75 at night time
that is the MOST likely explanation, it could just be grower error, maybe your not experienced enough to realize when 1 plant has different nutritional requirements, light sensitivity, resistance to root rot, etc etc.

but since you claim to have treated them exactly he same( i have no way of knowing) ill go with answer number 1
 

Iamlegend2121

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just a difference in phenotypic expression... aka "the way they look" caused by a lack of stabilization on your seeds. (breeders fault not yours)
You know way to much lol where did you learn everything on breeding I have a lot of reading to catch up on
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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Yeah my buddy told me today about that ... Said that since it's an autofem it's gene pool is likely to be inconsistent with each plant like you said...well Mendel lol... So I'm pretty sure that's what it is; also considering that only 3 out of 10 actually germed im not surprised about the height variations but I sent he others back and replacements are on the way
that is the MOST likely explanation, it could just be grower error, maybe your not experienced enough to realize when 1 plant has different nutritional requirements, light sensitivity, resistance to root rot, etc etc.

but since you claim to have treated them exactly he same( i have no way of knowing) ill go with answer number 1
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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image.jpg
that is the MOST likely explanation, it could just be grower error, maybe your not experienced enough to realize when 1 plant has different nutritional requirements, light sensitivity, resistance to root rot, etc etc.

but since you claim to have treated them exactly he same( i have no way of knowing) ill go with answer number 1
I had to make this meme after I found out what it was
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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You should be proud my friend, keep it up
Thanks homie ... It's funny because even though the two girls are about 10in in difference of hight ... The sexual maturity is still the same ... So the little one looks like a half assed decorated Christmas tree that some college student has in their dorm room and the tall one is like the Christmas tree in rockafella plaza .... But like I said the sexual maturity is the same so There are a lot of hairs on the little one its just gonna be like a big ass nug growing outbid the ground lol
 

bf80255

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You know way to much lol where did you learn everything on breeding I have a lot of reading to catch up on
lol NOT ENOUGH!

I started with canni specific books like the grow bible then the breeders bible then extensive independent research on genetics and the greatest breeders in history then I became a breeder (still teaches me shit daily) and now Im going back to school to get my Biochem degree ;)

never think you know "everything" breeding is unimaginably complex and will teach you something daily, if your looking

I know that I know nothing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing
 

bf80255

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Yeah my buddy told me today about that ... Said that since it's an autofem it's gene pool is likely to be inconsistent with each plant like you said...well Mendel lol... So I'm pretty sure that's what it is; also considering that only 3 out of 10 actually germed im not surprised about the height variations but I sent he others back and replacements are on the way
what method di u use to germ them?

big girl looks really nice btw :)
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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what method di u use to germ them?

big girl looks really nice btw :)
Thanks man appreciated ... I used the Pete moss cups and put the seed in that and just took the whole thing and planted so I didn't haven't to handle them too much after they germed ... I did a little reseach before I bought autofems and I got the idea that they don't like to be moved much so I went that route ... And that big girl has been in veg for 4 months now lol I'm just waiting for the autos to catch up so I can switch over to HPS... But she'a holding up ... Pretty sure she's an afghan broad leaf ... Very hearty plant she snapped in half and was unrepairable so I just left it and she bushed out
 

bf80255

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Thanks man appreciated ... I used the Pete moss cups and put the seed in that and just took the whole thing and planted so I didn't haven't to handle them too much after they germed ... I did a little reseach before I bought autofems and I got the idea that they don't like to be moved much so I went that route ... And that big girl has been in veg for 4 months now lol I'm just waiting for the autos to catch up so I can switch over to HPS... But she'a holding up ... Pretty sure she's an afghan broad leaf ... Very hearty plant she snapped in half and was unrepairable so I just left it and she bushed out
Nice, glad to see people doing research before jumping in head first, thats a decent germ method imo

4 months?? should be an excellent yield.
are you going to finish out the smaller auto as well?
 

Kickflipfrontblunt

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Yes ... I want to finish the autos under HPS but I'm going with MH 18/6 up till the last week then I'll switch lights over wait the week out harvest the autos and just keep 12/12 on big mama until she's done ... She is actually my first real grow that I put time effort money and patience into and it paid off... she just loves to grow... I'll keep you updated with photos on the afghan ... I have a feeling she's gonna turn out to be a monster once she gets some of that orange spectrum
Nice, glad to see people doing research before jumping in head first, thats a decent germ method imo

4 months?? should be an excellent yield.
are you going to finish out the smaller auto as well?
 

black jesus

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Dry them hoes out. Trust me if allow the soil to dry you will see a crazy growth. Try to water once a week. Know the weight and check from the bottom...

As far as the seeds. I would pick up a a heating mat....that's the only way I germ my seeds
 
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