Whats happening to my plants? - WITH PICS

So unknown how's your garden, you said it stopped dead in its tracks what was the problem? And like you asked above, if its a ph issue and you flush how soon will to see improvement and when can you start feeding. Well if it was for sure a ph issue you can start feeding just about anytime, as long as it wasn't caused from to much nutes its fine start when you would like, as for how fast you will see improvement you will amazed at how fast, ph is everything!! To our plants that's why I don't cut corners when it comes to ph. Glad everything is great and on track!!

keep it real. said:

So unknown how's your garden, you said it stopped dead in its tracks what was the problem? And like you asked above, if its a ph issue and you flush how soon will to see improvement and when can you start feeding. Well if it was for sure a ph issue you can start feeding just about anytime, as long as it wasn't caused from to much nutes its fine start when you would like, as for how fast you will see improvement you will amazed at how fast, ph is everything!! To our plants that's why I don't cut corners when it comes to ph. Glad everything is great and on track!!

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Keepitreal, Thanks man, I owe ya!

The girls look good, very good. They are showing great signs of recovery- nice color green is coming back, over all plants are more perky. There are many leaves that are just damaged beyond repair but I can see clearly on each leaf where the damage was headed and where it has now stopped and is no longer eating away each leaf. The plants will look eh for their duration but the great news is that the damage never made it to the flowers so I'm happy I took your advice and checked PH. Honestly, I never gave PH too much thought.. lol thought it could never happen to me.... Now I'll check it constantly!

I believe the issue was PH related as after I performed the initial flush the soil was testing at a 7.0-7.5 (using a color chart). I started seeing improvement after the initial flush. I performed another flush 2 days ago with PH'd tap water at 6.0-6.5 and have seen even more of an improvement. I am attributing issues to PH and not nutrients for the following factors: Plants went 2 months in veg and 3 weeks into flower with no added nutrients AND my tap water PH is 8.0+ by default, so as you stated, over time (2 months) my soil PH would certainly rise and become toxic. Plants were fed only water and whatever nutrients came in the soil- as I said soil was Fox Farm Happy Frog so there was a nice balance of nutrients in that soil. *** Now with that said, some of my symptoms did not fit exactly with PH, for these symptoms I am thinking perhaps the start of a nutrient deficiency. Keep in mind I did perform two feedings prior to the PH issue taking off- might explain the nice recovery I'm seeing.

In any event everything is looking good, thanks again for the assistance!

zack66 said:

I have to disagree with you on that one. If your soils good it will adjust the water anyway. I'm all set with feeding my plants acid to lower ph when in 2 hours it will be right back to where it was originally.

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Well, I am using General Organics GO BOX nutrients and I just PH'd the mix and its RED, very basic, my meter starts at 4.0, it was much lower, took 100+ drops of ph up to get it near 5.5/6

unknown1231 said:

Well, I am using General Organics GO BOX nutrients and I just PH'd the mix and its RED, very basic, my meter starts at 4.0, it was much lower, took 100+ drops of ph up to get it near 5.5/6

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100 drops of ph up? Wow man you better rethink what your doing. GO BOX you don't need to adjust ph according to them. But, if your medium sucks and your water I would rethink the ph adjustments. There are other healthier alternatives to raising ph. Rather then 100 drops of anything. Do some reading. I believe boiled eggshells will boost ph. Good luck with that!

zack66 said:

According to General Organics no need to ph your water. I grow in soil and my water runs 8.0 or higher. I use GO and never ph water. No problems and this is my fifth run with the GO line.

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i used to believe the same.I just started ph'ing after years.I am in amazement.My tap is 8.0.Now I go to 6.0 ish,give or take.It made a HUGE diff for me

slowbus said:

i used to believe the same.I just started ph'ing after years.I am in amazement.My tap is 8.0.Now I go to 6.0 ish,give or take.It made a HUGE diff for me

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Agreed. Its been a few more days and all new growth looks amazing. I will always PH my water, nutrients, and periodically the soil to ensure PH is where it needs to be.

Well, I don't know why RIU stripped the images from this post but figured I would give everyone an update.

I think its important to update you all as I'm still battling the issue and have been wracking my brain on it.

I had this exact same issue last grow as well. Everything was smooth up until flower where the issue becomes evident 2-3 weeks into bloom.

SYMPTOMS:

Beginning: Spots on leaves, turning rust colored over time. Light yellowing of leaves, looks like a nutrient deficiency.

Mid: More spots, tips of leaves turning the brown/rust color, looks like beginning stages of nutrient burn.

End: Total death of leaves or 1/2 death slowly creeping up to the stem of the leaves. Lots of yellow, definitely looks like too many nutrients and/or major PH imbalance

So I started to analyze the two grows, what was different, what was the same?

GROW1:

Eastern US location
Tap Water
Miracle Grow Organic Soil
General Hydroponics nutrients (introduced probably a bit too late, upon signs of what appeared to be a nutrient deficiency)
Transplant (after 2 month veg, directly prior to harvest, from small "bio degradable" pots to 3 gallon plastic bag pots) Height at transplant approx 18"

GROW 2:

Western US located
Tap Water
Fox Farm Happy Frog Soil
General Hydroponics nutrients (introduced probably a bit too late, upon signs of what appeared to be a nutrient deficiency)
Transplant (after 2 month veg, 2 weeks into flower (so I could sex them prior to transplant) , from small 4 inch pots to 1sq foot pots (3/4gal?) Height at transplant approx 22"

As you can see, a couple things stayed the same and a couple things changed.

I really thought hard on this and then it hit me.

When I transplanted the first time, I used these crappy bio degradable pots because they were cheap, and I do recall these pots really not degrading too well and the roots hard a really tough time penetrating them.

When I transplanted the second time the root ball and soil fell out of the pot nice and easy and the roots were definitely growing in on each other. I transplanted and did nothing to loosen the root ball up.

I believe, both of my grows, with these weird issues, were a result of the plants being root bound.

Check out this link below, go backward a couple posts to see pics of his fading girl due to being root bound. I've had all of the exact same symptoms. Rapid leaf death at which point bud growth becomes stunted. Such a sad thing:

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/77285-first-grow-guidance-400w-mh-600w-hps-soil-10.html

So what do you guys think? Does this sound about right?