Whats Natural About ph

growinhound

Member
hey every one im using 600w hps and growing white widow and critical mass. trying to do as much organic as money lets me ,still building supplies. and being as organic as possible.i would like to know how to ph up or down with natural stuff? i know in organic ph is not much of an issue. i have ph ec probe from last time growing. had probs last grow lockout and the like. would still like to check ph on sea bird and bat guano water.i use dolomite in my soil. ffof 2x 2 x 8 grow space 4 plants . hope there is an answer thanks riu folks.:wall:
 

Nullis

Moderator
Earth Juice sells natural Up & Down, never had to use it though. Dolomite lime raises pH and should keep it stable. For most people this works well along with having a healthy soil, and they don't need any kind of pH down. A notable exception is if you live on the west coast or somewhere else where your water has a pH much higher than 7. If that is the case you could always filter your water

Peruvian Seabird guano also has a high pH and helps balance out other acidic nutrients.
 

growinhound

Member
thanks nullis. i didnt know that about sbg. was 2 tblsp dolmite lime per 3 gallon pot enuff? mixed in some happy frog 2-8-4 and 2 tblsp and some plantone 6-4-4 1tblsp. i got some alaska 5-1-1 liquid got any ideas how much or how often to use.i thought about that like 2-3 wkd before finish to slow down the yellow phase a lil. but dont know what that fish fert is about yet .+ rep nullis thanks
 

Wetdog

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thanks nullis. i didnt know that about sbg. was 2 tblsp dolmite lime per 3 gallon pot enuff? mixed in some happy frog 2-8-4 and 2 tblsp and some plantone 6-4-4 1tblsp. i got some alaska 5-1-1 liquid got any ideas how much or how often to use.i thought about that like 2-3 wkd before finish to slow down the yellow phase a lil. but dont know what that fish fert is about yet .+ rep nullis thanks
"I" use 2tbl/gallon of mix, or 1cup/CuFt of mix of the dolomite lime. So, that would be 6tbl for your 3 gal pot. One application is usually enough if you use enough. You might be a bit light.

Wet
 

growinhound

Member
great advice wet +rep to you. i thought that it might not be enough dolomite. i recently got a (mykos) product.i didnt have a chance to use in bottom of my transplant. so i made a trench in soil and bury a tbspn. i a circle around the plants hope this will get down there. i bubbling up some ewc, molasses, 1/2 tsp alaska 5-1-1 , 1 gallon good water. now with that bubbled up and nice froth on top,does this (tea) get diluted, and how much? null and wet ive been reading riu for well over 1 and 1/2 yrs. read LOTS of posts and u guys name i have seen MUTIPLE times and advice seems very well known. "I" must say thank you "THANK YOU" so when i run across your names in the future, i will know its not BS,like i see else where.
 

growinhound

Member
:dunce:someone just told me how to rep you guys.picked up my spirits a little from good advice and learnin how to rep the ones that deserve it.cool. as this thread mentions ph . to check my soil with my meter (two probe cheapy) i use distilled water to wet the soil ,just moist and bury the meter . the medium should b wet when i check the ph right?:?::peace: are there better ways to check ph. im probably overly worried about the ph. any advice is helpful thanks.:wall:
 

Nullis

Moderator
Soil pH is really the soil solution or soil 'water' pH, yes, but I never had much luck with those cheap probes anyway. There are horticultural testing drops for checking the pH of solutions and also soil testing kits that use a dry reagent in a capsule. I wouldn't put too much trust in a cheap probe; maybe it tells you your pH is off when it is actually fine, or maybe it says it is high when it is actually low... either way there is that potential for needless worry, and the possibility you'll try to fix something that isn't broken.

A lot of people collect run-off to test, and I do this occasionally as well just to make note of. Not really too concerned about the pH of what is going in, but with teas I find that they always seems to end up between 5-7 after brewing anyways. If I collect run-off and use horticultural test drops on it the result is typically yellow or greenish-yellow, which corresponds to 6-6.7 and that is fine. Due to the nature of soil (which acts as a filter) I can't be so sure that is my actual soil pH but it should be close enough. If I tested some run-off and the result was orange or something (for my drops that is about 5) then I would water in a couple tablespoons per gallon of water.

Because you seem to be new at this, go ahead and test the run-off and/or your fertigation solutions for peace of mind. Get a testing kit with the capsules (more accurate) and check a sample of soil every other week or so if you wish, again for peace of mind. Keep a log of what goes in, what comes out and how the plants look, etc. if you wish. Then for your next grow you can decide for yourself how frequently you should be doing it or if all that is a complete waste of time.

I was trying not to make this so verbose but...fail.

But, rest assured that there are plenty of soil growers who allow themselves to remain blissfully ignorant of their exact soil pH. In living organics there are a bunch of good things happening in the soil that lead to nutrient acquisition even in less than perfect pH, particularly if you have a strong network of the mighty mycorrhizae (fungi) on/in your roots. Other soil biota are about as important, but there are too many of them to explain. Point is that much more goes on in soil than meets the eye, although if you look carefully you actually can see the ectomycorrhiza as a white fuzz (hyphae) which encompasses the roots and spreads out. The hyphae happen to be much better at colonizing a soil/medium for moisture and nutrients than plant roots are, so they acquire nutrients (phosphates in particular) for the plant in exchange for carbohydrates.

Bacteria (particularly aerobic bacteria) are also very important and they are present in high numbers. Certain bacteria can perform specialized tasks, like fix nitrogen from the atmosphere or decompose certain kinds of organic compounds, but because they tend to prefer alkaline environments most produce a bio-film in order to keep the pH up where they prefer it, in the rhizosphere. Simultaneously they can utilize H+ ions which will further reduce acidity. The point is that all of the life in the rhizosphere results in plant available nutrients, and a general balancing act.

And this is one of the big reasons why synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, pH Up, chlorinated water and even some things which are 'natural' are contra-indicated with organics; because they in some way, shape or form reduce biological activity or otherwise lessen the capacity for the soil to be as self sufficient as it should be.
 

growinhound

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lol at nullis. likie im going to use pee. do you know what i drank last nite, and then where i put my.......you know lol. gf loved it not so sure about the plants tho.every one has their methods.thank anyway .. nullis u know a lot it looks like as always. awesome nullis. is that your pet in your avatar
 

Wetdog

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I'll try and be a bit more concise. Throw that prong meter away!!!! They are worse than nothing because they are so inaccurate. Trying to correct a false pH just makes things much worse.

www.eseasongear.com has the best prices and selection. An ~$20 Milwaukee 600 will work for now. Upgrade when you can. Just make sure to get all the solutions and stuff. They work with all meters and are necessary, don't skimp with them.

Wet
 

growinhound

Member
i got a 1 gallon batch done brewing 2tblsp of the right molasses and 2 tblspn of ewc 1/2 tspn.alaska fis 5-1-1 should i dilute this mixture. i looked into that ph meter you were referring to . is that meter for soil testing. looks like a liquid tester.
 

Wetdog

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It should be ok as is, but diluting it 1-1 won't hurt.

Mo betta to see how the diluted works first. It's easy to add more, or make stronger. A real bitch to try and remove too much.

I do teas, but mostly eyeball everything. A couple handfuls of EWC, couple of alfalfa meal, small handful of kelp meal, a bit of molasses. I put this in a tea bag (Queen size trouser sock from the $ store), and bubble for a few days in a 5 gal bucket. Take 1/2 of it and dilute out between 3-4, 5 gallon buckets (Depends on how much needs watering). Fill the first bucket up with water, a bit more molasses and bubble for a few more days and do it again. The stuff from the sock gets put on the garden.

Wet
 

growinhound

Member
ok so the psg that i top dressed with should still b working its been 2 wks and is slow release if i remember correctly, now i would like to start using my hi phos bat guanos to finish up with. i will be brewing that nesxt. 1 or 2 tblsp,molasses and a bit of ewc, limited $$$ this should do it. i have the full line of FF nutes also. im just tinkering a little and will always ask a few tried and true rollit upers. lol. the plants i got now are in some really crappy DIRT. but growing some bud still.this 4th wk of flower in DIRT. already veggin my next batch1 1/2 wk old in FFOF, bought 5 bags,1 gal 2 gal pots.this is when ill use the ff nutes.after those are gone then its PURE ORGANICS.....i hope till i pick your brains a LOT. i cant rep you or nullis or i would. hope to talk with you oganic fellows again .sorry riu if i dont follow rules,i am learning.
 
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